Old ABC network ID

[chrish]

Does anyone else remember early ABC ID's that had a map with stars shining for affiliates or owned stations when they said you are watching the
ABC television network throughout the United States and North America. I distinctly recall stations in Canada and Mexico (XETV was one of them).
I also see in old radio logs of there being NBC radio affiliates on many stations throughout Canada during the 30's and 40's.

 

[Mario500]

Here is a link to a page with various ABC logos, including one with a map of the United States:

http://members.fortunecity.com/tvnetworks/abc/

 

[bpatrick]

And ABC would no doubt have been happy to keep XETV,
being on very-viewable Channel 6. But IIRC, the Nixon-era
FCC decreed in 1972 that the networks couldn't have affiliates
outside the country, so ABC had to switch to KCST (now KNSD)/39
until KGTV/10 decided to switch from NBC in 1977.

Back to old ABC IDs: I like the one with the eagle, over which is
superimposed ABC and in lower-case letters "American Broadcasting
Company." The first one I remember was the predecessor to the
current one, with the lower-case abc located inside an enlarged
lower-case a.

The ABC logo as we know it has been in use for 50 years in 2012.

 

[RicoGregg]

And ABC would no doubt have been happy to keep XETV,
being on very-viewable Channel 6. But IIRC, the Nixon-era
FCC decreed in 1972 that the networks couldn't have affiliates
outside the country, so ABC had to switch to KCST (now KNSD)/39
until KGTV/10 decided to switch from NBC in 1977.

Actually, ABC was glad to get rid of XETV as an affilate. They had been a long time thorn in the network's side.

ABC had a lengthy laundry list of issues with Channel 6, including things like not carrying all network programming, the timing of switching from a network spot break to local, coming back into network programming late, and not having a local newscast back then for the purpose of program lead-ins and promos.

According to TV columnist Don Freeman of the San Diego Union, the last straw for ABC with XETV was during the USC - Notre Dame football game of 1972, when Trojans tailback Anthony Davis scored six touchdowns against the Irish.

Because of their "let's break from the network when we feel like it" policy, XETV missed two of Davis' touchdowns. There was an avalanche of furious football fans and no number to call XETV with.

That game spelled the end of ABC's relationship with XETV.

Later on, XETV was an affiliate of both Fox and the CW at different times.

 

[azumanga]

Later on, XETV was an affiliate of both Fox and the CW at different times.

XETV was an independent from 1972 until Fox started up in 1986, but for the first few years, Fox programming had to be pre-recorded and delivered to the transmitter in Tijuana, due to laws put into place preventing networks from providing a feed to stations outside the US. However, this practice ended in 1994, when XETV sought a waiver to have its programming beamed via satellite and microwave to Tijuana, following Fox's launch of NFL football coverage.

 

[chrish]

The early 60's alternate is the one I was talking about.

 

[Mario500]

The page linked in my previous post actually has two ABC network identification images each with a map of the United States. I saw the one from 1948 first before realizing chrish was describing the one from the 1960s.

 

[bpatrick]

Thanks for straightening me out on the ABC/XETV relationship;
I had always heard that ABC wasn't too happy about moving to
Channel 39.

I don't remember the logo with the map; I do remember the map
"American Bandstand" had in the Philadelphia days with the stations
carrying the show marked by city.

 

[nomadcowatbk]

Thanks for straightening me out on the ABC/XETV relationship;
I had always heard that ABC wasn't too happy about moving to
Channel 39.

I don't remember the logo with the map; I do remember the map
"American Bandstand" had in the Philadelphia days with the stations
carrying the show marked by city.

Did the American Bandstand grill's open in cities where it did not air? It did in Kansas City

 

[cd637299]

Thanks for straightening me out on the ABC/XETV relationship;
I had always heard that ABC wasn't too happy about moving to
Channel 39.

I don't remember the logo with the map; I do remember the map
"American Bandstand" had in the Philadelphia days with the stations
carrying the show marked by city.

Did the American Bandstand grill's open in cities where it did not air? It did in Kansas City

Miami had an AB Grill...."Bandstand" was not shown in Miami during its glory years....I think ch 10 stopped showing it around 1962, although an indie (ch 23) grabbed it for a few months in '69.

cd

 

[compubit]

Visiting the506.com, there are links to the ESPN Saturday afternoon football coverage maps, including the affiliates - grantee the quality of the map image isn't great, but you can see the interconnects of stations with satellites.

Not bad, but needs to be updated:
has KTEN WGXA and KHQA digital .2 ABC stations, but is missing KSBW in Salinas/Monterey.

The most glaring "inclusion" is WAKC in Akron, which hasn't been an ABC station since 1998...

J

 

[onairb]

KSBW is an NBC affiliate.

 

[bpatrick]

I thought KSBW put ABC on a digital subchannel.

 

[azumanga]

I thought KSBW put ABC on a digital subchannel.

They did:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KSBW

 

[JeeperOne]

Visiting the506.com, there are links to the ESPN Saturday afternoon football coverage maps, including the affiliates - grantee the quality of the map image isn't great, but you can see the interconnects of stations with satellites.

Not bad, but needs to be updated:
has KTEN WGXA and KHQA digital .2 ABC stations, but is missing KSBW in Salinas/Monterey.

The most glaring "inclusion" is WAKC in Akron, which hasn't been an ABC station since 1998...

J

???

What does this have to do with CLASSIC TV or the subject at hand ??

 

[The King Bee]

ABC changed to their current "Eight-Ball" logo on Sept. 1, 1962. It was first seen on-air with Fall promotions for the 1962-1963 season.

 

[wbhist]

ABC changed to their current "Eight-Ball" logo on Sept. 1, 1962. It was first seen on-air with Fall promotions for the 1962-1963 season.

You sure it was Sept. 1? The earliest (dated) I've seen with the then-new logo from Paul Rand was October of that year.

Incidentally, it was Aug. 27, 1962 that G. Dean Smith's "circle 7" logo showed up anywhere, the first place it was ever shown was at San Francisco ABC O&O KGO-TV. It wasn't until December that that logo appeared in print at the other ABC O&O's.

 

[cd637299]

ABC changed to their current "Eight-Ball" logo on Sept. 1, 1962. It was first seen on-air with Fall promotions for the 1962-1963 season.

You sure it was Sept. 1? The earliest (dated) I've seen with the then-new logo from Paul Rand was October of that year.

Incidentally, it was Aug. 27, 1962 that G. Dean Smith's "circle 7" logo showed up anywhere, the first place it was ever shown was at San Francisco ABC O&O KGO-TV. It wasn't until December that that logo appeared in print at the other ABC O&O's.

ABC's first day of color was, I believe, Sept 23, 1962 ("The Jetsons").....the earliest "color presentation" logo I seem to know was that with the current logo.

That being said, I seem to have seen (maybe on YouTube) a Jetsons promo, still using the lower case "a" logo, with the lower case "abc" inside that "a".

cd

 

[bpatrick]

My guess is that if ABC was airing promos for "The Jetsons"
during the summer of '62, the abc inside the giant "a" was
probably still being used.

 

[hubcity]

This one (1963) has lower-case "abc" within a two-part rectangle, the other part reading "AMERICAN BROADCASTING COMPANY" in all uppercase. I always thought it was an interesting variant, actually.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTIBdawQWNA