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OK Class..now we're going to try the MKH416

J

jefflaurence

I have one ordered from Atlanta Pro Audio. I am of the opinion that this "shotgun" mic will cancel "some" of the noise from the little RV studio that we use. During the hot months I need to run both the generator and the AC..and although the plug-ins cancel out most of it..it can get slightly artifacty..so I want to see if recording with a noise diffusing mic will let me use less of the plug-in's effect..I have a lot of traveling set up for the rest of the summer after the TV sweeps end next week..so I want to see how the Sennheiser MKH416 (The LA MIC, the Movie Trailer Mic, the Narrator's Mic..etc etc.) sounds compared to the U87 in the same setting.. To save space I will put up a "comparison page" for those that are interested in hearing the various differences of the various mics. And just to show that I'm not totally nuts, I am in the midst of writing an article for a majot trade publication on the RV studio, and want to do a sidebar on the "hot" VO mics out there..and thier different applications.

And, probably after this insane spending binge is over I will be privately auctioning off a few of these mics. All great ones, but no need for so many..so be ready for some real bargains later this year. Some that may or may not go "on the line" include (1)Neumann TLM170R...(1) Sennheiser MD421U...(1) Neumann U87..and perhaps one or two of the "real close for the money" varieties of which I have 2 or more of.

Just call me Mr. Trial and Error..but it IS interesting..

BTW I will also be selling my flashing neon "CHUMP" sign that sits over my head so often.
 
> I have one ordered from Atlanta Pro Audio. I am of the
> opinion that this "shotgun" mic will cancel "some" of the
> noise from the little RV studio that we use. During the hot
> months I need to run both the generator and the AC..and
> although the plug-ins cancel out most of it..it can get
> slightly artifacty..so I want to see if recording with a
> noise diffusing mic will let me use less of the plug-in's
> effect..I have a lot of traveling set up for the rest of the
> summer after the TV sweeps end next week..so I want to see
> how the Sennheiser MKH416 (The LA MIC, the Movie Trailer
> Mic, the Narrator's Mic..etc etc.) sounds compared to the
> U87 in the same setting.. To save space I will put up a
> "comparison page" for those that are interested in hearing
> the various differences of the various mics. And just to
> show that I'm not totally nuts, I am in the midst of writing
> an article for a majot trade publication on the RV studio,
> and want to do a sidebar on the "hot" VO mics out there..and
> thier different applications.
>
> And, probably after this insane spending binge is over I
> will be privately auctioning off a few of these mics. All
> great ones, but no need for so many..so be ready for some
> real bargains later this year. Some that may or may not go
> "on the line" include (1)Neumann TLM170R...(1) Sennheiser
> MD421U...(1) Neumann U87..and perhaps one or two of the
> "real close for the money" varieties of which I have 2 or
> more of.
>
> Just call me Mr. Trial and Error..but it IS interesting..
>
> BTW I will also be selling my flashing neon "CHUMP" sign
> that sits over my head so often.
>

Jeff, I think you'll like the 416. Nice thing about is it has a built in eq boost. And surprising low end. I've had mine for almost 2 years and can say that it's one that I will NEVER sell. But, it's not for everyone. It can be "brittle" on some voices. It sounds really good on a "smokey" female voice. Those with natural low end will love the 416. I look forward to your assessment.

Chucker<P ID="signature">______________
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.</P>
 
Re: Chump Sign

> > BTW I will also be selling my flashing neon "CHUMP" sign
> > that sits over my head so often.

Jeff,

I was wondering if I could borrow that "CHUMP" sign for a while...
 
Re: Prize Shirt

> Hey did you get your prize (shirt)?

Sure did! I sent you an e-mail, and posted a thanks.

I guess you missed 'em. Swell shirt, shipped next-day. Once again, my thanks!
 
> > I have one ordered from Atlanta Pro Audio. I am of the
> > opinion that this "shotgun" mic will cancel "some" of the
> > noise from the little RV studio that we use. During the
> hot
> > months I need to run both the generator and the AC..and
> > although the plug-ins cancel out most of it..it can get
> > slightly artifacty..so I want to see if recording with a
> > noise diffusing mic will let me use less of the plug-in's
> > effect..I have a lot of traveling set up for the rest of
> the
> > summer after the TV sweeps end next week..so I want to see
>
> > how the Sennheiser MKH416 (The LA MIC, the Movie Trailer
> > Mic, the Narrator's Mic..etc etc.) sounds compared to the
> > U87 in the same setting.. To save space I will put up a
> > "comparison page" for those that are interested in hearing
>
> > the various differences of the various mics. And just to
> > show that I'm not totally nuts, I am in the midst of
> writing
> > an article for a majot trade publication on the RV studio,
>
> > and want to do a sidebar on the "hot" VO mics out
> there..and
> > thier different applications.
> >
> > And, probably after this insane spending binge is over I
> > will be privately auctioning off a few of these mics. All
>
> > great ones, but no need for so many..so be ready for some
> > real bargains later this year. Some that may or may not
> go
> > "on the line" include (1)Neumann TLM170R...(1) Sennheiser
> > MD421U...(1) Neumann U87..and perhaps one or two of the
> > "real close for the money" varieties of which I have 2 or
> > more of.
> >
> > Just call me Mr. Trial and Error..but it IS interesting..
> >
> > BTW I will also be selling my flashing neon "CHUMP" sign
> > that sits over my head so often.
> >
>
It's my favorite mic. I use it ALL the time. I have a TLM 103, a RODE NTK Tube, APEX 460 ( however, I haven't taken it out of the box yet... ) and a 416. That's the heart of my home studio. It sounds great, my clients love it, and it's so easy to throw in my suitcase and take on the road with me...for instance, when I went home this weekend. A couple blankets hung up in a closet, mac and mbox sitting outside the door...boom. done.

You'll love it. The tight pattern makes the mic almost sound compressed and eq'd. Requires very little fiddling.

Enjoy!

Mike B
 
> It's my favorite mic. I use it ALL the time. I have a TLM
> 103, a RODE NTK Tube, APEX 460 ( however, I haven't taken it
> out of the box yet... ) and a 416. That's the heart of my
> home studio. It sounds great, my clients love it, and it's
> so easy to throw in my suitcase and take on the road with
> me...for instance, when I went home this weekend. A couple
> blankets hung up in a closet, mac and mbox sitting outside
> the door...boom. done.
>
> You'll love it. The tight pattern makes the mic almost
> sound compressed and eq'd. Requires very little fiddling.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Mike B
>

Hey Mike - like to get your thoughts on the main differences between the TLM 103 and the shotgun??? Also what are the differences between the 416-T and 416 P-12?

Thanks much!
 
hey meat...

416 sounds tighter...I can't explain it, but it sounds like it's almost pre-compressed for you. Couple it with a nice mic-pre / comp and you're golden.

The TLM 103 sounds great...it's a beautiful mic, and it also doesn't really need much in the way of processing either...a little mid-range bump that's nice for VO...however, due to the large diaphragm, it picks up EVERYTHING.

I have a not-so-quiet home-studio...and the tight pattern on the shotgun really helps cut-down on a lot of the noise.

I use a 103 at work, through a symmetrix 528e, and at home, 416 through a Focusrite ISA 220.

As for the differences between the flavors of 416, P and T...

The T model requires a different type of power-supply than the P. The P is the model you'll be wanting. The T is made for location recording for movie sets, where they're using a Nagra tape deck. As I recall, the T refers to the type of power supply you need to run it.

The 416 P-48 is the mic you need to operate with a 48 volt phantom power supply built into most consoles or mic-pres.

Both mics are a little over a grand...so it pays to do your homework for sure...

Good luck!



> > It's my favorite mic. I use it ALL the time. I have a
> TLM
> > 103, a RODE NTK Tube, APEX 460 ( however, I haven't taken
> it
> > out of the box yet... ) and a 416. That's the heart of my
>
> > home studio. It sounds great, my clients love it, and
> it's
> > so easy to throw in my suitcase and take on the road with
> > me...for instance, when I went home this weekend. A
> couple
> > blankets hung up in a closet, mac and mbox sitting outside
>
> > the door...boom. done.
> >
> > You'll love it. The tight pattern makes the mic almost
> > sound compressed and eq'd. Requires very little fiddling.
>
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > Mike B
> >
>
> Hey Mike - like to get your thoughts on the main differences
> between the TLM 103 and the shotgun??? Also what are the
> differences between the 416-T and 416 P-12?
>
> Thanks much!
>
 
Jeff, like you I had lotsa mics and went through the whole trial and error process...until I got the 416. So, you might as well go ahead and start getting your "for sale" stuff ready. You wouldn't think this little stick of a mic would sound like much, but it does. If you have a tube pre, even better. Now every swingin d**ck behind a mic will want one! It was the nanner puddin' that made me talk!

steve mitchell


> I have one ordered from Atlanta Pro Audio. I am of the
> opinion that this "shotgun" mic will cancel "some" of the
> noise from the little RV studio that we use. During the hot
> months I need to run both the generator and the AC..and
> although the plug-ins cancel out most of it..it can get
> slightly artifacty..so I want to see if recording with a
> noise diffusing mic will let me use less of the plug-in's
> effect..I have a lot of traveling set up for the rest of the
> summer after the TV sweeps end next week..so I want to see
> how the Sennheiser MKH416 (The LA MIC, the Movie Trailer
> Mic, the Narrator's Mic..etc etc.) sounds compared to the
> U87 in the same setting.. To save space I will put up a
> "comparison page" for those that are interested in hearing
> the various differences of the various mics. And just to
> show that I'm not totally nuts, I am in the midst of writing
> an article for a majot trade publication on the RV studio,
> and want to do a sidebar on the "hot" VO mics out there..and
> thier different applications.
>
> And, probably after this insane spending binge is over I
> will be privately auctioning off a few of these mics. All
> great ones, but no need for so many..so be ready for some
> real bargains later this year. Some that may or may not go
> "on the line" include (1)Neumann TLM170R...(1) Sennheiser
> MD421U...(1) Neumann U87..and perhaps one or two of the
> "real close for the money" varieties of which I have 2 or
> more of.
>
> Just call me Mr. Trial and Error..but it IS interesting..
>
> BTW I will also be selling my flashing neon "CHUMP" sign
> that sits over my head so often.
>
 
> hey meat...
>
> 416 sounds tighter...I can't explain it, but it sounds like
> it's almost pre-compressed for you. Couple it with a nice
> mic-pre / comp and you're golden.
>
> The TLM 103 sounds great...it's a beautiful mic, and it also
> doesn't really need much in the way of processing either...a
> little mid-range bump that's nice for VO...however, due to
> the large diaphragm, it picks up EVERYTHING.
>
> I have a not-so-quiet home-studio...and the tight pattern on
> the shotgun really helps cut-down on a lot of the noise.
>
> I use a 103 at work, through a symmetrix 528e, and at home,
> 416 through a Focusrite ISA 220.
>
> As for the differences between the flavors of 416, P and
> T...
>
> The T model requires a different type of power-supply than
> the P. The P is the model you'll be wanting. The T is made
> for location recording for movie sets, where they're using a
> Nagra tape deck. As I recall, the T refers to the type of
> power supply you need to run it.
>
> The 416 P-48 is the mic you need to operate with a 48 volt
> phantom power supply built into most consoles or mic-pres.
>
> Both mics are a little over a grand...so it pays to do your
> homework for sure...
>
> Good luck!


Thanks for the advice, Mike....it's appreciated. And your v/o is top notch by the way...very natural. One of the best in the industry!

I've been taking my time with sound proofing and design of my basement studio, so I hope the extra money and planning pays off. I have the TLM and I purchased a Safe Sound P-1 combo. If I still have noise issues...the 416 might be the remedy.
 
Hmmm..sounds like we need to ask the moderator to cancel this thread so the secret of the golden circle is safe...

Hey Steve! thanks again for the consideration the other night..and for the tip on this mic.

I owe you a ham.
 
> > hey meat...
> >
> > 416 sounds tighter...I can't explain it, but it sounds
> like
> > it's almost pre-compressed for you. Couple it with a nice
>
> > mic-pre / comp and you're golden.
> >
> > The TLM 103 sounds great...it's a beautiful mic, and it
> also
> > doesn't really need much in the way of processing
> either...a
> > little mid-range bump that's nice for VO...however, due to
>
> > the large diaphragm, it picks up EVERYTHING.
> >
> > I have a not-so-quiet home-studio...and the tight pattern
> on
> > the shotgun really helps cut-down on a lot of the noise.
>
> >
> > I use a 103 at work, through a symmetrix 528e, and at
> home,
> > 416 through a Focusrite ISA 220.
> >
> > As for the differences between the flavors of 416, P and
> > T...
> >
> > The T model requires a different type of power-supply than
>
> > the P. The P is the model you'll be wanting. The T is
> made
> > for location recording for movie sets, where they're using
> a
> > Nagra tape deck. As I recall, the T refers to the type of
>
> > power supply you need to run it.
> >
> > The 416 P-48 is the mic you need to operate with a 48 volt
>
> > phantom power supply built into most consoles or mic-pres.
>
> >
> > Both mics are a little over a grand...so it pays to do
> your
> > homework for sure...
> >
> > Good luck!
>
>
> Thanks for the advice, Mike....it's appreciated. And your
> v/o is top notch by the way...very natural. One of the best
> in the industry!
>
> I've been taking my time with sound proofing and design of
> my basement studio, so I hope the extra money and planning
> pays off. I have the TLM and I purchased a Safe Sound P-1
> combo. If I still have noise issues...the 416 might be the
> remedy.

Hey Man...anytime! And thanks alot for the props. I really appreciate it!

My 2 pennies on soundproofing...I have a little booth I've made with a 3-panel japanese floor screen, with auralex on the panels...and over the top I throw a couple of those markertek sound-absorbing blankets...it sounds really nice...it's hot as h**l, but it's cheap, it's portable-ish...and it passes the wife test!

Again, thanks for the nice words, really kind of you.

Mike B
www.mikebrattonvoice.com

> <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by voiceguy on 07/26/05 02:56 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Here's a real NEGATIVE opinion of the 416

All the reviewer is really saying is don't use it for something for which it was not intended (duh). Noisy environments and distant targets, yes; close studio work, no.
 
Re: Here's a real NEGATIVE opinion of the 416

> > Everyone raves about the 416, but I found this really
> > negative review on the internet...
> >
> > http://www.coreyburton.com/sennheiser.html
> >
> > Any comments on this review?
> > Would like a shootout between this mic and the u87 for
> v/o work..my guess
> is the u87 gets the nod....
>


NPR uses the 416 as it's on air mic. I think the 416 would be great for talk radio. If processed correctly you can be off axis and it still picks you up. Lots of VO talents use it and it sounds really good. Ultimately, not every mic will suit every person. All depends on the voice and the desired result. I personally really like the 416. And every one who ever test drives it likes it as well.<P ID="signature">______________
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by bigwoody on 07/26/05 06:56 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Here's a real NEGATIVE opinion of the 416

> All the reviewer is really saying is don't use it for
> something for which it was not intended (duh). Noisy
> environments and distant targets, yes; close studio work,
> no.
>

Actually, what he's saying is basically that it's not a mic intended for "acting."

If you're a voiceover "actor," it requires that you still ACT...just not on-camera or on-stage. But you still perform your voiceover...and that means moving around, using your hands...and that kind of movement and voiceover acting requires a mic that can pickup more of a range of sounds...and that's what he's saying...a 416 is not the job for that.

All the other characteristics he refers to, are exactly what most people in radio and promo voiceover are in fact looking for.

Mike B
 
Re: Here's a real NEGATIVE opinion of the 416

>
> Actually, what he's saying is basically that it's not a mic
> intended for "acting."
>
> If you're a voiceover "actor," it requires that you still
> ACT...just not on-camera or on-stage. But you still perform
> your voiceover...and that means moving around, using your
> hands...and that kind of movement and voiceover acting
> requires a mic that can pickup more of a range of
> sounds...and that's what he's saying...a 416 is not the job
> for that.
>
> All the other characteristics he refers to, are exactly what
> most people in radio and promo voiceover are in fact looking
> for.
>
> Mike B
>

The 416 is used for TV and movie audio. Actors move around on sets. I will concede that multiple 416's or MK60's are used. Still, you don't see u87's hanging off of booms.
<P ID="signature">______________
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.</P>
 
Re: Here's a real NEGATIVE opinion of the 416

Yeah...uh, you guys are..um..right..Disregard the other posts..the 416 is a hoax..forget it..don't get one.
 
Re: Here's a real NEGATIVE opinion of the 416

> >
> > Actually, what he's saying is basically that it's not a
> mic
> > intended for "acting."
> >
> > If you're a voiceover "actor," it requires that you still
> > ACT...just not on-camera or on-stage. But you still
> perform
> > your voiceover...and that means moving around, using your
> > hands...and that kind of movement and voiceover acting
> > requires a mic that can pickup more of a range of
> > sounds...and that's what he's saying...a 416 is not the
> job
> > for that.
> >
> > All the other characteristics he refers to, are exactly
> what
> > most people in radio and promo voiceover are in fact
> looking
> > for.
> >
> > Mike B
> >
>
> The 416 is used for TV and movie audio. Actors move around
> on sets. I will concede that multiple 416's or MK60's are
> used. Still, you don't see u87's hanging off of booms.
>

Of course not...but again, we're referring to close mic acting and / or promo voiceover. The 416 is designed for exactly the application you're talking about...and now its been put into practice as a voiceover mic for its interesting sound characteristics when used up-close in a booth.

You are absolutely correct that they are used on location for TV and movie audio. But we're dealing with in-studio voiceover. So, I was merely stating that in a small-studio environment, the 416 is great for promo and / radio voiceover work...but if you've ever watched a clip of the "Simpson's" voiceover actors, you'll see them standing in front of copy stands with big fat Neumann's danlging over their heads.
 
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