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NYC Metro Radio Ratings: September 2015

The September 2015 survey period covers Thu. 8/13/2015 - Wed. 9/9/2015.
Publicly released data for subscribing stations age 6+ overall at the links below:

New York: http://ratings.****************/cgi-bin/rol.exe/arb001

Next report will be for the October 2015 survey period covering Thu. 9/10/2015 - Wed. 10/7/2015.
The data release date is scheduled for Mon. 10/26/2015.

AllAccess.com September 2015 PPM Analysis by Research Director Inc.
including top 5 overall, top 5 in 25-54, top 5 in 18-34 and top 5 in 18-49
(New York is discussed first at the link below):

http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/a...rch-director-inc-exclusive-sept-ppm-analysis-
 
So April till September, it takes 5 months for the changes to actually show in the ratings it seems. Since April Power 1051 has been on point, the talent the music, they have always been very strong but since April the station has been programmed perfectly. Also, since around then z100 started to make mistakes and it shows as well. The icing on the cake was the loss of JJ, no he isn't a memorable talent but he contributed to an overall sound that New Yorkers expect at 100.3khz. Also the music on z100 is not exactly right anymore. It is still a very good station but it is not as strong as was before when the music was exactly right.

I think that the numbers for the Spanish language stations are funny also. There seems to be a few shares missing and while maybe a perfect Power 1051 could take some listening, the off z100 would add back whatever Power took. Hot 97 has gone more mass appeal recently so that could account for it but still I think some numbers are missing that should just fluctuate between those who program exclusively to Spanish dominate New Yorkers.

The diary with a strong sample along with honest reporting still is better than what the ppm is now, as you see in Australia, but we will never be able to get Americans to report their listening in the accurate fashion that they do down under.

Ideally you need to capture media listening through smart phones. Then you get a strong sample of listening as the low amount of ppm meter holders is not getting the job done.

Hot 97 and Power 1051 sound the best today that they ever have since they both have been competing. If only emmis would make power 106 in LA more mass appeal for their market. Stop being so late on the crossover stuff from pop, and replace the weak low testing hip hop with strong pop/rhythmic/dance songs.
 
For comparison, here are the ratings for neighboring embedded markets:

Middlesex-Somerset-Union, NJ: http://ratings.****************/cgi-bin/rol.exe/arb413

Nassau-Suffolk (Long Island): http://ratings.****************/cgi-bin/rol.exe/arb321
 
How do you know ppm is not getting the job done? It seems advertisers are A-Ok with it, sample size and all. That's the job. It's not perfect, but it's as good as what's cost-feasible.

And how do you know that Australians report accurately in their diaries? Would giving each diary participant a ppm yield the exact same results?
 
WOR outpaced WNYC-FM again. WABC had another drop which was possibly another nail in the coffin for the Dickeys before they were shown the door.
 
lol. seems one of my threads got deleted because of a certain title ;o).

anyone know what changes might come to plj now that the evil emporers the dickeys are gone?
 
Also the music on z100 is not exactly right anymore. It is still a very good station but it is not as strong as was before when the music was exactly right.

Not sure what that means - they still play all the top 15 hits like they always did.
 
For comparison, here are the ratings for neighboring embedded markets:

Middlesex-Somerset-Union, NJ: http://ratings.****************/cgi-bin/rol.exe/arb413

Nassau-Suffolk (Long Island): http://ratings.****************/cgi-bin/rol.exe/arb321

Nash dropped more than a full point between August and Sept. in M/S/U. I wonder why that would be....
 
WOR outpaced WNYC-FM again.

No big deal. The Mets are in 1st place and clinched a playoff spot. If WBAI had the NY Mets, they'd get a 3 share.

I doubt very much that WABC's ratings had anything to do with Dickey's removal as CEO. They were bad a year ago when he signed a 3 year deal. It's all about the money.
 
Todd may be one issue PLJ has but what about the music selection? Yeah its interesting to hear throwbacks but why the same ones everyday?
 
Todd may be one issue PLJ has but what about the music selection? Yeah its interesting to hear throwbacks but why the same ones everyday?

because short minded PD's think people don't like Variety. I like hearing new songs I've never heard..even ones from 40 years ago.

personally, I think they need to ditch the 'oldies'...they don't mesh well with the newer stuff.
 
Wonder how long it will be for Todd to be axed from WPLJ?

my first vote was he wouldn't bother to stick around past the summer blast off, he sounded so dejected and un interested in his surroundings. but now that he's stuck it out? I guess it depends on how big of fans the new owners (heads?) are. Dickey's are big todd supporters last I heard.

my new prediction is he'll be unceremoniously gone after the last december show. question is whether jayde and annie will survive the departure. annie is the only one left from the todd show relaunch...and not sure what listeners think of wee for wii jayde.
 
because short minded PD's think people don't like Variety.

Have you been to a wedding lately? Probably not. Most people don't like variety. We have pretty solid documentation on that.

If you liked variety, you'd sample stations outside your current group. When was the last time you listened to WBLS?
 
"Not sure what that means - they still play all the top 15 hits like they always did."

With all due respect if you think that all there is to it and all they do is play the top 15 hits there is just no way for me educate you on the facts of programming music on a message board.

CHR stations play currents, usually they have 4 or 5 songs that they play much much more so than any other songs, those are the songs in power rotation. A power may be played 110 times a week, with there being just 4 or 5 of them, then the next most played current songs in "B" rotation will be 50 times a week, so they are played half as many times. The power comes up every 75 minutes, while the rotation for the sub power would be maybe every 3 hours.

Then there are recurrents, power recurrents being songs that were hits from a few months back to maybe a year and a half, power recurrents being stronger songs that get a higher rotation that other recurrents. Then you have gold selections, songs from a few years back as well.

Then there is the flow of the station based upon the tempo of the songs they play, the sound, the genre etc and how they are rotated to play next to other songs.

What I have noticed, and in my opinion, while z100 is a very good sounding radio station right now, far superior to the mess that most other chrs in this country play, their sound and overall music selection and how they are played is not as strong as it was earlier this year and last year. This goes into the powers they choose sure, but also how long they are powers, how they are rotated, the new songs they choose to play and how fast they up the rotations of those, and the selections made for golds and power recurrents.

Take 965 in philly, as wired the music was a mess and they got a bit over a 2 share. They switched it to amp radio and made the music rotations and song choices much more focused and better, in doing that they got the station up over a 3 share. Those are 6+ numbers yes, but as always today stations are focused to their target demos, so if they go up you can be sure that the station is doing better in those target demos. Now on the surface to the untrained ear and or those who aren't schooled in modern hit music, you might say what is the difference all they do is play the top 15 songs, but there obviously is so much more to it than that and it transcends to how many people listen and also how long they stick around.

Obviously the basics like that every 15 minutes should give the listener an undeniable reflection of what your station is about and all that it offers are all going to be covered well by a station that makes over 50 million dollars a year in the #1 market, my comments on z100 are more minimal but it trying to squeeze out every bit of share you can as is the name of the game, these little nuances matter a great deal.
 
my first vote was he wouldn't bother to stick around past the summer blast off, he sounded so dejected and un interested in his surroundings. but now that he's stuck it out? I guess it depends on how big of fans the new owners (heads?) are. Dickey's are big todd supporters last I heard.

my new prediction is he'll be unceremoniously gone after the last december show. question is whether jayde and annie will survive the departure. annie is the only one left from the todd show relaunch...and not sure what listeners think of wee for wii jayde.

I'm betting Jayde will go to TV after the first of the year. She was in TV before.
 
"Not sure what that means - they still play all the top 15 hits like they always did."

With all due respect if you think that all there is to it and all they do is play the top 15 hits there is just no way for me educate you on the facts of programming music on a message board.

CHR stations play currents, usually they have 4 or 5 songs that they play much much more so than any other songs, those are the songs in power rotation. A power may be played 110 times a week, with there being just 4 or 5 of them, then the next most played current songs in "B" rotation will be 50 times a week, so they are played half as many times. The power comes up every 75 minutes, while the rotation for the sub power would be maybe every 3 hours.

Then there are recurrents, power recurrents being songs that were hits from a few months back to maybe a year and a half, power recurrents being stronger songs that get a higher rotation that other recurrents. Then you have gold selections, songs from a few years back as well.

Then there is the flow of the station based upon the tempo of the songs they play, the sound, the genre etc and how they are rotated to play next to other songs.

What I have noticed, and in my opinion, while z100 is a very good sounding radio station right now, far superior to the mess that most other chrs in this country play, their sound and overall music selection and how they are played is not as strong as it was earlier this year and last year. This goes into the powers they choose sure, but also how long they are powers, how they are rotated, the new songs they choose to play and how fast they up the rotations of those, and the selections made for golds and power recurrents.

Take 965 in philly, as wired the music was a mess and they got a bit over a 2 share. They switched it to amp radio and made the music rotations and song choices much more focused and better, in doing that they got the station up over a 3 share. Those are 6+ numbers yes, but as always today stations are focused to their target demos, so if they go up you can be sure that the station is doing better in those target demos. Now on the surface to the untrained ear and or those who aren't schooled in modern hit music, you might say what is the difference all they do is play the top 15 songs, but there obviously is so much more to it than that and it transcends to how many people listen and also how long they stick around.

Obviously the basics like that every 15 minutes should give the listener an undeniable reflection of what your station is about and all that it offers are all going to be covered well by a station that makes over 50 million dollars a year in the #1 market, my comments on z100 are more minimal but it trying to squeeze out every bit of share you can as is the name of the game, these little nuances matter a great deal.

But the current hits are most of the songs they play & that hasnt changed.
Like now they are playing locked away / the hills / what do u mean etc. alot because those songs are in the billboard airplay top 5.
Their currents playlist is almost directly tied to whats on the billboard top 40 airplay chart & what chart position its in.
The other current/non current hits they play less as you said - nothings really changed.
I just dont hear a drastic difference.
 
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What I have noticed, and in my opinion, while z100 is a very good sounding radio station right now, far superior to the mess that most other chrs in this country play, their sound and overall music selection and how they are played is not as strong as it was earlier this year and last year. This goes into the powers they choose sure, but also how long they are powers, how they are rotated, the new songs they choose to play and how fast they up the rotations of those, and the selections made for golds and power recurrents.

The current playlists of stations like Z-100 will be checked against M-Scores, callout results and digital download and streaming data. The movements of each song will be checked on comparable stations via BDS or MediaBase. Every song in current and recurrent will be validated this way. And the proprietary research will be done against the station's primary target, likely some subset of 18-34 women, and we will never know the nuances of how Z-100 passes and fails individual songs.

If the currents don't sound as "strong" to you as they did earlier this year, what you are likely picking up on is the cyclical nature of pop music, where we have times of feast, times of famine and everything in between.

I've seen cases... and even engaged in the practice... where there simply were not as many powers at a given time as the format structure called for, so we adjusted up the play of "regular" currents and reduced by a couple the number of powers, perhaps from 5 to 3 or something similar. The logic behind this was the lack of enough songs that would withstand the 80 to 110 spin per week demands of a power and a desire not to burn the good songs that were just not good enough to play every 90 minutes.
 
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