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NYC stations during the hurricane

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Most of the FMs are on the Empire State Building and 4 Times Square. Most of the AMs are in flood prone areas. During the 2003 blackout, many stations were off the air for over an hour, and some were off the entire duration of the blackout.

The most important stations for news would be 880, 1010, 93.9, and 101.9. I would at least hope WCBS 880 gets simulcasted on 101.1 (on the analog signal) and 1010 WINS gets simulcasted on 102.7-HD1. CBS should shut off the IBUZ on 92.3 so that Long Islanders can get WLNG.
101.9 could use its focus as a talk station by getting its listeners to call in reports, but please, no news not related to the hurricane on Sunday. They dropped the ball with earthquake coverage, but how they handle the hurricane can make or break their reputation.
I'd hope that the Spanish stations do continuous hurricane coverage en Espanol.
Clear Channel, with 5 stations, should have complete hurricane coverage, with each station focusing on a different part of the NYC metro (Z100 covers Long Island, KTU covers Connecticut, Lite FM covers NJ, Power 105 covers NYC, Q104 covers the New York suburbs).
Stations that elect to keep playing music should dig deep into their music libraries this weekend, since there will be a high cume and high TSL from a captive audience listening on battery powered radios.
Even the pirate stations should serve their local community or go off the air (the FCC does allow unlicensed stations to operate during times of emergency). If Empire and 4 Times Square both lose power, the pirate stations and a handful of non-comms would be the only FM stations on the air.
 
My concern is if mass-flooding occours.. while the Transmitters atop the high rises might be safe.. if the buildings loose power and are on generator... arn't most of the generator plants for these high rises at ground level? If the genny is flooded it will do these FMs no good!
 
Nick said:
Most of the FMs are on the Empire State Building and 4 Times Square. Most of the AMs are in flood prone areas. During the 2003 blackout, many stations were off the air for over an hour, and some were off the entire duration of the blackout.

The most important stations for news would be 880, 1010, 93.9, and 101.9. I would at least hope WCBS 880 gets simulcasted on 101.1 (on the analog signal) and 1010 WINS gets simulcasted on 102.7-HD1. CBS should shut off the IBUZ on 92.3 so that Long Islanders can get WLNG.
101.9 could use its focus as a talk station by getting its listeners to call in reports, but please, no news not related to the hurricane on Sunday. They dropped the ball with earthquake coverage, but how they handle the hurricane can make or break their reputation.
I'd hope that the Spanish stations do continuous hurricane coverage en Espanol.
Clear Channel, with 5 stations, should have complete hurricane coverage, with each station focusing on a different part of the NYC metro (Z100 covers Long Island, KTU covers Connecticut, Lite FM covers NJ, Power 105 covers NYC, Q104 covers the New York suburbs).
Stations that elect to keep playing music should dig deep into their music libraries this weekend, since there will be a high cume and high TSL from a captive audience listening on battery powered radios.
Even the pirate stations should serve their local community or go off the air (the FCC does allow unlicensed stations to operate during times of emergency). If Empire and 4 Times Square both lose power, the pirate stations and a handful of non-comms would be the only FM stations on the air.

Do you really think CBS will shut down 101.1 music for news? I'm not saying they shouldn't if the hurricane is really bad enough. I'm just asking?
 
radioman148 said:
Do you really think CBS will shut down 101.1 music for news? I'm not saying they shouldn't if the hurricane is really bad enough. I'm just asking?

I'm not saying they will, or that they should. But it's not unprecedented -- I have distinct memories of doing news and traffic reports on Z-100 in the midday during Hurricane Gloria, while we all amassed as much news as we could. (Claire Stevens had already left for the day, and, IIRC, Scott Shannon was in the hospital at the time.)
 
Yes, if it takes a direct hit on NYC.. You can bet that music formated stations will break format and do news/talk about the storm (those that are able to remain on air)
 
xmusicmatt said:
Yes, if it takes a direct hit on NYC.. You can bet that music formated stations will break format and do news/talk about the storm (those that are able to remain on air)

Let's hope a direct hit doesn't happen.
 
xmusicmatt said:
My concern is if mass-flooding occours.. while the Transmitters atop the high rises might be safe.. if the buildings loose power and are on generator... arn't most of the generator plants for these high rises at ground level? If the genny is flooded it will do these FMs no good!
Excellent thread -
From Chino Valley, Arizona comes this observation with a question. A few years back, I was a maintenance electronic tech at a Printed Circuit Board manufacturer in Phoenix. The Valley of the Sun has some very powerful summer storms that would knock machine supply power out for both brownout line dips and full power outages.

This company had its own diesel powered backup line systems. Would it not be very difficult to run backup power lines all the way to the top of the buildings? (Three phase and a ground.) Who knows the engineer that has these answers. The stations that you mention may even have various backup power sub-stations?
 
Nick said:
CBS should shut off the IBUZ on 92.3 so that Long Islanders can get WLNG.

Based on what everyone did during Hurricane Ike here in Houston, expect all HD to shut off before a major storm for one simple reason: turning off the HD transmitter cuts down the load on the generator so you'll burn less fuel.
 
I heard a hurricane update via 1010 WINS on 92.3 NOW, I assume the CBS Radio FMs are doing the same. It would be nice of CC to give updates on weather conditions.

Now is a perfect time for FM News 101.9 to shine ;D
 
radioman148 said:
Do you really think CBS will shut down 101.1 music for news? I'm not saying they shouldn't if the hurricane is really bad enough. I'm just asking?

Well, if Friday afternoon at around 2 PM was any indication, they might. At the "weather" break, I heard Bob Shannon actually give a good six-minute detailed update on the conditions expected, as well as the MTA shutdown, and urged listeners to go to newyork.cbslocal.com for further information (because why send them to one of your two all-news sister stations, right?). But the way Shannon closed the update was classic. "By the way... The Mets game? Canceled." (Cue jingle then Billy Joel's "Uptown Girl"; the TOH legal ID actually played at 2:05 PM.)
 
musicman3355 said:
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Now is a perfect time for FM News 101.9 to shine ;D

101.9 is def poking fun at AM radio and the "static" that occours during thunderstorms.. heard a promo overnight to that effect.
 
xmusicmatt said:
musicman3355 said:
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Now is a perfect time for FM News 101.9 to shine ;D

101.9 is def poking fun at AM radio and the "static" that occours during thunderstorms.. heard a promo overnight to that effect.

Just hope that lightning doesn't hit the Empire State Building or the water doesn't flood the generators or they'll (WHITE NOISE).............
 
I saw Evan Roberts tweet that the daytime Yankees-Orioles game tomorrow will be on WFAN so WCBS 880 can go on with hurricane coverage. That's only the second time I can remember that WFAN is carrying a Yankee game due to a radio-friendly emergency in the past decade.
 
I just wonder, have any of the big AM's kept an old tube transmitter? Assuming the transmitter building does not get flooded, an old tube transmitter should be able to handle a not quite perfect ground system which caused by all of the predicted rain. The generators in the basement or first flood was an issue in New Orleans. If the ESB's generators are flood prone, (I hope they are not!) I wonder if some kind of "portable" generator(s) could fit into a service elevator and took up to back up the ESB's FM's. These are not "huge" transmitters so the power demand is not that great. A couple "whole home" package units that they install at your house that can handle your home AC should a the job.
 
How do you operate an elevator to lift in an emergency generator without electricity?

Further, is there physical space for generators in the top floors? From the photos I've seen, Empire's transmission rooms are pretty crowded.
 
PTBoardOp94 said:
How do you operate an elevator to lift in an emergency generator without electricity?

Further, is there physical space for generators in the top floors? From the photos I've seen, Empire's transmission rooms are pretty crowded.

I saw some photos of it of Fybush's site and I'm amazed people can even MOVE in that place!
 
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