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NYC Metro Radio Ratings - December 2022
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It's rare to have a full-time jazz station in a city. New York has two if you count WKCR with WBGO. The diversity in ethnic programming doesn't exist in other big cities. Some places, such as Philadelphia, are just now getting their first full signal FM Hispanic station, while New York has several. The complaints people have about radio are a function of the market demographics. There are rock and country stations in the suburbs, where the majority of the population wants that kind of programming. You don't have as many people looking for rock and country in the five boroughs. That's just a fact.
The fact that NY has two all-news stations and so many people here advocate both of them having FM simulcasts seems crazy to me. If the city lacks format diversity, why would anyone want four all-news stations? Makes no sense to me, other than the posters don't like WXBK.
Atlanta doesn't have a classic hits station like WCBS-FM. The River is a classic rock station, more like WAXQ. Atlanta doesn't have ONE all news station, much less two. Atlanta used to have a non-commercial modern rock station, WRAS, that is now a duplicate NPR station. Until recently, their rock station was a dog. But once again, the diversity of the radio stations reflect the diversity of the population. Cities are becoming more black and Hispanic. That's a sociological fact. That will affect the radio stations.
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Salem doesn’t subscribe to Nielsen.
They are not subscribed. Non-subscribed stations don't show up in the free ratings reports issued by Nielsen.
I was actually thinking Rochester, NY, but that example could be applied to a number of other markets I'm sure.
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Does the same apply for WNTP (990) in Philadelphia Dave? because I never see them in the ratings either, and they're popular also.
And yet in Atlanta WSB is on AM and FM, with the FM being WSBB. WSB-FM is a separate station.
Alternative and Country failed in New York City in both ratings and revenue. Regardless of the operator, you would have seen the same result. To say that there is a lack of variety because two formats that were not successful when they WERE offered (in multiple iterations) is an asinine statement.
David already explained why there is musical overlap amongst stations, and yet you keep saying the same thing over and over. And may I remind you that the majority of the stations you list are all successful in multiple ways, not just ratings. If they weren't, maybe I'd agree with you.
And an FM frequency is only valuable if there is something valuable on it. One would argue that 92.7, 95.5, and 103.9 were not running valuable programming.
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Only 95.5 is a city frequency, 103.9 is White Plains and 92.7 not sure but 92.3 is in the city, next frequency up would be 93.1
They market WSB-FM as B-98.5. Not the same thing.
Using one format area, you say that WBLS, Hot, Power and The Block are "the same". In fact, they are very different.
One is Urban AC, a format generally appealing to Blacks over age 30. Another is Urban, appealing primarily to Blacks but also Hispanics mostly under 45. Then there is one that is Churban, and it appeals to under-40 persons who are non-Hispanic white, Black and Hispanic. And another is classic hip hop, rap and urban and appeals first to Hispanics and then Blacks in the 30-49 age range.
Similarly, you describe WKTU and Z-100 as being "the same" and they are not!
Whether a station is non-commercial or not does not make any difference. And non-coms can often sustain formats and approaches that commercial radio can't serve due to the requirements of advertisers.
And there is the magic word: advertisers. Commercial radio can only exist by giving advertisers a useful medium by which to send messages to consumers.
Alternative and country have been amply found to be ineffective in attracting advertisers due to small and less sought-after audiences. That is not a "radio" problem... it is an issue with the companies that buy radio advertising.
I'm just saying they don't have a problem with the Fam that simulcasts WCBS having different call letters. And this was brought up.
The Mega format and the Amor formats are principally focused on Dominicans, and, since there is no really sizable Dominican community anywhere else, we could say both of those SBS stations are not available elsewhere in the USA..
I agree that the music mix on Amor is rather unique. I haven't even been able to find something similar online.
But to me, Mega sounds about the same as WXNY 96.3, Caliente on SiriusXM, and other Hispanic CHR stations.
Just curious-Since the sizable local Mexican population no longer has a station focusing on it, does a significant portion listen to Amor?
But to me, Mega sounds about the same as WXNY 96.3, Caliente on SiriusXM, and other Hispanic CHR stations.
Just curious-Since the sizable local Mexican population no longer has a station focusing on it, does a significant portion listen to Amor?
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@AceBicuits
I recall seeing a Harrisburg PA book once, in which some 5 or 6 Country stations made the 12+ book. Perhaps you mean them ; this unlikely #84 market?
It was long enough ago that I don't recall the letters, except for the now-dark WWSM 1510, a daylighter.
I recall seeing a Harrisburg PA book once, in which some 5 or 6 Country stations made the 12+ book. Perhaps you mean them ; this unlikely #84 market?
It was long enough ago that I don't recall the letters, except for the now-dark WWSM 1510, a daylighter.
There is a big focus on both Dominican recording artists as well as Dominican on-air staff.
The highly Dominican music content has very limited to zero appeal among Mexicans. Totally different tastes, cultures and ethnicities.
There are only two country stations in the core of the Rochester market, the dominant WBEE and iHeart's WDVI, which has only had the format for a year and hasn't made a significant ratings dent.
Sure, you can hear WLKK in most of Monroe County, but it's a Buffalo market station, and WCJW and WUUF are relatively distant rimshots without viable Monroe County signals.
Four country stations made the last book in #221 Hanover/Lebanon/White River Jct NH/VT, and all were over 2.0 last book (3.4, 3.4, 2.7, 2.1). Only 162,000 people in the MSA.
Note: A couple of out-of-market country stations also showed up in the last book, but both only appear occasionally and usually with not much more than "participation trophy" bogus 0.1s.
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Three are contemporary, with plenty of recurrents and recent gold. One, the lowest rated, is primarily classic country ('80s/'90s centered, but even a few Patsy Cline and Hank Sr. songs!), three or four currents per hour, and two vaguely country pop oldies ("Lodi," "Teach Your Children," "Carolina in My Mind," for example) per hour.
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