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OK Class..now we're going to try the MKH416
- Thread starter jefflaurence
- Start date
Re: Here's a real NEGATIVE opinion of the 416
> translation: Jeff finally got his 416. He's keeping it.
>
> > Yeah...uh, you guys are..um..right..Disregard the other
> > posts..the 416 is a hoax..forget it..don't get one.
> >
> how does it compare to the u87, voice over standard for decades.?????or for that matter how does it stack up against the wagner u47/????
> translation: Jeff finally got his 416. He's keeping it.
>
> > Yeah...uh, you guys are..um..right..Disregard the other
> > posts..the 416 is a hoax..forget it..don't get one.
> >
> how does it compare to the u87, voice over standard for decades.?????or for that matter how does it stack up against the wagner u47/????
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12-31-72
Guest
Jeff-
Thanks for posting this about the 416. I've been considering buying one for months now and it's good to hear differing opinions.
However, when are you going to post some audio? I'd like to hear what you sound like on the sennheiser as compared to your other mics...
> I have one ordered from Atlanta Pro Audio. I am of the
> opinion that this "shotgun" mic will cancel "some" of the
> noise from the little RV studio that we use. During the hot
> months I need to run both the generator and the AC..and
> although the plug-ins cancel out most of it..it can get
> slightly artifacty..so I want to see if recording with a
> noise diffusing mic will let me use less of the plug-in's
> effect..I have a lot of traveling set up for the rest of the
> summer after the TV sweeps end next week..so I want to see
> how the Sennheiser MKH416 (The LA MIC, the Movie Trailer
> Mic, the Narrator's Mic..etc etc.) sounds compared to the
> U87 in the same setting.. To save space I will put up a
> "comparison page" for those that are interested in hearing
> the various differences of the various mics. And just to
> show that I'm not totally nuts, I am in the midst of writing
> an article for a majot trade publication on the RV studio,
> and want to do a sidebar on the "hot" VO mics out there..and
> thier different applications.
>
> And, probably after this insane spending binge is over I
> will be privately auctioning off a few of these mics. All
> great ones, but no need for so many..so be ready for some
> real bargains later this year. Some that may or may not go
> "on the line" include (1)Neumann TLM170R...(1) Sennheiser
> MD421U...(1) Neumann U87..and perhaps one or two of the
> "real close for the money" varieties of which I have 2 or
> more of.
>
> Just call me Mr. Trial and Error..but it IS interesting..
>
> BTW I will also be selling my flashing neon "CHUMP" sign
> that sits over my head so often.
>
Thanks for posting this about the 416. I've been considering buying one for months now and it's good to hear differing opinions.
However, when are you going to post some audio? I'd like to hear what you sound like on the sennheiser as compared to your other mics...
> I have one ordered from Atlanta Pro Audio. I am of the
> opinion that this "shotgun" mic will cancel "some" of the
> noise from the little RV studio that we use. During the hot
> months I need to run both the generator and the AC..and
> although the plug-ins cancel out most of it..it can get
> slightly artifacty..so I want to see if recording with a
> noise diffusing mic will let me use less of the plug-in's
> effect..I have a lot of traveling set up for the rest of the
> summer after the TV sweeps end next week..so I want to see
> how the Sennheiser MKH416 (The LA MIC, the Movie Trailer
> Mic, the Narrator's Mic..etc etc.) sounds compared to the
> U87 in the same setting.. To save space I will put up a
> "comparison page" for those that are interested in hearing
> the various differences of the various mics. And just to
> show that I'm not totally nuts, I am in the midst of writing
> an article for a majot trade publication on the RV studio,
> and want to do a sidebar on the "hot" VO mics out there..and
> thier different applications.
>
> And, probably after this insane spending binge is over I
> will be privately auctioning off a few of these mics. All
> great ones, but no need for so many..so be ready for some
> real bargains later this year. Some that may or may not go
> "on the line" include (1)Neumann TLM170R...(1) Sennheiser
> MD421U...(1) Neumann U87..and perhaps one or two of the
> "real close for the money" varieties of which I have 2 or
> more of.
>
> Just call me Mr. Trial and Error..but it IS interesting..
>
> BTW I will also be selling my flashing neon "CHUMP" sign
> that sits over my head so often.
>
B
bigwoody
Guest
Re: Here's a real NEGATIVE opinion of the 416
> Of course not...but again, we're referring to close mic
> acting and / or promo voiceover. The 416 is designed for
> exactly the application you're talking about...and now its
> been put into practice as a voiceover mic for its
> interesting sound characteristics when used up-close in a
> booth.
>
> You are absolutely correct that they are used on location
> for TV and movie audio. But we're dealing with in-studio
> voiceover. So, I was merely stating that in a small-studio
> environment, the 416 is great for promo and / radio
> voiceover work...but if you've ever watched a clip of the
> "Simpson's" voiceover actors, you'll see them standing in
> front of copy stands with big fat Neumann's danlging over
> their heads.
>
Same is true for animated films like Shrek, etc. Neumanns are warm. The 416...not "warm".
Hey Mike, just realized who you are. Chuck here in Toledo (Zone).
Blame Ernie Anderson for the 416 being used as a voice over mic. Because of it's tight pattern and built in EQ it really cuts thru. It tends to help out those with already big pipes.
I track my female midday jock (Zone) on a 416 (with a dBX286a > UREI 1176LN blackface). She sounds great. Has a smoky voice and the 416 makes it shine. She won't even use the stock RE-20's we have. She always wants to use the 416.
<P ID="signature">______________
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by bigwoody on 07/28/05 12:12 AM.</FONT></P>
> Of course not...but again, we're referring to close mic
> acting and / or promo voiceover. The 416 is designed for
> exactly the application you're talking about...and now its
> been put into practice as a voiceover mic for its
> interesting sound characteristics when used up-close in a
> booth.
>
> You are absolutely correct that they are used on location
> for TV and movie audio. But we're dealing with in-studio
> voiceover. So, I was merely stating that in a small-studio
> environment, the 416 is great for promo and / radio
> voiceover work...but if you've ever watched a clip of the
> "Simpson's" voiceover actors, you'll see them standing in
> front of copy stands with big fat Neumann's danlging over
> their heads.
>
Same is true for animated films like Shrek, etc. Neumanns are warm. The 416...not "warm".
Hey Mike, just realized who you are. Chuck here in Toledo (Zone).
Blame Ernie Anderson for the 416 being used as a voice over mic. Because of it's tight pattern and built in EQ it really cuts thru. It tends to help out those with already big pipes.
I track my female midday jock (Zone) on a 416 (with a dBX286a > UREI 1176LN blackface). She sounds great. Has a smoky voice and the 416 makes it shine. She won't even use the stock RE-20's we have. She always wants to use the 416.
<P ID="signature">______________
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by bigwoody on 07/28/05 12:12 AM.</FONT></P>
B
bigwoody
Guest
Re: Here's a real NEGATIVE opinion of the 416
> Yeah...uh, you guys are..um..right..Disregard the other
> posts..the 416 is a hoax..forget it..don't get one.
>
LOL! I told you that you'd dig it! Shoot me a comparison.
Chuck<P ID="signature">______________
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.</P>
> Yeah...uh, you guys are..um..right..Disregard the other
> posts..the 416 is a hoax..forget it..don't get one.
>
LOL! I told you that you'd dig it! Shoot me a comparison.
Chuck<P ID="signature">______________
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.</P>
V
voiceguy
Guest
Re: Here's a real NEGATIVE opinion of the 416
> > Of course not...but again, we're referring to close mic
> > acting and / or promo voiceover. The 416 is designed for
> > exactly the application you're talking about...and now its
>
> > been put into practice as a voiceover mic for its
> > interesting sound characteristics when used up-close in a
> > booth.
> >
> > You are absolutely correct that they are used on location
> > for TV and movie audio. But we're dealing with in-studio
> > voiceover. So, I was merely stating that in a
> small-studio
> > environment, the 416 is great for promo and / radio
> > voiceover work...but if you've ever watched a clip of the
> > "Simpson's" voiceover actors, you'll see them standing in
> > front of copy stands with big fat Neumann's danlging over
> > their heads.
> >
>
> Same is true for animated films like Shrek, etc. Neumanns
> are warm. The 416...not "warm".
>
> Hey Mike, just realized who you are. Chuck here in Toledo
> (Zone).
>
> Blame Ernie Anderson for the 416 being used as a voice over
> mic. Because of it's tight pattern and built in EQ it really
> cuts thru. It tends to help out those with already big
> pipes.
>
> I track my female midday jock (Zone) on a 416 (with a
> dBX286a > UREI 1176LN blackface). She sounds great. Has a
> smoky voice and the 416 makes it shine. She won't even use
> the stock RE-20's we have. She always wants to use the 416.
>
YO! How are ya? Yeah, I do like the warmth of Neumanns...if you really want a nice fat mic, Telefunken ( the honest-to-God ones ) sound amazing. Of course they should as much as they cost...
Good the hear from ya man! How's things sounding and stuff??
When you get a chance, shoot me some material...
xo
> > Of course not...but again, we're referring to close mic
> > acting and / or promo voiceover. The 416 is designed for
> > exactly the application you're talking about...and now its
>
> > been put into practice as a voiceover mic for its
> > interesting sound characteristics when used up-close in a
> > booth.
> >
> > You are absolutely correct that they are used on location
> > for TV and movie audio. But we're dealing with in-studio
> > voiceover. So, I was merely stating that in a
> small-studio
> > environment, the 416 is great for promo and / radio
> > voiceover work...but if you've ever watched a clip of the
> > "Simpson's" voiceover actors, you'll see them standing in
> > front of copy stands with big fat Neumann's danlging over
> > their heads.
> >
>
> Same is true for animated films like Shrek, etc. Neumanns
> are warm. The 416...not "warm".
>
> Hey Mike, just realized who you are. Chuck here in Toledo
> (Zone).
>
> Blame Ernie Anderson for the 416 being used as a voice over
> mic. Because of it's tight pattern and built in EQ it really
> cuts thru. It tends to help out those with already big
> pipes.
>
> I track my female midday jock (Zone) on a 416 (with a
> dBX286a > UREI 1176LN blackface). She sounds great. Has a
> smoky voice and the 416 makes it shine. She won't even use
> the stock RE-20's we have. She always wants to use the 416.
>
YO! How are ya? Yeah, I do like the warmth of Neumanns...if you really want a nice fat mic, Telefunken ( the honest-to-God ones ) sound amazing. Of course they should as much as they cost...
Good the hear from ya man! How's things sounding and stuff??
When you get a chance, shoot me some material...
xo
B
bigwoody
Guest
Re: Here's a real NEGATIVE opinion of the 416
> YO! How are ya? Yeah, I do like the warmth of
> Neumanns...if you really want a nice fat mic, Telefunken (
> the honest-to-God ones ) sound amazing. Of course they
> should as much as they cost...
>
> Good the hear from ya man! How's things sounding and
> stuff??
>
> When you get a chance, shoot me some material...
>
> xo
>
I'm not imaging Zone. I just the few outstanding pages they had. The PD is doing it. Mostly promos. He doesn't really do the overall picture. I think the morning guy and APD split imaging duties.
I'm imaging the classic rock and Top 40/R.
Jeff Laurence, a contributor to this board and my former oldies VO for now defunct WTRG/Raleigh, uses a Telefunken U47 (you own 2 don't you Jeff?). FAT sound. But as you can read on some older posts, the Peluso 2247 LE (and others) are less expensive and sound as good.
<P ID="signature">______________
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.</P>
> YO! How are ya? Yeah, I do like the warmth of
> Neumanns...if you really want a nice fat mic, Telefunken (
> the honest-to-God ones ) sound amazing. Of course they
> should as much as they cost...
>
> Good the hear from ya man! How's things sounding and
> stuff??
>
> When you get a chance, shoot me some material...
>
> xo
>
I'm not imaging Zone. I just the few outstanding pages they had. The PD is doing it. Mostly promos. He doesn't really do the overall picture. I think the morning guy and APD split imaging duties.
I'm imaging the classic rock and Top 40/R.
Jeff Laurence, a contributor to this board and my former oldies VO for now defunct WTRG/Raleigh, uses a Telefunken U47 (you own 2 don't you Jeff?). FAT sound. But as you can read on some older posts, the Peluso 2247 LE (and others) are less expensive and sound as good.
<P ID="signature">______________
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.</P>
Re: Here's a real NEGATIVE opinion of the 416
I use a U87 on the road in the RV studio..That truck is NOISY, and use of the AA noise reduction program takes a lot out as far as generator and Air Cond. noises..but I am going to try the 416 in there to see if it notches out some of the inherant noise from the rig..without having to use much of the NR..Also going to try BIAS "Sound Soap" to see how that differs from AA's NR program..Anybody ever use Sound Soap? It looks neat..there's a 600.00 version and a 99 dollar version..I bought the diet version of course.
I use a U87 on the road in the RV studio..That truck is NOISY, and use of the AA noise reduction program takes a lot out as far as generator and Air Cond. noises..but I am going to try the 416 in there to see if it notches out some of the inherant noise from the rig..without having to use much of the NR..Also going to try BIAS "Sound Soap" to see how that differs from AA's NR program..Anybody ever use Sound Soap? It looks neat..there's a 600.00 version and a 99 dollar version..I bought the diet version of course.
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