How about 'QCD flipping to Oldies? It could be a possibility - but if CD 101.9 flipped, it would also damage the Smooth Jazz format, like WCBS' flip hurt Oldies.
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Oldies 101.9?
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mlaura1224
Guest
> How about 'QCD flipping to Oldies? It could be a
> possibility - but if CD 101.9 flipped, it would also damage
> the Smooth Jazz format, like WCBS' flip hurt Oldies.
>
> Any comments?
>
It's hard to say at this time. The modifications to the format did not have enough time to mature. Jazz is another limited format on the Commercial side of radio. Jazz music attracts a very loyal crowd of people. I'm sure it would make waves, but not as big as CBS FM. Just my thought on the entire New York radio mess.
> possibility - but if CD 101.9 flipped, it would also damage
> the Smooth Jazz format, like WCBS' flip hurt Oldies.
>
> Any comments?
>
It's hard to say at this time. The modifications to the format did not have enough time to mature. Jazz is another limited format on the Commercial side of radio. Jazz music attracts a very loyal crowd of people. I'm sure it would make waves, but not as big as CBS FM. Just my thought on the entire New York radio mess.
> > How about 'QCD flipping to Oldies? It could be a
> > possibility - but if CD 101.9 flipped, it would also
> damage
> > the Smooth Jazz format, like WCBS' flip hurt Oldies.
> >
> > Any comments?
> >
> It's hard to say at this time. The modifications to the
> format did not have enough time to mature. Jazz is another
> limited format on the Commercial side of radio. Jazz music
> attracts a very loyal crowd of people. I'm sure it would
> make waves, but not as big as CBS FM. Just my thought on the
> entire New York radio mess.
>
WQCD could play oldies on a special show, not 24/7. Same could go for 98.7, but I can't imagine hearing oldies on 97.1 (unless there's DX).<P ID="signature">______________
17-year-old radio geek
Location: Princeton Junction, NJ
AIM: KewlDude471</P>
> > possibility - but if CD 101.9 flipped, it would also
> damage
> > the Smooth Jazz format, like WCBS' flip hurt Oldies.
> >
> > Any comments?
> >
> It's hard to say at this time. The modifications to the
> format did not have enough time to mature. Jazz is another
> limited format on the Commercial side of radio. Jazz music
> attracts a very loyal crowd of people. I'm sure it would
> make waves, but not as big as CBS FM. Just my thought on the
> entire New York radio mess.
>
WQCD could play oldies on a special show, not 24/7. Same could go for 98.7, but I can't imagine hearing oldies on 97.1 (unless there's DX).<P ID="signature">______________
17-year-old radio geek
Location: Princeton Junction, NJ
AIM: KewlDude471</P>
> > > How about 'QCD flipping to Oldies? It could be a
> > > possibility - but if CD 101.9 flipped, it would also
> > damage
> > > the Smooth Jazz format, like WCBS' flip hurt Oldies.
> > >
> > > Any comments?
> > >
> > It's hard to say at this time. The modifications to the
> > format did not have enough time to mature. Jazz is another
>
> > limited format on the Commercial side of radio. Jazz music
>
> > attracts a very loyal crowd of people. I'm sure it would
> > make waves, but not as big as CBS FM. Just my thought on
> the
> > entire New York radio mess.
> >
> WQCD could play oldies on a special show, not 24/7. Same
> could go for 98.7, but I can't imagine hearing oldies on
> 97.1 (unless there's DX).
>
Here's the interesting thing.
IF they flipped 'QCD to oldies, you can move SOME of the Jazz/Chill element over to Kiss-FM since it would serve the same demographics. Same company, wider range of adult urban.
TS
> > > possibility - but if CD 101.9 flipped, it would also
> > damage
> > > the Smooth Jazz format, like WCBS' flip hurt Oldies.
> > >
> > > Any comments?
> > >
> > It's hard to say at this time. The modifications to the
> > format did not have enough time to mature. Jazz is another
>
> > limited format on the Commercial side of radio. Jazz music
>
> > attracts a very loyal crowd of people. I'm sure it would
> > make waves, but not as big as CBS FM. Just my thought on
> the
> > entire New York radio mess.
> >
> WQCD could play oldies on a special show, not 24/7. Same
> could go for 98.7, but I can't imagine hearing oldies on
> 97.1 (unless there's DX).
>
Here's the interesting thing.
IF they flipped 'QCD to oldies, you can move SOME of the Jazz/Chill element over to Kiss-FM since it would serve the same demographics. Same company, wider range of adult urban.
TS
> > > > How about 'QCD flipping to Oldies? It could be a
> > > > possibility - but if CD 101.9 flipped, it would also
> > > damage
> > > > the Smooth Jazz format, like WCBS' flip hurt Oldies.
> > > >
> > > > Any comments?
> > > >
> > > It's hard to say at this time. The modifications to the
> > > format did not have enough time to mature. Jazz is
> another
> >
> > > limited format on the Commercial side of radio. Jazz
> music
> >
> > > attracts a very loyal crowd of people. I'm sure it would
>
> > > make waves, but not as big as CBS FM. Just my thought on
>
> > the
> > > entire New York radio mess.
> > >
> > WQCD could play oldies on a special show, not 24/7. Same
> > could go for 98.7, but I can't imagine hearing oldies on
> > 97.1 (unless there's DX).
> >
>
> Here's the interesting thing.
>
> IF they flipped 'QCD to oldies, you can move SOME of the
> Jazz/Chill element over to Kiss-FM since it would serve the
> same demographics. Same company, wider range of adult
> urban.
>
> TS
>
This was suggested last week after Jack took over CBS FM. So far the two top picks to go oldies are WPLJ and WQCD. It would be interesting, but it would be hard to image New York City without a Smooth Jazz format! <P ID="signature">______________
Kevin</P>
> > > > possibility - but if CD 101.9 flipped, it would also
> > > damage
> > > > the Smooth Jazz format, like WCBS' flip hurt Oldies.
> > > >
> > > > Any comments?
> > > >
> > > It's hard to say at this time. The modifications to the
> > > format did not have enough time to mature. Jazz is
> another
> >
> > > limited format on the Commercial side of radio. Jazz
> music
> >
> > > attracts a very loyal crowd of people. I'm sure it would
>
> > > make waves, but not as big as CBS FM. Just my thought on
>
> > the
> > > entire New York radio mess.
> > >
> > WQCD could play oldies on a special show, not 24/7. Same
> > could go for 98.7, but I can't imagine hearing oldies on
> > 97.1 (unless there's DX).
> >
>
> Here's the interesting thing.
>
> IF they flipped 'QCD to oldies, you can move SOME of the
> Jazz/Chill element over to Kiss-FM since it would serve the
> same demographics. Same company, wider range of adult
> urban.
>
> TS
>
This was suggested last week after Jack took over CBS FM. So far the two top picks to go oldies are WPLJ and WQCD. It would be interesting, but it would be hard to image New York City without a Smooth Jazz format! <P ID="signature">______________
Kevin</P>
> How about 'QCD flipping to Oldies? It could be a
> possibility - but if CD 101.9 flipped, it would also damage
> the Smooth Jazz format, like WCBS' flip hurt Oldies.
>
> Any comments?
>
Carolina radiofan:
Because WCBS-FM is (was) a heritage station, shouldn't we concentrate our energy in petitioning Viacom to bring back the oldies to CBS-FM? There is a petition drive going on at petitionsite.com
It would benefit Infinity if they restored CBS-FM. However, if some else picks up the Oldies, there's no guarantee that this Jack format will be successful. And if it turns out to be a dud, Infinity may have three failing FM stations in New York (WNEW-FM will NOT overtake WKTU) and what will they place on 101.1FM?
Thanks,
Kevin L. Sealy<P ID="signature">______________
Kevin L. Sealy</P>
> possibility - but if CD 101.9 flipped, it would also damage
> the Smooth Jazz format, like WCBS' flip hurt Oldies.
>
> Any comments?
>
Carolina radiofan:
Because WCBS-FM is (was) a heritage station, shouldn't we concentrate our energy in petitioning Viacom to bring back the oldies to CBS-FM? There is a petition drive going on at petitionsite.com
It would benefit Infinity if they restored CBS-FM. However, if some else picks up the Oldies, there's no guarantee that this Jack format will be successful. And if it turns out to be a dud, Infinity may have three failing FM stations in New York (WNEW-FM will NOT overtake WKTU) and what will they place on 101.1FM?
Thanks,
Kevin L. Sealy<P ID="signature">______________
Kevin L. Sealy</P>
> This was suggested last week after Jack took over CBS FM. So
> far the two top picks to go oldies are WPLJ and WQCD. It
> would be interesting, but it would be hard to image New York
> City without a Smooth Jazz format!
>
Well it's harder for me to imagine New York without an Oldies station... and without a standards station ... and even without a country station! There's more variety on the radio dial in Schenectady!
> far the two top picks to go oldies are WPLJ and WQCD. It
> would be interesting, but it would be hard to image New York
> City without a Smooth Jazz format!
>
Well it's harder for me to imagine New York without an Oldies station... and without a standards station ... and even without a country station! There's more variety on the radio dial in Schenectady!
> How about 'QCD flipping to Oldies? It could be a
> possibility - but if CD 101.9 flipped, it would also damage
> the Smooth Jazz format, like WCBS' flip hurt Oldies.
>
> Any comments?
>
If CD 101.9 flipped, there would be no point to me having an FM radio anymore (I should stop saying this, before it happens). Infinity has two other frequencies to play with, let them put the oldies on one of them. Motown could count as "dance" and Bill Haley counts as "great rock," so all Mix and K-Rock need to do now is go even older and render Jack pointless--more pointless than they are now (and keep in mind I like the format slightly). I wonder if Clear Channel asked Infinity to make their stations silly. This is the company that created Radio Free Ohio, after all. *sigh*<P ID="signature">______________
...in my day, you could tell the stations apart by the music they played!</P>
> possibility - but if CD 101.9 flipped, it would also damage
> the Smooth Jazz format, like WCBS' flip hurt Oldies.
>
> Any comments?
>
If CD 101.9 flipped, there would be no point to me having an FM radio anymore (I should stop saying this, before it happens). Infinity has two other frequencies to play with, let them put the oldies on one of them. Motown could count as "dance" and Bill Haley counts as "great rock," so all Mix and K-Rock need to do now is go even older and render Jack pointless--more pointless than they are now (and keep in mind I like the format slightly). I wonder if Clear Channel asked Infinity to make their stations silly. This is the company that created Radio Free Ohio, after all. *sigh*<P ID="signature">______________
...in my day, you could tell the stations apart by the music they played!</P>
> > This was suggested last week after Jack took over CBS FM.
> So
> > far the two top picks to go oldies are WPLJ and WQCD. It
> > would be interesting, but it would be hard to image New
> York
> > City without a Smooth Jazz format!
> >
>
> Well it's harder for me to imagine New York without an
> Oldies station... and without a standards station ... and
> even without a country station! There's more variety on the
> radio dial in Schenectady!
>
If something happens to K-Rock its going to be harder to believe NY doesnt have a modern rock station.
> So
> > far the two top picks to go oldies are WPLJ and WQCD. It
> > would be interesting, but it would be hard to image New
> York
> > City without a Smooth Jazz format!
> >
>
> Well it's harder for me to imagine New York without an
> Oldies station... and without a standards station ... and
> even without a country station! There's more variety on the
> radio dial in Schenectady!
>
If something happens to K-Rock its going to be harder to believe NY doesnt have a modern rock station.
> > This was suggested last week after Jack took over CBS FM.
> So
> > far the two top picks to go oldies are WPLJ and WQCD. It
> > would be interesting, but it would be hard to image New
> York
> > City without a Smooth Jazz format!
> >
>
> Well it's harder for me to imagine New York without an
> Oldies station... and without a standards station ... and
> even without a country station! There's more variety on the
> radio dial in Schenectady!
>
I know! I mean, the largest market in the country can't go without an Oldies station for long.
> So
> > far the two top picks to go oldies are WPLJ and WQCD. It
> > would be interesting, but it would be hard to image New
> York
> > City without a Smooth Jazz format!
> >
>
> Well it's harder for me to imagine New York without an
> Oldies station... and without a standards station ... and
> even without a country station! There's more variety on the
> radio dial in Schenectady!
>
I know! I mean, the largest market in the country can't go without an Oldies station for long.
J
Joseph_Gallant
Guest
Re: Oldies?
I personally doubt New York will get another 24/7 oldies station anytime soon, given how broadcasters have soured on the format.
However, I do think that someone will start-up a once-a-week Saturday-night (7 P.M.-12 Midnight) request-oriented and personality-driven oldies show, likely hosted by one of the displaced WCBS-101.1 personalities. Of coure, it won't be Cousin Brucie (perhaps the best known of the CBS-FM airstaff), but I could see Harry Harrison or Bob Shannon at the helm.
The future of oldies on New York will probably be only one night a week.
I personally doubt New York will get another 24/7 oldies station anytime soon, given how broadcasters have soured on the format.
However, I do think that someone will start-up a once-a-week Saturday-night (7 P.M.-12 Midnight) request-oriented and personality-driven oldies show, likely hosted by one of the displaced WCBS-101.1 personalities. Of coure, it won't be Cousin Brucie (perhaps the best known of the CBS-FM airstaff), but I could see Harry Harrison or Bob Shannon at the helm.
The future of oldies on New York will probably be only one night a week.
Re: Reality about WCBS-FM
>
> Because WCBS-FM is (was) a heritage station, shouldn't we
> concentrate our energy in petitioning Viacom to bring back
> the oldies to CBS-FM? There is a petition drive going on at
> petitionsite.com
>
> It would benefit Infinity if they restored CBS-FM.
How will restoring a station that has lost 20% of its billing since 2000, while the market is up 18% since 1999 be of benefit to Infinity? In addition, WCBS-FM is off by about 30% in 25-54 listening since 2000, so all the indicators show it was declining hopelessly.
I don't know if Jack will work, and I am skeptical, but at least it appeals to demos they can sell.
>
> Because WCBS-FM is (was) a heritage station, shouldn't we
> concentrate our energy in petitioning Viacom to bring back
> the oldies to CBS-FM? There is a petition drive going on at
> petitionsite.com
>
> It would benefit Infinity if they restored CBS-FM.
How will restoring a station that has lost 20% of its billing since 2000, while the market is up 18% since 1999 be of benefit to Infinity? In addition, WCBS-FM is off by about 30% in 25-54 listening since 2000, so all the indicators show it was declining hopelessly.
I don't know if Jack will work, and I am skeptical, but at least it appeals to demos they can sell.
Re: Reality about WCBS-FM
Hmmm. Same could be said about a great many stations that have flipped since 2000 and billing half of what they were then, there's plenty of them. "We;re building a new radio station" is a nice cover for stupid moves. A bad move is a bad move and this is a bad move.
> >
> > Because WCBS-FM is (was) a heritage station, shouldn't we
> > concentrate our energy in petitioning Viacom to bring back
>
> > the oldies to CBS-FM? There is a petition drive going on
> at
> > petitionsite.com
> >
> > It would benefit Infinity if they restored CBS-FM.
>
> How will restoring a station that has lost 20% of its
> billing since 2000, while the market is up 18% since 1999 be
> of benefit to Infinity? In addition, WCBS-FM is off by about
> 30% in 25-54 listening since 2000, so all the indicators
> show it was declining hopelessly.
>
> I don't know if Jack will work, and I am skeptical, but at
> least it appeals to demos they can sell.
>
Hmmm. Same could be said about a great many stations that have flipped since 2000 and billing half of what they were then, there's plenty of them. "We;re building a new radio station" is a nice cover for stupid moves. A bad move is a bad move and this is a bad move.
> >
> > Because WCBS-FM is (was) a heritage station, shouldn't we
> > concentrate our energy in petitioning Viacom to bring back
>
> > the oldies to CBS-FM? There is a petition drive going on
> at
> > petitionsite.com
> >
> > It would benefit Infinity if they restored CBS-FM.
>
> How will restoring a station that has lost 20% of its
> billing since 2000, while the market is up 18% since 1999 be
> of benefit to Infinity? In addition, WCBS-FM is off by about
> 30% in 25-54 listening since 2000, so all the indicators
> show it was declining hopelessly.
>
> I don't know if Jack will work, and I am skeptical, but at
> least it appeals to demos they can sell.
>
Re: Oldies?
> I personally doubt New York will get another 24/7 oldies
> station anytime soon, given how broadcasters have soured on
> the format.
>
> However, I do think that someone will start-up a once-a-week
> Saturday-night (7 P.M.-12 Midnight) request-oriented and
> personality-driven oldies show, likely hosted by one of the
> displaced WCBS-101.1 personalities. Of coure, it won't be
> Cousin Brucie (perhaps the best known of the CBS-FM
> airstaff), but I could see Harry Harrison or Bob Shannon at
> the helm.
>
> The future of oldies on New York will probably be only one
> night a week.
>
Perhaps Lite FM or WABC will have an oldies show. PLJ is a possibility. Also, I miss listening to Bobby Jay.<P ID="signature">______________
Kevin</P>
> I personally doubt New York will get another 24/7 oldies
> station anytime soon, given how broadcasters have soured on
> the format.
>
> However, I do think that someone will start-up a once-a-week
> Saturday-night (7 P.M.-12 Midnight) request-oriented and
> personality-driven oldies show, likely hosted by one of the
> displaced WCBS-101.1 personalities. Of coure, it won't be
> Cousin Brucie (perhaps the best known of the CBS-FM
> airstaff), but I could see Harry Harrison or Bob Shannon at
> the helm.
>
> The future of oldies on New York will probably be only one
> night a week.
>
Perhaps Lite FM or WABC will have an oldies show. PLJ is a possibility. Also, I miss listening to Bobby Jay.<P ID="signature">______________
Kevin</P>
A
am-fm
Guest
Re: Oldies?
> Perhaps Lite FM or WABC will have an oldies show. PLJ is a
> possibility. Also, I miss listening to Bobby Jay.
Personally, Bobby Jay and Don K Reed were the two jocks that I enjoyed listeing too the most (aside from Dan Ingram). I hope they land on their feet.
<P ID="signature">______________
AOL IM: wnjoldies or jamminoldies105
Oldies Board co-moderator</P>
> Perhaps Lite FM or WABC will have an oldies show. PLJ is a
> possibility. Also, I miss listening to Bobby Jay.
Personally, Bobby Jay and Don K Reed were the two jocks that I enjoyed listeing too the most (aside from Dan Ingram). I hope they land on their feet.
<P ID="signature">______________
AOL IM: wnjoldies or jamminoldies105
Oldies Board co-moderator</P>
O
OldiesCat
Guest
only on the weekend?
isn't a shame we're now talking about maybe looking forward to an Oldies show on the weekend? Sad and tragic.
Thomas- get that pirate Oldies station of yours on-the-air, willya?
> > Perhaps Lite FM or WABC will have an oldies show. PLJ is a
>
> > possibility. Also, I miss listening to Bobby Jay.
>
> Personally, Bobby Jay and Don K Reed were the two jocks that
> I enjoyed listeing too the most (aside from Dan Ingram). I
> hope they land on their feet.
>
isn't a shame we're now talking about maybe looking forward to an Oldies show on the weekend? Sad and tragic.
Thomas- get that pirate Oldies station of yours on-the-air, willya?
> > Perhaps Lite FM or WABC will have an oldies show. PLJ is a
>
> > possibility. Also, I miss listening to Bobby Jay.
>
> Personally, Bobby Jay and Don K Reed were the two jocks that
> I enjoyed listeing too the most (aside from Dan Ingram). I
> hope they land on their feet.
>
Re: Reality about WCBS-FM
Eventually they would have needed to do something with WCBS FM, no question about it. Was this the right move? Only time will tell, but Infinity did have more dire situations with NEW & K-Rock. New is still strulling, and its only sucess in the last 15 years has revolved around Opie & Anthony. K-Rock did go through a change recently, but they are dead in the water once Stern leaves. Granted its a smaller market, but its quite amazing in the stark differences between the decisions Infinity has mad with their fm stations in Hartford (which have done very well) & their stations in NYC.
> Hmmm. Same could be said about a great many stations that
> have flipped since 2000 and billing half of what they were
> then, there's plenty of them. "We;re building a new radio
> station" is a nice cover for stupid moves. A bad move is a
> bad move and this is a bad move.
>
>
> > >
> > > Because WCBS-FM is (was) a heritage station, shouldn't
> we
> > > concentrate our energy in petitioning Viacom to bring
> back
> >
> > > the oldies to CBS-FM? There is a petition drive going on
>
> > at
> > > petitionsite.com
> > >
> > > It would benefit Infinity if they restored CBS-FM.
> >
> > How will restoring a station that has lost 20% of its
> > billing since 2000, while the market is up 18% since 1999
> be
> > of benefit to Infinity? In addition, WCBS-FM is off by
> about
> > 30% in 25-54 listening since 2000, so all the indicators
> > show it was declining hopelessly.
> >
> > I don't know if Jack will work, and I am skeptical, but at
>
> > least it appeals to demos they can sell.
> >
>
Eventually they would have needed to do something with WCBS FM, no question about it. Was this the right move? Only time will tell, but Infinity did have more dire situations with NEW & K-Rock. New is still strulling, and its only sucess in the last 15 years has revolved around Opie & Anthony. K-Rock did go through a change recently, but they are dead in the water once Stern leaves. Granted its a smaller market, but its quite amazing in the stark differences between the decisions Infinity has mad with their fm stations in Hartford (which have done very well) & their stations in NYC.
> Hmmm. Same could be said about a great many stations that
> have flipped since 2000 and billing half of what they were
> then, there's plenty of them. "We;re building a new radio
> station" is a nice cover for stupid moves. A bad move is a
> bad move and this is a bad move.
>
>
> > >
> > > Because WCBS-FM is (was) a heritage station, shouldn't
> we
> > > concentrate our energy in petitioning Viacom to bring
> back
> >
> > > the oldies to CBS-FM? There is a petition drive going on
>
> > at
> > > petitionsite.com
> > >
> > > It would benefit Infinity if they restored CBS-FM.
> >
> > How will restoring a station that has lost 20% of its
> > billing since 2000, while the market is up 18% since 1999
> be
> > of benefit to Infinity? In addition, WCBS-FM is off by
> about
> > 30% in 25-54 listening since 2000, so all the indicators
> > show it was declining hopelessly.
> >
> > I don't know if Jack will work, and I am skeptical, but at
>
> > least it appeals to demos they can sell.
> >
>
Re: Reality about WCBS-FM
So let's just destroy it, take down about 20 million in billing and what? Call it a success? A better move for the future? What's the logic in less billing? What's the logic in less money to the bottom line period? Poor excuses for poor moves. It's a stupid move. It's an idiotic concept. Call it for what it is. Of I'm wrong in a year I'm wrong but I doubt it.
> Eventually they would have needed to do something with WCBS
> FM, no question about it. Was this the right move? Only
> time will tell, but Infinity did have more dire situations
> with NEW & K-Rock. New is still strulling, and its only
> sucess in the last 15 years has revolved around Opie &
> Anthony. K-Rock did go through a change recently, but they
> are dead in the water once Stern leaves. Granted its a
> smaller market, but its quite amazing in the stark
> differences between the decisions Infinity has mad with
> their fm stations in Hartford (which have done very well) &
> their stations in NYC.
>
>
> > Hmmm. Same could be said about a great many stations that
> > have flipped since 2000 and billing half of what they were
>
> > then, there's plenty of them. "We;re building a new radio
> > station" is a nice cover for stupid moves. A bad move is a
>
> > bad move and this is a bad move.
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > Because WCBS-FM is (was) a heritage station, shouldn't
>
> > we
> > > > concentrate our energy in petitioning Viacom to bring
> > back
> > >
> > > > the oldies to CBS-FM? There is a petition drive going
> on
> >
> > > at
> > > > petitionsite.com
> > > >
> > > > It would benefit Infinity if they restored CBS-FM.
> > >
> > > How will restoring a station that has lost 20% of its
> > > billing since 2000, while the market is up 18% since
> 1999
> > be
> > > of benefit to Infinity? In addition, WCBS-FM is off by
> > about
> > > 30% in 25-54 listening since 2000, so all the
> indicators
> > > show it was declining hopelessly.
> > >
> > > I don't know if Jack will work, and I am skeptical, but
> at
> >
> > > least it appeals to demos they can sell.
> > >
> >
>
So let's just destroy it, take down about 20 million in billing and what? Call it a success? A better move for the future? What's the logic in less billing? What's the logic in less money to the bottom line period? Poor excuses for poor moves. It's a stupid move. It's an idiotic concept. Call it for what it is. Of I'm wrong in a year I'm wrong but I doubt it.
> Eventually they would have needed to do something with WCBS
> FM, no question about it. Was this the right move? Only
> time will tell, but Infinity did have more dire situations
> with NEW & K-Rock. New is still strulling, and its only
> sucess in the last 15 years has revolved around Opie &
> Anthony. K-Rock did go through a change recently, but they
> are dead in the water once Stern leaves. Granted its a
> smaller market, but its quite amazing in the stark
> differences between the decisions Infinity has mad with
> their fm stations in Hartford (which have done very well) &
> their stations in NYC.
>
>
> > Hmmm. Same could be said about a great many stations that
> > have flipped since 2000 and billing half of what they were
>
> > then, there's plenty of them. "We;re building a new radio
> > station" is a nice cover for stupid moves. A bad move is a
>
> > bad move and this is a bad move.
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > Because WCBS-FM is (was) a heritage station, shouldn't
>
> > we
> > > > concentrate our energy in petitioning Viacom to bring
> > back
> > >
> > > > the oldies to CBS-FM? There is a petition drive going
> on
> >
> > > at
> > > > petitionsite.com
> > > >
> > > > It would benefit Infinity if they restored CBS-FM.
> > >
> > > How will restoring a station that has lost 20% of its
> > > billing since 2000, while the market is up 18% since
> 1999
> > be
> > > of benefit to Infinity? In addition, WCBS-FM is off by
> > about
> > > 30% in 25-54 listening since 2000, so all the
> indicators
> > > show it was declining hopelessly.
> > >
> > > I don't know if Jack will work, and I am skeptical, but
> at
> >
> > > least it appeals to demos they can sell.
> > >
> >
>
M
Mouth1390
Guest
Re: Reality about WCBS-FM
> So let's just destroy it, take down about 20 million in
> billing and what? Call it a success? A better move for the
> future? What's the logic in less billing? What's the logic
> in less money to the bottom line period? Poor excuses for
> poor moves. It's a stupid move. It's an idiotic concept.
> Call it for what it is. Of I'm wrong in a year I'm wrong but
> I doubt it.
>
Put aside, for a moment, the sales problem David Eduardo's discussed and that I agree with. It seems to me that Oldies is a hard format to prosper with in a market that is ratings driven. Put another way, in suburban markets sales are typically generated off the street through local, direct retail sales. The Account Executive meets with the business owner, makes the pitch and seals the deal without an advertising agency getting in the way. You can make a very persuasive argument that Oldies listeners are viable consumers who happen to control the lions share of disposable income. And that point will not fall on the deaf ears of a very youthful buyer looking for cover their backside. In a market that is ratings driven, you are at the agency's mercy.
I suspect that Oldies, like Adult/Standards, will be a suburban format. And remember, in spite of its popularity, Country has never survived economically in New York City.
> So let's just destroy it, take down about 20 million in
> billing and what? Call it a success? A better move for the
> future? What's the logic in less billing? What's the logic
> in less money to the bottom line period? Poor excuses for
> poor moves. It's a stupid move. It's an idiotic concept.
> Call it for what it is. Of I'm wrong in a year I'm wrong but
> I doubt it.
>
Put aside, for a moment, the sales problem David Eduardo's discussed and that I agree with. It seems to me that Oldies is a hard format to prosper with in a market that is ratings driven. Put another way, in suburban markets sales are typically generated off the street through local, direct retail sales. The Account Executive meets with the business owner, makes the pitch and seals the deal without an advertising agency getting in the way. You can make a very persuasive argument that Oldies listeners are viable consumers who happen to control the lions share of disposable income. And that point will not fall on the deaf ears of a very youthful buyer looking for cover their backside. In a market that is ratings driven, you are at the agency's mercy.
I suspect that Oldies, like Adult/Standards, will be a suburban format. And remember, in spite of its popularity, Country has never survived economically in New York City.
A
am-fm
Guest
Re: only on the weekend?
> isn't a shame we're now talking about maybe looking forward
> to an Oldies show on the weekend? Sad and tragic.
>
> Thomas- get that pirate Oldies station of yours on-the-air,
> willya?
>
>
As soon as I get paid, the 20 watts of oldies power will be on the air....
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> isn't a shame we're now talking about maybe looking forward
> to an Oldies show on the weekend? Sad and tragic.
>
> Thomas- get that pirate Oldies station of yours on-the-air,
> willya?
>
>
As soon as I get paid, the 20 watts of oldies power will be on the air....
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CBS-FM lives at http://67.83.115.5:8010
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