NY Papers' AAR Update

[fred flintstone]

Most of the information in the New York newspaper radio columns has already been posted here.
Two new pieces of the puzzle were reported...

From the NY Daily News' David Hinckley:
Franken echoes Sergeant Schultz -- "I know nothing!"

Midday host Al Franken told Radar that while he didn't know about bankruptcy, "There have been cash-flow problems. I haven't been paid in a while - like, no cash is flowing to me."
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FTR: He said that about the Gloria Wise loan, too.

From the NY Post's John Mainelli (who is also a former WABC program director):

A high-level source told The Post that Rob Glaser, the Real Networks founder who rescued the 2-year-old network from its first financial crisis, "walked away last week" and took his moneybags with him.
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Mainelli put an usually heavy Maloneyesque spin on this column.

 

[Radio_Realist]

And another pointless redundant thread from the Bedrock of this forum!!!

 

[fred flintstone]

And another pointless redundant thread from the Bedrock of this forum!!!

Pointless? But you saw enough of a point to plagarize information from the original post.

 

[dampier]

Mainelli put an usually heavy Maloneyesque spin on this column.

That was hardly surprising considering you could redefine plagiarism by comparing a lot of his AAR stuff with Baloney's. They were Frick & Frack on the Gloria Wise issue, quoting each other in hopes of convincing people there was meat on that boney story.

 

[evnlee]

Mainelli put an usually heavy Maloneyesque spin on this column.

That was hardly surprising considering you could redefine plagiarism by comparing a lot of his AAR stuff with Baloney's. They were Frick & Frack on the Gloria Wise issue, quoting each other in hopes of convincing people there was meat on that boney story.

Please. Stop. If embezzeling thousands of $$$ from a Boys and Girls club isn't a 'meaty' story, your out of your mind. Limbaugh gets busted with Viagra, and that's a 7 course meal!! Gloria Wise was a big story, regardless of WHO the scam was going to benefit. Let's be honest, and not try to act like the Gloria Wise scandal wasn't a 'scandal' , it was just as much of one if not more then the Rush 'Dr. Shopping/Addiction' issue. Both illegal and wrong.

And, everybody 'cuts' and 'pastes' various info in here all the time. Half the people with a 'blog addy' at the end of thier posts do this a full time hobby. :

 

[FightingIrish]

Mainelli put an usually heavy Maloneyesque spin on this column.

That was hardly surprising considering you could redefine plagiarism by comparing a lot of his AAR stuff with Baloney's. They were Frick & Frack on the Gloria Wise issue, quoting each other in hopes of convincing people there was meat on that boney story.

Please. Stop. If embezzeling thousands of $$$ from a Boys and Girls club isn't a 'meaty' story, your out of your mind. Limbaugh gets busted with Viagra, and that's a 7 course meal!! Gloria Wise was a big story, regardless of WHO the scam was going to benefit. Let's be honest, and not try to act like the Gloria Wise scandal wasn't a 'scandal' , it was just as much of one if not more then the Rush 'Dr. Shopping/Addiction' issue. Both illegal and wrong.

And, everybody 'cuts' and 'pastes' various info in here all the time. Half the people with a 'blog addy' at the end of thier posts do this a full time hobby. :

I find it interesting that The Gloria Wise Club is probably the first inner-city non-profit organization that rightwingers really gave a rip about. Gee, I wonder why...

And the Gloria Wise thing was the doing of Evan Cohen, who was booted out of the AAR group in May 2004, after his financial worth was discovered to be suspect at best.

 

[fred flintstone]

I find it interesting that The Gloria Wise Club is probably the first inner-city non-profit organization that rightwingers really gave a rip about. Gee, I wonder why...

And the Gloria Wise thing was the doing of Evan Cohen, who was booted out of the AAR group in May 2004, after his financial worth was discovered to be suspect at best.

Yes, Mainelli managed to pull up this old chestnut, as well:

Air America's executive suite has been a hotbed of intrigue with a revolving door ever since the New York-based home of Al Franken and other lefties launched as an "antidote" to conservative talk radio in April 2004.

Franken called the first chairman, Evan Cohen, a "crook" after a promised $30 million infusion never materialized and a loan scandal involving a Bronx charity last summer.

 

[evnlee]

Gloria Wise was a big story, regardless of WHO the scam was going to benefit.

again, you got the NY attorney general investigating hundreds of thousands of $$$ in a shady transaction, it doesn't matter if it's Evan Cohen, or not. It's a 'meaty story' regardless, and if you say otherwise, you are clearly being dishonest.

And~ if someone in Rush' organization pulled the same crap, you'd be blogging your fingers to the bone, wearing out your keyboard. Everyone can clearly see the bias, there

 

[kaufcom]

And another pointless redundant thread from the Bedrock of this forum!!!

At least he makes some points. Not just lerks on sidelines, like you. waiting to offer meaningless and sarcastic comments on other people's posts.

 

[kaufcom]

From the NY Daily News' David Hinckley:
Franken echoes Sergeant Schultz -- "I know nothing!"

Midday host Al Franken told Radar that while he didn't know about bankruptcy, "There have been cash-flow problems. I haven't been paid in a while - like, no cash is flowing to me."
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FTR: He said that about the Gloria Wise loan, too.

What you didn't quote from Hinckley's article, which is carried in powerful New York Daily News, is the following incorrect statement.

Air America reportedly laid off several staffers this week, and there were reports it is behind on other cash obligations, including payment to Multicultural Broadcasting for time it leased on Chicago and Los Angeles stations.

If I recall, AAR's non-payment to Multicultural Broadcasting occured in April and May of 2004. It has nothing to do with the LibNet's current financial problems. Could Hinckley be that badly informed? What a boob.

 

[fred flintstone]

What you didn't quote from Hinckley's article, which is carried in powerful New York Daily News, is the following incorrect statement.

Air America reportedly laid off several staffers this week, and there were reports it is behind on other cash obligations, including payment to Multicultural Broadcasting for time it leased on Chicago and Los Angeles stations.

If I recall, AAR's non-payment to Multicultural Broadcasting occured in April and May of 2004. It has nothing to do with the LibNet's current financial problems. Could Hinckley be that badly informed? What a boob.

Wasn't there some settlement reached with Multicultural? Has it been satisfied (i.e., paid)?


I left out the Gloria Wise thing in Mainelli's column from my original post as well because - as some of you have pointed out - it's not really relevant to what's going on now.

What is relevant - and not related to politics - is AAR managements (plural) seem to have forgotten the basic principle of Income-Expenses=Profit/Loss. I hope one of the business schools puts together a case study of AAR; should be very interesting reading.

 

[kaufcom]

What you didn't quote from Hinckley's article, which is carried in powerful New York Daily News, is the following incorrect statement.

Air America reportedly laid off several staffers this week, and there were reports it is behind on other cash obligations, including payment to Multicultural Broadcasting for time it leased on Chicago and Los Angeles stations.

If I recall, AAR's non-payment to Multicultural Broadcasting occured in April and May of 2004. It has nothing to do with the LibNet's current financial problems. Could Hinckley be that badly informed? What a boob.

Wasn't there some settlement reached with Multicultural? Has it been satisfied (i.e., paid)?

My point was this is old news. It has nothing to do with AAR's current. Hinckley was obviously confused.

 

[dampier]

And another pointless redundant thread from the Bedrock of this forum!!!

Yaba-daba-spam. Yup... we've got at least a half dozen threads now open covering the exact same topic. The moderator here should start merging threads together to discourage this practice. Otherwise, I could start a topic an hour entitled:

1:00pm - AAR Still Not in Bankruptcy
2:00pm - AAR Still Not in Bankruptcy
...

 

[fred flintstone]

Yaba-daba-spam. Yup... we've got at least a half dozen threads now open covering the exact same topic. The moderator here should start merging threads together to discourage this practice. Otherwise, I could start a topic an hour entitled:

1:00pm - AAR Still Not in Bankruptcy
2:00pm - AAR Still Not in Bankruptcy
...

Speaking of SPAM, how many posts have you put up today bitching about multiple threads?

 

[dampier]

Please. Stop. If embezzeling thousands of $$$ from a Boys and Girls club isn't a 'meaty' story, your out of your mind. Limbaugh gets busted with Viagra, and that's a 7 course meal!! Gloria Wise was a big story, regardless of WHO the scam was going to benefit. Let's be honest, and not try to act like the Gloria Wise scandal wasn't a 'scandal' , it was just as much of one if not more then the Rush 'Dr. Shopping/Addiction' issue. Both illegal and wrong.

There was a LOAN from Gloria Wise to AAR, courtesy of former CEO Evan Cohen. That LOAN was technically the responsibility of Cohen. That LOAN was repaid in full by AAR because it was the right thing to do. There was no criminal investigation against anyone at AAR other than Cohen who was out after the first month.

Despite many efforts by the likes of Baloney to make it into the equivalent of the UN Oil for Food Scandal, when you actually fact checked his reporting, it completely fell apart. He is -still- to this day still talking about it, even though it was closed a year ago. And Baloney's thin ice depictions of Al Franken in Orthodox Jewish curls and religious attire as tons of cash fall from the sky comes mighty close to being an anti-Jewish slur.

The "meatiness" of this story was comparable to Calista Flockhart's dinner menu for a week when you cut through the Baloney and got to actual facts.

 

[dampier]

Speaking of SPAM, how many posts have you put up today bitching about multiple threads?

As many as it takes. At least I put mine in the topic. If you'd like I'll follow your lead and make it a new topic.

 

[fred flintstone]

Speaking of SPAM, how many posts have you put up today bitching about multiple threads?

As many as it takes. At least I put mine in the topic. If you'd like I'll follow your lead and make it a new topic.

I see. You are going to SPAM the board until you get your way. Is this blackmail or a tantrum?
You are not someone here from whom I would expect that kind of behavior.

 

[Radio_Realist]

"Speaking of SPAM, how many posts have you put up today bitching about multiple threads?"

I'm with Phil on that one. It's one thing to make repeated posts about something. When you launch a plethora of new threads, that takes things to a whole new level.

"You are not someone here from whom I would expect that kind of behavior."

You don't get it, do you? When you are in the wrong, having people tell you that you are in the wrong isn't "that kind of behavior". You are wrong. Accept it.

 

[fred flintstone]

Sorry, I don't operate under your paradigm of absolute right or wrong.
I don't see this as a moral or ethical issue.
And I don't accept you as the arbiter of right and wrong (we objectivists like to sort those things out for ourselves).

You and two others (that I have seen so far) have made your preferences known.

I will make a deal with you. I will refrain posting updates as new threads if you will refrain from posting shots (especially in posts which include little or nothing in the way of actual rebuttal to an earlier post or new information).

Let me know.

 

[evnlee]

Please. Stop. If embezzeling thousands of $$$ from a Boys and Girls club isn't a 'meaty' story, your out of your mind. Limbaugh gets busted with Viagra, and that's a 7 course meal!! Gloria Wise was a big story, regardless of WHO the scam was going to benefit. Let's be honest, and not try to act like the Gloria Wise scandal wasn't a 'scandal' , it was just as much of one if not more then the Rush 'Dr. Shopping/Addiction' issue. Both illegal and wrong.

There was a LOAN from Gloria Wise to AAR, courtesy of former CEO Evan Cohen. That LOAN was technically the responsibility of Cohen. That LOAN was repaid in full by AAR because it was the right thing to do. There was no criminal investigation against anyone at AAR other than Cohen who was out after the first month.

Despite many efforts by the likes of Baloney to make it into the equivalent of the UN Oil for Food Scandal, when you actually fact checked his reporting, it completely fell apart. He is -still- to this day still talking about it, even though it was closed a year ago. And Baloney's thin ice depictions of Al Franken in Orthodox Jewish curls and religious attire as tons of cash fall from the sky comes mighty close to being an anti-Jewish slur.

The "meatiness" of this story was comparable to Calista Flockhart's dinner menu for a week when you cut through the Baloney and got to actual facts.

That's some mighty fine spin, Phil. But you continue to miss the point.If you got the NY attorney general investigating hundreds of thousands of $$$ in a shady loan transaction, it doesn't matter if it's Evan Cohen, or not. It's a 'meaty story' regardless, and if you say otherwise, you are clearly being dishonest. It's a meaty story if it's Mel Karmazan!!

It's a much,much, meatier story if it's involved the new 'progressive' startup network that was co founded and chaired by a former republican from Guam that totally suckered the liberals at AAR. I mean, c'mon! The whole " I had brain cancer, and then I found the 'progressive' ideology scam? Priceless. Only a committed liberal...uhh, I mean 'progressive' could fall for that one.

I wish I could find a copy of 'Left of the Dial' so you could watch it, and get a clue.

BTW, there is this hilarious scene where they are explaining to thier staff that thier healthcare insurance was cancelled. They even tell these 'progressives' that they did not pay thier premiums, and the staff gets pissed at the HMO. It's comedy gold, I tell ya. The scenes from November the 3rd are just gut busting ;D