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NYC ARBITRON PPM RATINGS RELEASED: OCTOBER 2010

Lite-FM still rules. Still probably making more money than anybody else, too.
Just shows that everybody who can't find music they want on the radio can find music they can tolerate on Lite-FM. Or else a lot of people are spending way too much time in doctors' and dentists' waiting rooms.
 
What's going on with X? La Mega is dominating them big time as they made it on the Top 10. 92.3 slips a bit, but still has their cume over 3 mil.
 
CBS-FM with tremendous gains!! Almost 200,000 cume gain in just one month. Huge playlists continue to work!! :)
 
oldies76 said:
CBS-FM with tremendous gains!! Almost 200,000 cume gain in just one month. Huge playlists continue to work!! :)

A. About 700-800 songs in regular rotation is not a huge playlist. It's normal for classic hits.
B. A 4% to 5% change in 12+ cume is pretty much inside the margin of error of the survey, and not significant.
C. The sales-demo cume for CBS FM is up from a summer slump, but at or just below the average for January to June.

This is a stable opeation, well programmed and well managed. Exaggeration in the interpretation of its ratings is not necessary... it's a strong station.
 
yossefgershon said:
THUNDER got a .2-----not bad considering that there is a Brooklyn pirate on 106.3!!!!!

Under what call letters do you see the station listed?

You know that Arbitron does not give encoders to pirates, right?
 
DavidEduardo said:
yossefgershon said:
THUNDER got a .2-----not bad considering that there is a Brooklyn pirate on 106.3!!!!!

Under what call letters do you see the station listed?

You know that Arbitron does not give encoders to pirates, right?

Thunder is listed as WKMK.
 
ansky212 said:
DavidEduardo said:
yossefgershon said:
THUNDER got a .2-----not bad considering that there is a Brooklyn pirate on 106.3!!!!!

Under what call letters do you see the station listed?

You know that Arbitron does not give encoders to pirates, right?

Thunder is listed as WKMK.

OK, now I get it... Thunder is a licensed station in Eatonton... I misread the post and thought that a pirate showed in the book. My error.
 
Thunder's predecessor on the 106.3 frequency, WHTG-FM/Hit 106, scored a .2 in August, so I wouldn't read too much into this. However, there was a jump from .3 to .9 in the Middlesex-Somerset-Union market. Not great numbers, but a significant improvement, so we're seeing the benefits of filling a format hole. Perhaps if Press expanded its promotion into the M-S-U market, the station could do some considerable damage.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Exaggeration in the interpretation of its ratings is not necessary... it's a strong station.

A station that's 4th in its only demo that matters for it, even 2 places behind the "teenie bop" station, and 6th in mornings makes that statement a bit questionable... and says quite a bit about the (aging) demo that's really listening.
 
DavidEduardo said:
A. About 700-800 songs in regular rotation is not a huge playlist. It's normal for classic hits.

As compared to some other classic hits stations that have far-less music in rotation, yes it's much bigger. And I bet, if you include all the different songs played overnight and on weekends, that number could very well exceed 1000 or more, which is huge for an FM classic hits station these days. These may not be regular rotational songs, but I'm referring to the whole sha-bang.
 
Hot 97 is #7 and WBLS is #10 25-54? WRKS is not in the Top 10? I guess those Payola songs like Hal Linton and playing "Hold on to your love" by EnVogue 30 times a week didn't help Kiss FM much.
 
oldies76 said:
As compared to some other classic hits stations that have far-less music in rotation, yes it's much bigger.

No, if you look at MediaBase or BDS or Media Monitor, the significant Classic Hits stations all ahve about 700 +/- songs in rotation.


And I bet, if you include all the different songs played overnight and on weekends, that number could very well exceed 1000 or more, which is huge for an FM classic hits station these days.

Overnights is not a sales ranked daypart... it's pretty much irrelevant. The lack of commercials forces some stations to put in some deep fill... others recycle songs from middays.

Weekend specialty shows reach very few people... CBS FM has a rating around a 0.2 in 25-54 weekend evenings, meaning that few people are exposed to those dayparts or the songs they contain. Again, totally irrelevant.

These may not be regular rotational songs

Exactly. Most listeners never hear them.

but I'm referring to the whole sha-bang.

And, given the way radio is both used and bought, that is not a correct way to see a playlist.
 
thataveragejoe said:
A station that's 4th in its only demo that matters for it, even 2 places behind the "teenie bop" station, and 6th in mornings makes that statement a bit questionable...

I think CBS-FM is doing just fine in the morning. Sure, it's technically #6, but there are three stations tied for #3, and CBS-FM is only a tenth of a ratings point behind those stations. Really, it's a very close competition between CBS-FM, Lite, and Z for the top-rated FM morning show.

And I think that being in the top 5 25-54 and top 10 18-34 is nothing to sneeze at considering that this is an "old-skewing" format. It does better in those demographics than some stations that aim for younger audiences, such as Fresh and WRXP. Being #2 overall doesn't hurt either.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Weekend specialty shows reach very few people... CBS FM has a rating around a 0.2 in 25-54 weekend evenings, meaning that few people are exposed to those dayparts or the songs they contain. Again, totally irrelevant.

When CBS-FM has huge specials (not your average weekly specials, but the significant ones), which occur several times a year (1001 countdowns, A to Z's, and the likes....) I believe listenership is higher than you state, only due to listener feedback online and on the air. If such few people really tuned in, as you say, then these specials would not air as frequently. Every weekend on WCBS, is featured with a Hall of Fame special, which are quite popular.

Yeah, the ratings may be lower on some weekends, but many, many people still listen to them. It's called weekend recreational listening, whether in a car or at home. And this would apply more to the upper end of the 25-54's.
 
oldies76 said:
When CBS-FM has huge specials (not your average weekly specials, but the significant ones), which occur several times a year (1001 countdowns, A to Z's, and the likes....) I believe listenership is higher than you state, only due to listener feedback online and on the air.

Advertisers don't see daily or weekly data, they see books. And, even in PPM they tend to average several books for consistency and to eliminate wobble and such.

More important, advertisers tend to look at 6 AM-Midnight M-F first, then specific M-F dayparts. Then, maybe, they look at daytime on Weekends. They seldom look at nights, and even less do they look at weekend nights.

The numbers I am referring to for weekend evenings are pretty consistent... on a market and station basis over time. But when we look at specific dates, as we can in the station software, weekend evenings wobble all over for everyone... because a top station might only be registered by 6 or 7 dials inside the sales demos. You can't form conclusions on data that has a wide range within the margin of error that a 90% confidence level would produce.

If such few people really tuned in, as you say, then these specials would not air as frequently.

While I can not climb inside the mind of another station's PD, I can tell you that weekend and holiday specials are used to relieve the monotony inherent in music formats and to create an illusion of variety, expectation, etc. It gives a station something to talk about and to sound excited about.

If it were about ratings, most stations would sign off at 11 PM weekdays and 7 PM on weekends.

Every weekend on WCBS, is featured with a Hall of Fame special, which are quite popular.

They are apparently well accepted by the station's regular listeners, as evidenced by the fact that they don't go down when they do them and they continue to use the device to give dimension to the station... sound programming practices from a station that obviously knows what it is doing and how to keep listeners engaged.

Yeah, the ratings may be lower on some weekends, but many, many people still listen to them. It's called weekend recreational listening, whether in a car or at home. And this would apply more to the upper end of the 25-54's.

All music format listening is "recreational." However, I have never ever heard the term "recreational listening" used.

Since the engaged listening to CBS FM is almost all at the upper end of 25-54, and almost all in the lower end is accidental or forced, you don't make a compelling point here.

And the weekend evening listening level rating is about a 0.2. Given the margin of error, that means from below a 0.1 to about a 0.4 would all be accurate numbers based on number of meters, level of station detected listening and a lot of math.
 
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