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Old WMAK Transmitter Site

A friend of mine recently sent some photos of two abandoned self-supporting towers on Shawnee Rd between North Tonawanda and Lockport. The online research I've done so far indicates this was the transmitter site of WMAK in the 1930s, before it was replaced by WBEN's Grand Island facility. Who can tell us more about the history of this place?

Was it ever used by another broadcast station after WMAK ceased operation? One of the towers appears to have a pole on top, so I wonder if that might have been used by WUSJ-FM before it went silent.

Any clue who owns the property today? There are a few junked vehicles out there; it just looks like they packed up and left fifty years ago and nothing has changed since then.
 
alw said:
Hey Fybush.......this guy is looking for you!

If Freebird is who I think he is, he certainly knows how to find me (and will be doing so shortly!)

I'm not quite as good with Buffalo radio archaeology as I am with Rochester - at least not yet. I'm pretty sure I've identified almost every spot in Monroe County where licensed broadcast RF has ever been emitted (with the exception of mystery 1920s station WOKT, and a few lingering questions about another station from around the same time, WABO), but Buffalo, not so much - and that's even with the help of some lengthy e-mail exchanges with Randy Michaels. (And if HE doesn't know, there's no hope for any of us...)

But as long as we're wondering about Buffalo - what about the WINE site on Niagara Falls Boulevard? Where was that, and what's there now?
 
I think the transmitter site for WINE-WUFO was on Meyer Road off of Niagara Falls Boulevard in Amherst. Also, weren't the WINE studios located on Cuyuga in Williamsville? From the Niagara Falls Blvd location, the transmitter moved to the city behind WUFO's studios at 89 LaSalle in Buffalo. What I also seem to remember was that vandals cut the guy wires and the tower came down (not sure if that was at the Amherst or Buffalo site) and it runs in my mind that this may have been during the very racially turbulent late 1960s, however I could be mistaken. Does anyone remember this?

When I was young, I remember seeing the old WMAK site in Martinsville on Shawnee Road. There were two towers there (maybe for a longwire?). Is there still a tower or two there? I should take a ride up there myself and see.

This would be great information to know. Perhaps there's someone out there that remembers this more clearly.
 
Scott Fybush said:
alw said:
Hey Fybush.......this guy is looking for you!




But as long as we're wondering about Buffalo - what about the WINE site on Niagara Falls Boulevard? Where was that, and what's there now?


I believe that the WINE studios were situated in the area where NF Blvd intersects with the 290. I'll wager that the jocks at the time got to spend time at the ol' Rip Van Winkle Motel. (?)
 
average_listener said:
I think you're referring to the old ship-to-shore station that RCA started years ago, WBL. Check it out here:

http://www.imradioha.org/WBL.htm

aL

We have a winner!

Read a little deeper into that site, and there's a 1968 newspaper article that notes that the 7263 Shawnee Road building and transmission towers "are those used years ago by WBEN and a predecessor station."

There are pictures at that link of the site as it appeared in 2004, taken by Dan Gurzynski, then of Entercom. Sounds like a field trip in the offing. I need my Ted's fix soon, anyway...
 
Re: Old WINE Studios

WINE had its studios at Cayuga and Main St in Williamsville. They were on the second floor with NY Telephone occupying the first floor.
 
average_listener said:
I think you're referring to the old ship-to-shore station that RCA started years ago, WBL. Check it out here:

http://www.imradioha.org/WBL.htm

Thanks very much for the info. This explains the pole atop one of the abandoned towers; it was probably the mount for a VHF marine band antenna.

While browsing the website, I found this 1971-72 map indicating the operator of WBL at that time was "Warner & Tamble Radio Service" of Memphis, which also owned WJG, serving the lower Mississippi:

http://www.imradioha.org/images/AT&T/ATT_1971_Map.jpg

I suppose they were the last owners of the marine station before it went silent.

There must be some old pictures dating back to the WMAK/WBEN days. I would expect that it was a non-directional station with a "flat top" hung between the two towers.
 
PlayFreebird said:
Was it ever used by another broadcast station after WMAK ceased operation? One of the towers appears to have a pole on top, so I wonder if that might have been used by WUSJ-FM before it went silent.
Thanks to Dan Gurzynski and average_listener for the details on this riddle. BTW, the WUSJ-FM (99.3 MHz) bays were mounted atop a three legged self-supporting AM tower at the Michigan Street studio-transmitter site. That tower was taken down around 1972 and replaced by two guyed towers which were erected to accomodate the daytime power increase to 1kW-D.
 
Dan's pictures of the WBL site are great. That is what I remember. I wonder who owns the place and if they would be interested in selling. It would make a really great place to build a radio museum.

Also, again, does anyone remember the story of WUFO's tower being lost when vandals cut the guy wires?
 
Buehly said:
Also, again, does anyone remember the story of WUFO's tower being lost when vandals cut the guy wires?

I remember hearing about it at the time.

I also remember WNIA's feed line being cut one Saturday night in the early 60's. I happened to be listening at the time they went off the air. I believe they were off for a couple of hours. They spliced it together with a clamp like you use on wire rope. The line was a bare copper conductor, unshielded which ran from the back of the building to about halfway up the tower (shunt-fed). The splice was still there in the late 60's when I worked there.

I'd hate to be the one cutting the line while it was hot. RF burns?

aL
 
If I was forced at gunpoint to cut a live line back in the day, and was given the choice... WKBW, WGR, WBEN, WEBR, WHLD, WWOL, WUFO, WYSL, WUSJ, WJJL, WXRL, WDOE or WNIA, I'd definitely go with WNIA! ;D

Does anyone have info on the WUFO tower coming down, when it happened, how long were they off and how did things get back to normal?
 
I got my first shortwave receiver in 1963 and recall hearing WBL on 2514kc and 4412kc (talk about brain sludge). Twice a day, for about 4 or 5 minutes they came on with voice broadcasts of marine weather. The station was clearly identified as "WBL, Buffalo."

Not speaking Morse, I was unaware of the CW transmissions. Nor do I recall ever hearing any "ship to shore" phone conversations, but I guess those were on the marine VHF channels.

Have enjoyed the posts and articles about this tiny bit of Buffalo radio history.

Nick Seneca
 
That old transmitter site on Shawnee Road was still in use by Buffalo Radiomarine until at least 1980 (when I visited it while an operator was on duty), and I'm sure, more recently than that. The frame building where the operator and her transmitters were situated, had some old outlines on the floor which were where the original 1000 watt WBEN transmitters were located before we moved out to Grand Island in 1940 (still on 900 kHz, though upgraded to the final 5,000 watts DA-N--we wouldn't relocate to 930 until March of 1941).

THat shack was not only the old WMAK transmitter location when they were a fulltime station on 900 kHz running CBS programming before they went dark in mid-1930, but when the Buffalo News bought out the original WMAK and (after taking it dark for a couple of months) relaunched it as WBEN on September 8, 1930, that was the first WBEN transmitter site. The towers you saw from Shawnee Road, much-modified over the years, were once the support towers for the longwire that sent WMAK and later WBEN programming out to the world from the late 1920s to 1940.

The WMAK which preceded WBEN on 900 kHz during the 1920s (and may have been Buffalo's real pioneer radio station, possibly even predating WGR by a month or two in 1922) shouldn't be confused with the later daytimer using the same call letters. (That station also went dark, and the callsign later used during the post-World War II era by Nashville, Tennessee's principal Top 40 outlet. None of those later WMAK stations have any link except call letters with the facility that in the fall of 1930 became WBEN.)

I found all this out when Larry Levite and Jim McLaughlin asked me to research WBEN's history as what we believed to be our 50th anniversary was approaching in 1980. And it was indeed our golden anniversary as WBEN...but the predecessor station, the original WMAK, was somehow purged from the official record sometime during the Buffalo News organization's long ownership of the station. We opted to respect tradition and make September 1980 our public golden anniversary celebration date, figuring there must have been a reason, since lost to history, for not counting WMAK as a direct ancestor. I've often wondered what it was. Was the orignal WMAK a station that somehow had acquired a bad name in Buffalo following the onset of the Depression, and did the Butler family (which controlled both the newspaper and the radio station) want to make a fresh start? I know something like that is what happened in Rochester when WXXI acquired its AM station in 1984--and opted not to make any reference in station histories to its predecessor, WSAY, even to this day because of the controversy that surrounded Gordon P. Brown's final years operating WSAY. Could that lopping off of the first eight years of WBEN's history have had the same backstory in those long-forgotten times? Is there anyone out there who knows? We had records back to September 8, 1930 (including WBEN's first license) in our old archives at the transmitter site...but nothing on the prior history of WMAK. Is there someone out there with the records we didn't have, or even some old stories to tell?

The pole atop one of the towers in later years, btw, held some yagis and ground-plane gear for WBL's VHF marine operations.
 
My mother sued to pay my aunt's phone bill for her in the mid 60's..she and I used to go to the old WUFO studios on the second floor of the NY Bell building in Williamsville..The lady at the front desk was nice enough to let me in to watch while my mom went back downstairs to do her business and she and my aunt would go to the Your Host restaurant down the street for coffee.

There were a bunch of pieces of equipment (specifically Spotmaster 505's) that had stenciled W-I-N-E on the backs. I used to stand in a studio behind the control room and watch Gary Byrd, Al Brisbane and the other "BIG WUFFOH" jocks rock the pot on that old Gates yard console..and play 45's on those huge 16" Gates turntables.

After the station moved to the LaSalle site, I remember that tower incident. They were not off alltogether as I recall, but reduced power somewhat, and after sign off that summer they fixed the guy wires. I think it was the section that "would have" caused the tower to colllapse on the studio building if it had snapped the others. I remember going to the "new" sudio building once again to "watch" and the recptionist was really nice to me. She had been awfully upset by that incident. She said something to me that my Mom and I thought was hilarious..her words not mine:

"we're gonna put a big 'lectric fence around there and the next one that tries that will be charcoal broiled and blacker than me"
 
Some of the dots regarding the history of WMAK-WBEN-WGR can be connected using the following links:

WUSJ FM, AM and WLVL historical

and

WGR AM historical

WGR celebrated its historically documented 75th anniversary on May 22, 1997. Thanks to John Zak (WKBW, WGR, WBEN) for providing much of the historical documentation.

The Buffalo Broadcast Pioneers chose to use a photo of Stan Roberts and Buffalo Bills offensive lineman Reggie McKenzie on its WGR web page. A photo or collage of photos that pay tribute to Larry Anderson, Mike Roszman, Frank Benny, Don Dussias, Shiela Murphy, Stan Roberts, Ray Marks and Shane would seem more fitting and respectful.
 
"Then early in the 30s the Federal Communications Commission awarded the frequency to the Buffalo Evening News and WBEN went on the air. WMAK then ceased to exist."

Found out that what actually happened, was that the Butler family purchased the WMAK license and transmitter, took it dark in the summer of 1930, and fired it up on September 8 of that year under the WBEN callsign; records we had,as I mentioned above, said nothing about the station's pre-purchase history but indicate we were using the Statler Hotel studios right from day one until the move to Elmwood Avenue in 1960. It was a pretty straightdorward purchase, nothing more. Still don't know why WMAK's founders (Norton Laboratories, which continued with its core chamical and photo businesses at least through the 1960s) bailed out, how much they got for the station, or why it was dark all through the summer of 1930.
 
"Still don't know why WMAK's founders (Norton Laboratories, which continued with its core chamical and photo businesses at least through the 1960s) bailed out, how much they got for the station, or why it was dark all through the summer of 1930."

Just a guess Bob, it could have ben economics. The stock market crashed in '29 and 1930 was a rough time for businesses and individuals. Probably not a good time to throw money into a new business venture and what was at that time, an unknown technology.

There's an interesting parallel as I read the links. WUSJ-FM signed on shortly after World War II and it too disappeared for alledged lack of interest in FM. The difference is, the years immediately after World War II were a boom time, especially for AM radio. Imagine how the landscape might differ had WUSJ maintained the FM license with its newly licensed AM facility.
 
It would be nice to see WBEN credited for going on the air earlier than 1930. Other stations who were bought or later sold, trace their history back to their beginnings. WBEN should be credited with its lineage as well. Seems the history was written based on the (WBEN) call-letters only and no one changed for the record books. It was always listed in the Broadcasting Yearbook as 1930, and thus, unfortunately history was "officially revised." If you look at the sign on dates of other Buffalo stations (or any pioneering radio stations for that matter), you will find that even those who were silent for a time, re-established, moved frequencies and/or changed call-letters, still credit their original sign on dates.

Just a few examples where the present-day "incarnation" lists its original sign on date:

WEBR (was on 1340, moved to 970, different owners, now WNED-AM and still says it went on the air in 1924)
WYSL/WBNY
WXRL
WNIA (went dark for quite a while. Later became WECK. Still says 1956)
WINE/WUFO (1948)

What year did WMAK go on the air?? Let's give WBEN credit where credit is due! Ok, maybe I am the only one who cares and I probably need to get a life.
 
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