Why is New York City without a country outlet?
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NYC without a Country Outlet
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That's a million dollar question...make that a multi-million dollar question. That's how much it could bill. I'm surprised no one--FM or AM--has picked this format up. Columbus,Indiana, pop 35,000 has 2 local country FM's. NYC has none...go figure.XCountry285 said:
Read about The Elephant.
Listen to The Elephant.
(from an NYC radio station, by an NYC radio station)
Listen to The Elephant.
(from an NYC radio station, by an NYC radio station)
I think it has to do with the demographics, and all kinds of NYC area people who doesn't listen to country...Pretty sad.
What used to be called WYNY (I think that was the correct call letters) dropped country sometimes in the late 80s and switched over to dance Top 40 as WKTU and remains dance or rhythmic leaning top 40 as of today.
What used to be called WYNY (I think that was the correct call letters) dropped country sometimes in the late 80s and switched over to dance Top 40 as WKTU and remains dance or rhythmic leaning top 40 as of today.
ai4i,
For your information, I like not only country but also rock (except rap-metal and pop-punk/post grunge stuff) and soft AC. I did find that WKTU used to be WYNY long time ago.
If you don't like country music, that's fine. If that's so, then you wouldn't be posting on the Country/Classic Country board.
For your information, I like not only country but also rock (except rap-metal and pop-punk/post grunge stuff) and soft AC. I did find that WKTU used to be WYNY long time ago.
If you don't like country music, that's fine. If that's so, then you wouldn't be posting on the Country/Classic Country board.
Again here too, NYC still with no station. Not included HD subchannels.I remember the days of the great 1050 WHN.I still miss this station today.listening to Jessie,Del,Mike,Ed,Stan,Lee,Dan,Sheila,Larry and the gang for endless hours a dayThanks PD Ed for the great station.Later like mentioned WYNY took over when WHN signed off,in the early 1980's WKHK 106.7 "Now Lite FM"hit the air did not last.In the 1990 There was WLIE 102.5 in Long Island.I have no Idea if their signal reached NYC clear.It boomed in here in CT.
WYNY picked up the country format after WHN went sports. When WYNY and WQHT swapped frequencies about 1988, the country format went to 103.5 and stayed there until about 1995. A few suburban stations would pick up the format afterward, but they would soon be history as well. As much as I, too, would like to see a New York station take up a country format even an AM station, I can't see it happening in the foreseeable future. I think too many broadcasters got burned trying to resurrect this format in and around the Big Apple.
On the subject of a country AM JFTR, I remember when 1510 in Boston tried to bring the format back after an FM dropped the format that it was a disaster for them. Fortunately for Boston, they have a successful country station now. I know what just happened in Ontario at CHAM, but time will tell if that will last and even if it does, Canada is still different form us. Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't mind seeing 1050 resurrected as a country station with the WHN calls, but with the nature of AM radio in the largest market in the country being what it is, I almost certainly won't happen.
On the subject of a country AM JFTR, I remember when 1510 in Boston tried to bring the format back after an FM dropped the format that it was a disaster for them. Fortunately for Boston, they have a successful country station now. I know what just happened in Ontario at CHAM, but time will tell if that will last and even if it does, Canada is still different form us. Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't mind seeing 1050 resurrected as a country station with the WHN calls, but with the nature of AM radio in the largest market in the country being what it is, I almost certainly won't happen.
THe whole point of the old AM band allocations of local regional and clears, was that is WAS NOT NECESSARY to
duplicate formats all over the place. New York ISN'T the country. New York should have a huge 50 kw
signal with URBAN(E) music. The sounds that made cities sound like cities. Hot jazz from the 20's, Big band Music, etc.
Live remotes from clubs with band music. This makes such programming available to those "in the sticks".
Then, areas that are truly in the "Country" could be powerhouse signals that reach into many cities providing that
choice to those who don't have any such choices locally.
Or we could just have the radio equivalent of a Mc Donalds every quarter mile that we currently "enjoy".
If you like that kind of thing. It makes money, but those who won't eat Mc Donalds have zero choice but starve.
Or pack their own provisions and curse the marketplace that can't figure out how to offer choice anymore.
duplicate formats all over the place. New York ISN'T the country. New York should have a huge 50 kw
signal with URBAN(E) music. The sounds that made cities sound like cities. Hot jazz from the 20's, Big band Music, etc.
Live remotes from clubs with band music. This makes such programming available to those "in the sticks".
Then, areas that are truly in the "Country" could be powerhouse signals that reach into many cities providing that
choice to those who don't have any such choices locally.
Or we could just have the radio equivalent of a Mc Donalds every quarter mile that we currently "enjoy".
If you like that kind of thing. It makes money, but those who won't eat Mc Donalds have zero choice but starve.
Or pack their own provisions and curse the marketplace that can't figure out how to offer choice anymore.
As I remember the calls "WHN" were retired by the FCC at the time WHN changed to WFAN on 1050 22 years ago.I guess they can not get resigned today.Now to drift off topic .times I tuned in WSM brings me back how 1050 WHN and WWVA sounded back in the 70's.
I think a three call sign can be reissued if certain criteria are met. Recently in Baltimore what was WFBR and later WJFK-AM became WJZ-AM. KHJ was another set of revived calls after being dormant for some time.ai4i said:
It should be allowed for a facility which originally had a three-letter callsign to be re-obtain them should that broadcaster decide to do so. In the remote case that 1050 decides that they wish to have the WHN calls back, I say why not?
ai4i said:
All a matter of perspective. I'm supposed to have a directional tracking dish on the roof of my car to point at a regional?
The laws of physics cause certain wavelengths to have certain behaviors. To not use them to best advantage is just like using the wrong tool
for the job, then wonder why the result is less than ideal. I find it humorous that what I find to be an advantage you describe as a "limitation".
If satellite distribution were developed first, there would be no broadcast radio at all, there'd be wired "radio", as was done in some some european contries, and wide areas of the country wouldn't have had any service at all.
You don't want me to be able to listen to the Grand Ol Opry anywhere I am with a radio? Is that it?
Or you don't think radio should be able to offer unique programming choices to a wide service area?
All restaurants should be General Foods "heat-n-serve" outlets?
Help me understand why it is important to homogenize everything.
Supposing we all had to wear uniforms or drive flat gray minivans of a single "accepted" type and design.
That's OK?
Explain why choices in free, OTA broadcast radio are "bad" or a limitation.
Is it because I'm not then locked into supporting the advertisers in a local market?
You would not hear a regional signal from outside your region any more or less than you now hear Boston FMs when you are in Chicago.
We are not comparing business models here, just delivery platforms, but satellite technology does allow niche programmers to flourish. The CRTC acknowleged this when they relaxed their Cancon rules for Sirius and XM, knowing that Canadian artists would get exposure to the enormous US market. I want you to enjoy the Opry, twice each weekend without any fading. Check out, "The Roadhouse", on Sirius-XM. Nothing wrong with supporting local advertisers, in cyberspace uninvited calls to action are known as spam.
We are not comparing business models here, just delivery platforms, but satellite technology does allow niche programmers to flourish. The CRTC acknowleged this when they relaxed their Cancon rules for Sirius and XM, knowing that Canadian artists would get exposure to the enormous US market. I want you to enjoy the Opry, twice each weekend without any fading. Check out, "The Roadhouse", on Sirius-XM. Nothing wrong with supporting local advertisers, in cyberspace uninvited calls to action are known as spam.
klutch00 said:
The FCC will grant a 3-letter call if the same owner in the same market has a 3-letter call on a different service, like WJZ in Baltimore. Of if WOR were to buy a FM, it could become WOR-FM.
They also will allow the company who dropped a 3-letter call to get it back, but that wouldn't apply to 1050 since it's changed owners a couple of times since it was WHN.
KHJ was a special case allowed by the FCC, but they usually haven't approved those.
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