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Observer blogger and Fan host says Russ heading to Eagle Mornings

According to Richie Whitt:

"Two radio industry sources say that CBS Radio and Clear Channel Communications are in negotiations on a deal that could bring controversial and wildly popular radio host Russ Martin back to Dallas radio early this summer. The sources indicate that, should an agreement be reached, Martin -- whose Russ Martin Show was taken off the air in December 2008 when CBS flipped formats from guy talk Live 105.3 to sports talk 105.3 The Fan -- will host a morning drive show on Clear Channel's 97.1 The Eagle as early as July."
Full Story: http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/sportatorium/2010/06/russ_martin_returns_to_radio.php#more


This seems to confirm several rumors floating on these boards.

Fanboys and haters, feel free to take aim and fire at each other.
 
Wonder who'll join him on the new show since JD seems to have cut all ties w/ Russ, Dan is doing nights at the Fan and Clo has his own show on 1190 am so that just leaves Trey. Who wants to listen to that?
 
I don't think Clo has a show on 1190... I think he has a show on Rational Broadcasting which is not terrestrial radio and probably doesn't pay. If CBS and CC are "working out the details" I feel certain that O'Malley would be more than willing to trade overnights at The Fan to mornings on The Eagle. I hope JD doesnt come back though.
 
Too bad they can't put The Jagger Show back together and let them do mornings and let Russ do afternoons and play music the rest of the time. JMO...
 
jeffdfw said:
I don't think Clo has a show on 1190... I think he has a show on Rational Broadcasting which is not terrestrial radio and probably doesn't pay. If CBS and CC are "working out the details" I feel certain that O'Malley would be more than willing to trade overnights at The Fan to mornings on The Eagle. I hope JD doesnt come back though.

Jeff you are correct Clo is on Rational Radio which is internet only now. I guess the fact that Clo was on Pugs show recently threw me off.
 
ead061 said:
jeffdfw said:
I don't think Clo has a show on 1190... I think he has a show on Rational Broadcasting which is not terrestrial radio and probably doesn't pay. If CBS and CC are "working out the details" I feel certain that O'Malley would be more than willing to trade overnights at The Fan to mornings on The Eagle. I hope JD doesnt come back though.

Jeff you are correct Clo is on Rational Radio which is internet only now. I guess the fact that Clo was on Pugs show recently threw me off.

I didn't get to hear Clo on Pugs... what did he have to say?
 
sox fan matt said:
I figured as much. Well if this is truth, the eagle's rating will surely go up i'd imagine.


They actually went way up after they started playing music in the morning...Lets do that for 6 months...then plop another talk show on the air...There will be more people pissed the tunes are gone than happy Russ is back
 
johnqdoe said:
sox fan matt said:
I figured as much. Well if this is truth, the eagle's rating will surely go up i'd imagine.


They actually went way up after they started playing music in the morning...Lets do that for 6 months...then plop another talk show on the air...There will be more people pissed the tunes are gone than happy Russ is back

I honestly don't think that is the case. Like it or not, Russ had a huge following. Even now, I know of numerous people who are excited that he may be coming back on the air and are already counting the days. Remember, 97.1 is where Russ became popular to begin with. It only makes since that this station is where he is going to do a come back. History does have a tendency to repeat itself.

Personally, I am happy for Russ, and I wish him all the luck in the world. It will be interesting who he has on his show again. The Observer said "his gang" is ready to roll once again. I said it on another thread....it would behove him to dig Riddlemouser up from where ever he is now and have him as his producer. In my opinion, those were some of the funnest shows he ever did with Riddlemouser on the 2 way. lol
 
JRG440 said:
I honestly don't think that is the case. Like it or not, Russ had a huge following.
Had. Like 6-8 years ago. The last couple of years before he got taken off he'd dropped from #1 or #2 men 25-54 to generally somewhere between 4th and 7th, ocassionally dipping as low as 10th.

Remember, 97.1 is where Russ became popular to begin with
. It's also where Kidd kraddick became popular. Just because he was there once, doesn't mean people will return there now. Especially if people's musical tastes have changed, their idea of entertainment has changed, etc. Thinking that he's going to be popular again because he's back on 97.1 and 'history repeats itself" is simplistic at best.
 
gspitslive said:
I could be wrong about this, but I have a few thoughts
I don't think you're wrong.

1. Russ didn't have a HUGE audience, did he? He had a pretty small CUME but really big TSL.
Correct.
I only mention this because PPM will measure differently and he only had 1 real competitor inPMD (KTCK).
They competed in ratings (often trading 1st and 2nd back and forth from month to month) but they didn't actually share that much audience. I remember looking it up at the time when he was making news for going through Rhyner's garbage, and there was only like 10-15% cume duplication. KTCK shared a lot more with ESPN, KRLD, WBAP and KLIF, while Live shared more with the music stations- different audiences, differnt 'lifestyles", different psychographic groups, whatever you want to call it...

I believe I am also correct that is revenue did not match his ratings.
Way I remember it also. Maybe David Eduardo can provide power ratios, but I'd heard the same kind of thing. And part of that is that others stations audience profiled "better", more white collar, higher income, etc, while Russ's was more blue collar.
 
A few obvious things/questions/comments:

1. Martin sees the writing on the wall. There's not much left to radio these days, and the days of salaries he once had are long gone. Better grab the money while some idiot's willing to pay it. And it's been just enough time for most people to have forgotten his little tiff with the law, and nearly too much time for him to fall into irrelevancy.

2. Has Clear Channel bothered to play back those first Martin shows on KYNG where he relentlessly lambasted CC and the horse they rode in on? 'Forgive and forget' is really a stretch in this case.

3. I always thought part of Martin's ratings issues those last few years is that his listeners simply "outgrew" his schtick. So, you're wanting a new generation of teen-somethings and 20-somethings to embrace him, not knowing who he is or what blather this guy over twice their age is talking about? (You can wear the rock-n-roll veneer all day, but when you're 50, well, you're still 50.) Me, I know I'd be pissed having my music taken away in the mornings...and now with only one station playing that type of music, well, this 'ain't' like flipping from The Zoo to Q-102 to avoid the 'morning jerks.'

4. Then again, I always felt that Martin was afraid of mornings, that he wouldn't risk being put up against the Dorseys and the Hal Jays and the Jodys and the Bo and Jim's of the local radio scene. It was bad enough doing battle with just one station in the afternoons, The Ticket. Will this new timeslot be a vehicle to newfound/re-found success, or will it expose him as yet another aging radio hack trying to get a morning audience with too many competitors on the dial?

5. Is CBS really stupid enough to let CC buy out a contract that will let CC compete directly with KRLD-FM? (Different formats, but talk is talk...esp when it's 'trying' to be cutting-edge, "hot" talk.) If all CC is going to do is buy out Martin's contract at face value, then why would CBS even care? Or is just some Purdy-good favor under the counter? (And part of the reason why CBS won't program a Modern Rock station to go up against KEGL? Or any other kind of conflicting format?)

6. Sure, The Eagle needs help. It needs a programmer, for one. But acts have come and gone relentlessly there for the last 29 years, and I see no reason that will change. But if CC thinks they're getting the 'old' show and the 'old' crew from Martin, they'd better pocket their money. This would be like Howard without Robin, Jackie and Fred...but perhaps with Elephant Boy instead as the sidekick. Unlistenable, painful, and a hell of a way to wrap up one's radio career.

7. I still get some satisfaction when some ego-driven person starts touting his/her ratings---a 2.0, to me, means that 98% of people listening to the radio right now are NOT listening to that person. Isn't that the right math for that? Yeah, and there's the PPM now...too easy for station management to see specifically what makes people tune out. Once the new wears off, I think there's going to be a lot of disappointment going around. Me, I'll still be listening to KEOM.

8. The Observer made it sound like Martin had this long, rich history at KEGL. If I'm not mistaken, he left for the Satellite Music Network for several years before returning to KEGL as a jock, then as Howard's local board op, then jocking after Howard went off, then to his own show at some point.

9. For all the Martin worshippers who seem to come out of the woodwork on this board, are there any other places on the web that this discussion is going on? I'm sure the Observer had some comments on the article, but for all the power and success that some of you attribute to Martin, why is some radio-only discussion board the only place that such a high-profile, God's-Gift-To-Radio person is talked about? He should be part of every major blog, and on the front page of most magazines and newspapers. In reality, it's a big candle being held up by a small group of people. And even the mention of Martin's name is good fodder to start arguments with here.

10. There's always the OFF button, and 60~ other choices on the dial.
 
I've been waiting on this news for a while! Hell, I've been paying money to listen to his shows from 6-7 years back. If he moves to mornings, I'll start going into work earlier just so I don't miss a second of the show.

I have zero connections to the radio industry, just depend on it to make my work day a little brighter. He's hated on this board though, a radio INSIDER board. He isn't looking for you guys to listen anyways, it's the masses he's looking for.

What would half of you do all day anyways, without spending so much time bitching about the guy and trying to break down why he sucks and why he'll never be back on the air for us "lemmings?"

And before anyone calls me Trey, I just looked in the mirror and I'm not pink nippled, opaque, and I'm not sleeping with my mother.
 
It'll also depend some on the commercial load. Much as I used to listen to Stern, I refused to put up with 5 mins of show and 20 mins of commercials when he was on 105.3. The Eagle was pretty abusive back then as well with spots, but NOTHING like 105.3.

For me (and I'm out of the demo anyone cares about now, anyway,) it's always been about the music in the morning. I made long-term exceptions over the years for Rose Wright and Billy Hayes at KEGL, Joe Montione at KTXQ, Howard at KEGL, and Hal Jay at WBAP.

If Martin's brand of "humor" helps out some folks in the morning, so be it. If I were programming KEGL and just blew X amount of money to bring him back, I'd air reruns of the morning shows in the afternoon...then possibly gravitate the station over to hot talk. Surely SOMEONE still would listen, right? Then again, once you weed out the tried-and-failed "hot talkers" in this area, who would you fill the extra hours with? Martin's out of friends and confidants to give shows to, and the national "hot talkers" are already spoken for at other local stations...and most you couldn't use anyway because they're too reliant on politics. Yawn. And, really, isn't Hot Talk a dead format now?

Then again, you have Russ spin records during his show and you end your obligation to building an all-talk format. That would also eliminate those pregnant pauses and listener alienation when the mic's turned off for some inside joke. You'd also generate time for bits to be planned. It'd make for a better show, and Martin does know his music. Then again again, we ARE talking "talk," and that doesn't require stereo. Put him on 1190 and build a talk format there.

Speaking of 1190, whass-sis over at Clear Channel was all worried about what Jack E. Jett might say on the air? Hmmm...

It's not for me to say, and I'm not sure why I'm even wasting time fleshing out ideas. I'll be tuned elsewhere, anyway.
 
MikeShannon914 said:
And, really, isn't Hot Talk a dead format now?
Not necessarily, but it' s just easier now to counterprogram against it.
Here's why- if you have a news station, a sports station AND a hot talk station in a market, the first 2 KNOW who their audeince is. The news listeners want to hear news, talk politics (for the most part) etc. The sports listeners want scores, opinions, sports news, etc.

What does the hot talk listener want? Well, to be entertained, sure. But what specifically are they tuning into listen to? Survey an audience and people will tell you they want country music, or R&R, oldies, what have you. People aren't going to tell you 'I want engaging local personalities to discuss whatever interests them, no matter what it is, no matter how irrelevant it may be to me, etc..."

Now Russ CAN be very engaging. But at some point, he crosses that line to 'irrelevant to the listener". A lot of people aren't going to care about a movie that they're never going to make, a bar they're never going to open, or whatever. Most people want to hear about what interests them, not what interests Russ. Or fellow practioners of that format.

And that's where the counter programming and imaging comes in. Easy to describe your station as being what the listener is interested in, and the other station as being all about Russ. Or Big Dick Hunter. Or Leykis, or whoever the hosts are. With news and sports you have a built in audience of fans. With hot talk, it's all about how engaging the personalities are...
 
And how engaging they are to the greatest amount of people is where we'll find out if Russ still has 'it'.

As it was said upthread, Russ didn't have a huge audience. But had unwordly TSL.

Tangent_---(for those of you that don't work in radio, ratings are based on Cume (the number of people who listen to you) + TSL (the amount of TIME each of those persons SPENT LISTENING) =ratings.
A station could have 1 person listen to them for an hour, and get the same ratings as another station that had 4 people listen to them for 15 minutes each. 1st station has low cume but long TSL, 2nd has high cume, low TSL. But same ratings)

It's going to be really interesting to se how much of his audeince he gets back, and how long they listen for- they might have a much harder time streching bits over an hour or two,(i.e. building TSL) when the listeners are only hearing them from 730 when they wake up till 830 when they have to be at their desk (or whatever)...
 
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