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Funny you should bring that up.

Amazing what we all really laugh at, but won't admit to. Part of the reason Monty Python were so successful. There were no sacred cows. We really do want to laugh at the misfortunes of others...if there's a good joke to be made about them. Given a few days, there absolutely will be "funny" jokes related to this situation. I could easily drop several angles right now. But the golden rule is; Tragedy + Time = Comedy. Timing has always been everything. And now, is not the time.

That doesn't mean there isn't something humorous that can be made of the event. But the target needs to be correct, and the bit needs to be funny. It's also most important that respect needs to be shown toward innocents. The angles, and jokes should be directed at the killer, and should also be as inappropriate as possible. Showing utter contempt for him and his actions. It's actually what is done to effectively reduce the intended impact of an individual's actions. These people crave attention. They don't get it, so they act out in an extreme fashion so that finally, someone will notice them. Scorn through humor is effective at creating levity. It also contradicts the killer's intention to be known for something. When we ridicule, we minimize.

Humor is healing. Once enough time passes.

The kid made an error in judgement. It didn't break any FCC rules. He' guilty of being young, and untrained, and attempting something he wasn't ready for. But, he's not a malicious individual. He's a kid...at the beginning of his career. A good PD would nurture, and teach him how to properly direct his attempts at humor. The motivation is there, and you cannot teach that. Our industry would be better off as a whole, if he were to receive the coaching so many can use, instead of the negativity so many are so quick to fire off with. Does it really make you feel better about yourself to slam him? We could see a very creative kid, crushed by the negativity of a mistake.

Nobody will admit it. but, the more twisted and sick, the more we as a society, like it. We'll never cop to it in mixed company for fear of being labeled "politically incorrect." But, we have no problem laughing...behind closed doors.

Good for him for trying. He just missed. Probably because nobody taught him how to do it right.
 
Is this thread a microcosm of the radio industry itself ?
Take a person who is very enthusiastic about his job and makes a mistake and beat him down into a boring drone.

I hope no job loss is associated with this.
 
freqlost said:
Take a person who is very enthusiastic about his job and makes a mistake and beat him down into a boring drone.

I hope no job loss is associated with this.

Where would that come from? Nobody has suggested that he just shut up and read the liners. Rather, many have given invaluable advice about knowing "where the line is" - (especially Neanderpaul)
And I think you're right - he is an enthusiastic kid.... and from what I've heard one with some talent. So he should learn from the event. It was a mistake. Own up to it. Apologize and move on.

I too hope no job loss is involved - but I also hope that there was a lesson learned.

Be well,

Tom
 
ImTheDude said:
I said, in a joking manner, something about that guy in california who dressed up in a santa outfit and killed his inlaws. Some sitcom like joke saying how im sure hes not the first guy to want to kill his in laws. Too soon maybe?

I woudnt be suprised if a similiar joke pops up on one of those show prep services in the near future.

I thought it was funny
Comedy should be left to the professionals.
 
WVCAfan said:
NHRadio said:
Are you saying jocks shouldn't try to be funny? :eek:

Not with that subject matter, see if Leno, Dave or Conan mention it.

You assume those people are funny. And that they target the same audience. Subjective reasoning at best. Using that logic, Les Paul and Johnny Ramone were targeting the same people.

You don't approve. Just say that next time instead of attempting to scale a moral high ground.

Have Leno, Letterman & Conan made Scott Peterson jokes? Have they made OJ jokes? The answer is yes.

Just say you wouldn't make the joke. No need to try to justify your position by referencing others. If you feel strongly enough, you should be confident enough to take ownership. Your analogy is wrong.
 
I'm not trying justifying my position at all. Don't tell me what to say next time, I don't need your 2 cents. Yes, I assume those late night talk show hosts are funny, most viewers do. Why are you defending a stupid remark disguising as a joke?
 
WVCAfan said:
I'm not trying justifying my position at all. Don't tell me what to say next time, I don't need your 2 cents. Yes, I assume those late night talk show hosts are funny, most viewers do. Why are you defending a stupid remark disguising as a joke?

Because it was a joke. Made by a kid at the early stages of his career. He's more than likely never been shown how to put together a joke. The mechanics of it. Yes, it was poorly timed. Yes, it was insensitive.

And that's why I'm defending him.

There's a difference between a veteran jock, making a stupid comment when they know better, and an honest mistake.

Your crucifying him and demeaning him by telling him he's making a "stupid remark" and implying he should limit his attempts at humor to what Letterman or Leno do is flawed. It may not be your particular brand of humor. But, that doesn't make it wrong, or unfunny. It was an attempt at catharsis. An admittedly failed attempt. Which your precious Leno & Letterman do nightly. What's their excuse? They have decades of experience, and a staff of writers. And they joke about parallel subject matter all the time.

And you are trying to justify your position. You used Leno & Letterman's shows to bolster your insinuation that they would never do a joke this insensitive. I gave you two examples that refute your assertion. And, in response, you become agitated.

It appears you have a problem accepting that you might have made the wrong analogy. Your subjective reasoning might be flawed.

The kid made a mistake. I'm sure you remember your many mistakes. Or, are you perfect?

If Howie, Or I, or someone with experience makes that joke, then they should get hammered. We know better. He doesn't...yet. I bet he's learning now.

A little tolerance would go a long way in helping the next generation of talent learn this the right way. Stomping his motivation serves nobody.
 
Quote from: MarcB on December 26, 2008, 06:34:10 pm: can have a very nasty temper and my response to her screaming at me was to scream back at her. I remember saying something along the lines of "I don't give a *obsenity* about you or your dead son! You're crazy. This is my *obsenity* show and I can call myself whatever the *obsenity* I want. If I want to call myself The Supreme Overlord of Planet Earth I can and if you call the *obsenity* station again I'll have the cops trace the call and you'll go to jail." And with that before she could say anything else I slammed the phone down in her ear.
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You have no right to yell at any listener. They are the customers. If you worked at Macy's and some bozo came in and complained about your name tag, would you scream at them??? It would certainly get you fired at Macy's....And if I were the PD, I would have put you on notice: One more incident involving harsh treatment of ANY listener would result in termination....On the spot.

As for the DUDE who attempted humor over the Xmas killings....Poor judgement. Offensive...but not something to get fired over...or even suspended. An action like that requires a 'talk'. Clearly DUDE understands the issue. Meanwhile, I'd be happy if MarcB worked for the competition.
 
thorn1 said:
Quote from: MarcB on December 26, 2008, 06:34:10 pm: can have a very nasty temper and my response to her screaming at me was to scream back at her. I remember saying something along the lines of "I don't give a *obsenity* about you or your dead son! You're crazy. This is my *obsenity* show and I can call myself whatever the *obsenity* I want. If I want to call myself The Supreme Overlord of Planet Earth I can and if you call the *obsenity* station again I'll have the cops trace the call and you'll go to jail." And with that before she could say anything else I slammed the phone down in her ear.
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You have no right to yell at any listener. They are the customers. If you worked at Macy's and some bozo came in and complained about your name tag, would you scream at them??? It would certainly get you fired at Macy's....And if I were the PD, I would have put you on notice: One more incident involving harsh treatment of ANY listener would result in termination....On the spot.

As for the DUDE who attempted humor over the Xmas killings....Poor judgement. Offensive...but not something to get fired over...or even suspended. An action like that requires a 'talk'. Clearly DUDE understands the issue. Meanwhile, I'd be happy if MarcB worked for the competition.

Funny you should write about Macy's because that is one of my two jobs. I deal with many of those #@%+&#@ illegal alien bozos who don't even know how to speak English. I tried getting a manager to translate about $ and/or coupon issues, but by the time one finally comes, he pulls me off the floor and puts me on the carpet against the GM, who threatened me with termination because of 'harsh treatment' of that customer (i.e. not being able to speak that non-English lanuage). BTW, this GM is still bitter that he wasn't able to bring his non-union Macy's staff aboard to that former Filene's. :mad:
 
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