I've seen the 12+ on the site, but haven't had a peek at any demos yet. Any stories? Winners? Losers? Analysis?
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Thanks for the update Jim. Glad you finally got around to encoding.
Here's the numbers for the three months prior courtesy of one of your competitors:
http://radio-indiana.com/indianapolis-metro/book-buster/total-market-comparison/
Here's the numbers for the three months prior courtesy of one of your competitors:
http://radio-indiana.com/indianapolis-metro/book-buster/total-market-comparison/
Not interested in the boring Emmis group of stations' numbers from the summer. What are the October numbers that will show that contemporary Christian music, namely K-Love, is on top in Indianapolis?
Interesting, Hoosier45guy.
Emmis has taken the tack of omission in the information their pubishing, sharing only the number of stations that suit their message.
If you have access to all the information at hand from this period [not sure who you are], then you know that in certain demos, at certain hours of the day, Radio Disney was among the top 10 stations in the market [Top 5 in one demo, in certain hour-by-hours].
I'm sure you have your reasons for poking at this - and are a bit tickled that you know who I am yet anonymous to me - whatever.
Indianapolis radio ratings have been turned upside down - those who built brand stability over many years benefitted from diary measurement - but meters are now picking up radio stations those same diary-respondents never mentioned that they are in fact listening to. It's always been known [from notations those same diaries] that ghost cume was high for Radio Disney. This is just simple fact - not a propaganda statement to argue.
I'm not professing eventual world dominance
This thread started with "what's news" in the October PPM's. I made the observation. Nothing more self serving.
Emmis has taken the tack of omission in the information their pubishing, sharing only the number of stations that suit their message.
If you have access to all the information at hand from this period [not sure who you are], then you know that in certain demos, at certain hours of the day, Radio Disney was among the top 10 stations in the market [Top 5 in one demo, in certain hour-by-hours].
I'm sure you have your reasons for poking at this - and are a bit tickled that you know who I am yet anonymous to me - whatever.
Indianapolis radio ratings have been turned upside down - those who built brand stability over many years benefitted from diary measurement - but meters are now picking up radio stations those same diary-respondents never mentioned that they are in fact listening to. It's always been known [from notations those same diaries] that ghost cume was high for Radio Disney. This is just simple fact - not a propaganda statement to argue.
I'm not professing eventual world dominance
This thread started with "what's news" in the October PPM's. I made the observation. Nothing more self serving.
MightyFrenchman said:
Frenchman...Apparently those numbers don't exist. However, this is America and you are free to continue your delusion.
Hoosier45guy...thanks for the info.
Mouseman...congrats on the increased numbers. There surely a lot of parents listening in drive time with kids in the car. I know we did when the kids were in the demo.
MightyFrenchman said:
They're in Fantasyland [with apologies to Jim and all things Disney] AKA only in your mind.
Apparently, omnipotence doesn't cover ratings manipulation.
Apparently there is a place you can see all the breakdowns and K Love is there, just not well.
mouseman said:
(BTW, I'm just a hack with a stack of 45's.)
Did The Mouse now buy PPM here for you to speak so cavalier? You didn't show up in the previous publicly published quarterly diary rating numbers due to being a non-subscribing station. I've seen Media Audit reports being shown around town by your staff but that's been about it.
hoosier45guy speak so cavalier ???
Someone was curious about K-Love - I spoke in generalities. But yes, my broad, generalized observations are appropriately rooted.
If you check, you'll notice that the PPM research published at this site [and in other industry trades] includes ALL stations, both subscribers and non-subscribers, as long as they encode. The only unreported stations are those that don't encode. You're correct that wasn't the case with earlier diary-based information, thus the market embargo. You really didn't think that Ben Davis HS, and the U of I were now subscribing because they're showing up now? Or the non-comms? My point being that at least some of this information is now public consumption, publicly available, and open for discussion, including nearly everyone.
Someone was curious about K-Love - I spoke in generalities. But yes, my broad, generalized observations are appropriately rooted.
If you check, you'll notice that the PPM research published at this site [and in other industry trades] includes ALL stations, both subscribers and non-subscribers, as long as they encode. The only unreported stations are those that don't encode. You're correct that wasn't the case with earlier diary-based information, thus the market embargo. You really didn't think that Ben Davis HS, and the U of I were now subscribing because they're showing up now? Or the non-comms? My point being that at least some of this information is now public consumption, publicly available, and open for discussion, including nearly everyone.
mouseman said:
I already knew that because, truthfully, I am a self motivated, high energy sales professional that sells advertising, creates effective client focused marketing campaigns, and introduces and sells sponsorship opportunities in Indianapolis and the surrounding Central Indiana area.
I expect a manager would represent Radio Disney in the highest regard within the community and business environment – be involved in civic and professional organizations to further project the Radio Disney name and image. I don't believe that involves engaging other posters in this forum.
Seriously 45guy? What is the problem with mouseman being part of the discussion. He's not disrespectful. He doesn't get involved in personal attacks. I don't always agree with his observations, but I see no reason why it is inappropriate for him to engage in industry discussion on an industry website.
Dingy Harry said:
You should apply these same standards that you espouse to yourself, Dingy Harry. Your contempt for contemporary Christian radio is obvious. It's a type of music & format that many people love but your bias against evangelical Christianity reveals that you know nothing about its potential as a radio format. WXIR Love 98 enjoyed commercial success in Indianapolis from November 1, 1980, to June 30, 2003. And yet in previous posts you displayed your ignorance of that fact by dismissing its programming. PPMs weren't around to vindicate us then but they're here now and will show you that CCM draws a big audience in Indianapolis.
Oh, I never said that I wouldn't resort to personal attacks. I simply said that mouseman didn't.
I have no bias against CCM radio. I have a bias against bad radio. IMHO Love 98 was very bad radio. I think the Song was a good radio station. I think K-Love is decent radio. The music is fairly strong. Their personalities are very personable, even if they can be on the chatty side. Their production value is good. Their news is well targeted. However all of that being said, they are not one of the top rated stations in the market.
I have no bias against evangelical Christianity. I don't have cloven hooves. I never belonged to a coven. I voted Republican and even have a button set for KLove. I do recognize the potential of a well programmed, well targeted CCM station. KCMS/Seattle is very strong as are KLTY/Dallas, WSFH/Atlanta, Fish/Cleveland, WRBS/Baltimore, WPOZ/Orlando. They perform well in PPM. They all have the same thing in common, strong programming. Love 98 did not. Aside from a woman (cannot recall her name) that was on for some time, the air talent was not up to market standards.
I suppose commercial success is in the eye of the owner. If the owner thinks they are making enough money, then it is a success. However, if the station was making enough money as a successful CCM they would not have needed to supplement their revenue with paid block programming. KLove has been over a 2.0 over the last couple of months. I recall Love 98 being in the mid 1 share range consistently. PPM or not, it would not have competed at KLove's level today.
I have no bias against CCM radio. I have a bias against bad radio. IMHO Love 98 was very bad radio. I think the Song was a good radio station. I think K-Love is decent radio. The music is fairly strong. Their personalities are very personable, even if they can be on the chatty side. Their production value is good. Their news is well targeted. However all of that being said, they are not one of the top rated stations in the market.
I have no bias against evangelical Christianity. I don't have cloven hooves. I never belonged to a coven. I voted Republican and even have a button set for KLove. I do recognize the potential of a well programmed, well targeted CCM station. KCMS/Seattle is very strong as are KLTY/Dallas, WSFH/Atlanta, Fish/Cleveland, WRBS/Baltimore, WPOZ/Orlando. They perform well in PPM. They all have the same thing in common, strong programming. Love 98 did not. Aside from a woman (cannot recall her name) that was on for some time, the air talent was not up to market standards.
I suppose commercial success is in the eye of the owner. If the owner thinks they are making enough money, then it is a success. However, if the station was making enough money as a successful CCM they would not have needed to supplement their revenue with paid block programming. KLove has been over a 2.0 over the last couple of months. I recall Love 98 being in the mid 1 share range consistently. PPM or not, it would not have competed at KLove's level today.
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MightyFrenchmen: Where are you getting these imaginary ratings for K LOVE from? While it's a good product with a respectable cume, it's not even close to being a market leader here. K-Love probably isn't even in the top 5 among evangelical Chrstians. That's a faulty assumption that many CCM radio-types make. I'm sure WFMS, B105.7 and WJJK out-perform K-Love among evangelicals.
WXIR was a horrible radio station with "talent" that didn't have the chops to work in most small markets (Theresa was an exception IMHO). The production values were bad, promotions were horrible, etc. and the abysmal ratings reflected that.
WXIR was a horrible radio station with "talent" that didn't have the chops to work in most small markets (Theresa was an exception IMHO). The production values were bad, promotions were horrible, etc. and the abysmal ratings reflected that.
hoosier45guy: I expect a manager would represent Radio Disney in the highest regard within the community and business environment – be involved in civic and professional organizations to further project the Radio Disney name and image. I don't believe that involves engaging other posters in this forum.
Yessir, the first part of your statement is true, and, I strive to do just that. In fact, I believe I [we] have done a very good job maintaining the image, protecting the brand's integrity in the marketplace. Though your tone seems to suggest that you personally, at least as a survey of one, would disagree. That's what the 1st Amendment's for - freedom to express your opinion.
It's that same freedom of speech that allows me to engage in conversation here. I appreciate the fact that others on this board [other recent posts here during this thread] also recognize that I try to maintain a professional, fact-based discussion as much as possible. I'm not sure how my engagement in industry discussions in this fashion fails to maintain the appropriate image. In fact, I know of a number of current, and prior station owners, and other station managers, as well as jocks, AEs, and engineers who regularly participate in discussions here. Sometimes the discussion's nostalgic, sometimes conjecture on changing market situations in our industry, sometimes pure opinion; sometimes diplomatic, sometimes not.
But hoosier45guy, please feel free to monitor my comments and opinions, and let me know if you see anything in my future posts you deem inappropriate - if I can meet YOUR standards I'm certain our brand image will be safe as well.
Yessir, the first part of your statement is true, and, I strive to do just that. In fact, I believe I [we] have done a very good job maintaining the image, protecting the brand's integrity in the marketplace. Though your tone seems to suggest that you personally, at least as a survey of one, would disagree. That's what the 1st Amendment's for - freedom to express your opinion.
It's that same freedom of speech that allows me to engage in conversation here. I appreciate the fact that others on this board [other recent posts here during this thread] also recognize that I try to maintain a professional, fact-based discussion as much as possible. I'm not sure how my engagement in industry discussions in this fashion fails to maintain the appropriate image. In fact, I know of a number of current, and prior station owners, and other station managers, as well as jocks, AEs, and engineers who regularly participate in discussions here. Sometimes the discussion's nostalgic, sometimes conjecture on changing market situations in our industry, sometimes pure opinion; sometimes diplomatic, sometimes not.
But hoosier45guy, please feel free to monitor my comments and opinions, and let me know if you see anything in my future posts you deem inappropriate - if I can meet YOUR standards I'm certain our brand image will be safe as well.
Hey hoosier45guy - if you are actually an AE in the market, maybe you should be nice to mouseman. I hear Radio Disney is a pretty good place to work, and has an opening for an AE with a pretty good list available. ;D
I rarely hear "Bible bangers" in this region. Driving through the South I hear the old time hellfire and brimstone type.
Msot of our area has relational pastors who are concerned for the person in need. If they exist as a whole let us know where. I am fairly interested in hearing what this is that constitutes your ire.
Msot of our area has relational pastors who are concerned for the person in need. If they exist as a whole let us know where. I am fairly interested in hearing what this is that constitutes your ire.
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