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NYC Reception in Northern Orange County

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Hey! I'm a long-time lurker and listener of the NYC FM Suite. While we aren't considered part of the NYC Radio Market up here, a good portion of the population tunes in to WWPR, WKTU, WHTZ, WQHT and so on. New York comes in strongly (enough for HD reception) in both Middletown and Newburgh, but stuggles to do so in between (thanks to Schunemunk Mountain). I live in the FM problem area (Montgomery) but my CC Radio-SW makes up for it.

I made a video to show you how NYC sounds all the way up here:
http://s57.beta.photobucket.com/user/orioles1/media/MVI_0538_zps54cac707.mp4.html

As you can see, we are in the fringe NYC zone up here (however it sounds better than fringe in Middletown and Newburgh):
http://tinypic.com/r/2ziqvq0/6

Here's the straight-line distance from my place to the Empire State Building:
http://tinypic.com/r/5uh4wn/6

That straight-line path crosses right over the Hudson Highlands and specifically Schunemunk Mountain. It is my understanding that Schunemunk Mountain is responsible for the essential killing of general public-NYC FM listening in say Washingtonville, Maybrook, Montgomery, Pine Bush, etc. in Orange County. It doesn't help that we are also at a pretty low elevation.

Illustration, the Schunemunk Mountain problem:
http://tinypic.com/r/1o3t7b/6

I've outlined Schunemunk Mountain in black. The area in between the two smaller arrows at the top of the map is the "NYC-FM problem area."

Enjoy & hope you found this interesting!

-NYC FM deep in Orange County
 
Very interesting!

When I lived in Poughkeepsie/Hyde Park, most of the NYC stations did come up fine although 103.5 (being that their antenna was situated at WTC at that time) was pretty spotty, especially north of Marist College, and I could not pull in 107.5 for the life of me.

Back in the college days (mid 80's) I couldn't get 98.7 Kiss in my dorm room (it was in the basement) but a few steps to the dorm lounge I pulled it in perfect (next to the river). So I would get my DJ Red Alert and Chuck Chillout fix there, lol, that is if I couldn't afford a night of partying! :)
 
Crazy stuff ! I am 83.972 miles SLD from the Empire State Building down here in NJ just outside of Philly, and I have yet to hear any sign of NYC radio, except on AM. I'll have to haul my CC Radio-SW up to a hill and see if I can get at least a few packets of it. The fringe area on Radio Locator for the Empire State Building stations ends 23.189 miles SLD from my house, which isn't very far, so I bet there is a way to at least hear something from NYC if I get to the right spot.
 
ReadtheBox said:
Crazy stuff ! I am 83.972 miles SLD from the Empire State Building down here in NJ just outside of Philly, and I have yet to hear any sign of NYC radio, except on AM. I'll have to haul my CC Radio-SW up to a hill and see if I can get at least a few packets of it. The fringe area on Radio Locator for the Empire State Building stations ends 23.189 miles SLD from my house, which isn't very far, so I bet there is a way to at least hear something from NYC if I get to the right spot.
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I've been able to listen to KTU in the King of Prussia Mall PA parking lot a few times. Any further and you end up overrun by WXHL's translator. You can also kind of get 92.3 and 101.9 in spots on a 'good day' but it varies a lot. I'm always surprised by those 2 since there's FCA's in Philly obviously.
 
I'll have to work on 103.5 WKTU. I don't think there's any way I can get it here though being barely above sea level. King of Prussia is up around 300 feet.
 
Glad to see you guys found it cool! :)

I'll do an AM video, sure! Let me know the frequencies you want me to try. Obviously I know the major ones (660, 770, 880, 1010, etc.), but the more local ones I'm not as well versed on.
 
thataveragejoe said:
I've been able to listen to KTU in the King of Prussia Mall PA parking lot a few times. Any further and you end up overrun by WXHL's translator. You can also kind of get 92.3 and 101.9 in spots on a 'good day' but it varies a lot. I'm always surprised by those 2 since there's FCA's in Philly obviously.
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I was able to pull in 103.5 KTU from the top floor of my house if I fine-tuned to 103.48. I was getting interference from 103.7 XCY in Havre de Grace, MD, if I left it on 103.5. I mean it was nowhere near listenable, but I was able to hear the identifier through the static.
 
In Kutztown, PA and Allentown in places you can get PLJ and Now FM at times or even ESPN 98.7. I can get Lite FM as far as going over the bridge from Philipsburg into Easton then it dies out quickly. Z dies around Clinton. Hot 97 can be heard in Easton for a brief time. I don't understand how they die out so fast there.
 
You can basically get Z-100 until you enter Warwick, NY in Orange County. Once you go back into Vernon you can get some of the NYC stations and once you enter West Milford & Hewitt you can get Z-100 and the rest of the NYC stations. Once you hit the Hardyston Twp sign on Rt. 23 Northbound you lose the NYC FMs. West Milford's basically the last township that you can get any of the NYC stations completely and in HD as well in your car as well as Hudson Valley stations (most) & Sussex stations (usually unless its NNJ not so much because of KTU who are ironically both owned by CC).+
 
It's all terrain related. Get a little elevation and face the right direction, you'd be surprised how far some of the FMs can carry. Drop a few feet and the signal disappears.
 
I do remember in college while driving over the Rip Van Winkle Bridge (Catskill, NY) faintly picking up 103.5 (when it was Hot 103). Of course being over a river helped but I was 120 miles away from NYC, being much closer to Albany.
 
I can get Lite FM as far as going over the bridge from Philipsburg into Easton then it dies out quickly. Z dies around Clinton. Hot 97 can be heard in Easton for a brief time. I don't understand how they die out so fast there.
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The first group of stations (97.9, 99.5, 100.3, 101.1, 101.9, 105.9, 107.5) start to fall apart near Clinton because they start to interfere with co channels to the west and south.

When you cross the Delaware River into Easton, PA, I-78 curves around the mountain and blocks just about all the signals from NYC, Trenton, & Philly.....You can pick up serveral poconos and WB/Scranton stations in that area since there is no real blocks to the north.....Some NYC stations start to come back as you head up the hill toward Exit 71 (PA-33) but drop off again near Exit 67 (PA-412).

I spent many years traveling to DeSales University and while on campus I could pickup the stations from NYC (very weak), Philly, Willmington, Trenton, WB/Scranton (the class B's), Poconos, Sussex, & Reading......I also got WRBT, WAVT, WKSB, WMGH, & WFYY.
 
ReadtheBox said:
Crazy stuff ! I am 83.972 miles SLD from the Empire State Building down here in NJ just outside of Philly, and I have yet to hear any sign of NYC radio, except on AM. I'll have to haul my CC Radio-SW up to a hill and see if I can get at least a few packets of it. The fringe area on Radio Locator for the Empire State Building stations ends 23.189 miles SLD from my house, which isn't very far, so I bet there is a way to at least hear something from NYC if I get to the right spot.
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What the hell is SLD? Acronymfinder.com must list two dozen meanings but none seems to fit your usage. Ditto for Wikipedia. Could you mean "straight-line distance"? If so, why didn't you say so?
 
Tony Santiago said:
I do remember in college while driving over the Rip Van Winkle Bridge (Catskill, NY) faintly picking up 103.5 (when it was Hot 103). Of course being over a river helped but I was 120 miles away from NYC, being much closer to Albany.
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Did the NYC FM signal's off the WTC travel farther than they do now off the ESB?
 
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