Oldies 92.3?

[nd2023]

Is it possible that the oldies format could return to NYC on 92.3 after Howard Stern leaves?<P ID="signature">______________
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Location: Princeton Junction, NJ
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[MoldaMania182]

> Is it possible that the oldies format could return to NYC on
> 92.3 after Howard Stern leaves?
>

I seriously doubt the oldies format is coming back to NY in any fashion. The same will likely be the case for modern rock soon. What happens to WXRK will remain a mystery till 1/06.

 

[Garrett]

Is any frequency fair game?

Hey, not to get picky or anything, but we going to speculate about every frequency in NY going oldies?
I mean, it was good question at first, but every day, I see another: 103.5 Oldies? 102.7 Oldies?

At this point, I'm suprised I haven't read a post that said: "Oldies100.3?" yet...

Now as for all this business of a replacement oldies station, you have to figure that if it was going to happen, it would have happened right now. Don't get the wrong idea, I'm a BIG supporter of CBS FM, and I have a HUGE aircheck to share with Classicradionut soon. CBS FM is a GREAT radio station! But don't forget how big the NYC market is. With all the stations available, and all the people who live in NYC, if there was going to be an Oldies replacement, it would have happened already. At this point, I would conclude that nobody wants to touch the format. The only thing I can think of is CC possibly switching 103.5 to Oldies, sinc CCU is the biggiest holder of the format (and has had some success with the "Kool" clones). But that said, don't hold your breath, at least not for a book or two. I really think IBOC will be the best chance to get the oldies back, IMHO.

 

[pqgeorge]

I doubt "Oldies 92.3" will be the case. I have a strong suspicion that WCBS-FM will eventually return to the oldies format. The "JACK" format is nothing more than the latest fad of "designer" formats. But what do you expect from Infinity. These are the same people who brought you "Blink" and "Blink II" and now "The All New Mix 102.7". Don't forget, WOGL in Philadelphia is really on its' second tour of duty as an oldies station. WCAU-FM/98.1 was an oldies station until the time Disco bloomed in the late 70's. What did they do? The went to "Fascinatin' Rhythm", all disco all the time. It faded faster than you say "Blink". Next they went with "Hot Hits!", a very exciting Top-10 format (because THAT'S basically all they played). It eventually died. It burned itself out. Then, WCAU-FM became WOGL in 1987 and brought back the oldies. Today it is still a great sounding station.

When the suits in Infinity see that their bottom line is beginning to drop as a result of some pretty stupid moves, a-la WCBS-FM's "JACKASS" format, they will have to answer to their stockholders. Radio is currently in a state of flux. This is the "fork in the road". Either you pay attention to your audience, or your audience will talk back to you in the form of Sirius or XM subscriptions.

I'm honestly seriously considering the move to Sirius.

> > Is it possible that the oldies format could return to NYC
> on
> > 92.3 after Howard Stern leaves?
> >
>
> I seriously doubt the oldies format is coming back to NY in
> any fashion. The same will likely be the case for modern
> rock soon. What happens to WXRK will remain a mystery till
> 1/06.
> <P ID="signature">______________
Peter Q. George (K1XRB)
Whitman, Massachusetts</P>

 

[DiamondJoe]

The Future of 92.3...

As I said in the past, Infinity would likely not bring back a format it blew out, on a sister station.

As far as what to expect on 92.3, click here for a recent post on my predictions.<P ID="signature">______________


New York City Radio and TV</P>

 

[OldiesCat]

92.3

Agreed- that is a LOT of trouble, time and expense to go through. If they were going to do that, just go JACK on 92.3 now w/Howard in mornings 'till he's done
and kept Oldies on CBS-FM.

> As I said in the past, Infinity would likely not bring back
> a format it blew out, on a sister station.
>
> As far as what to expect on 92.3, click here for a recent
> post on my predictions.
>

 

[classicradionut]

Re: Is any frequency fair game?

At the risk of offending my friends here, I have to point out that most of us are geeks and pay way too much attention to this compared with the average listener.

That said, I don't believe Oldies as we've known it is returning to New York City anytime soon, if ever again. Perhaps in New Jersey. Perhaps CT. But not in Manhattan.

You guys remember almost three years ago, when first WSAI, then WWKB decided to go 'Real Oldies', playing the music that the traditional Oldies stations abandoned? This was an experiment that the whole industry watched carefully. Was it the music? I think the answer was a resounding 'NO'. To advertisers and the general public, it was a quaint fad. To those of us who love the format, the personalities and the music, it was something to revere and some of us became fiercely loyal to the stations. Now, there's two stations still doing the format - somewhat. AM 1690 is still Real Oldies, and still owned by Clear Channel. It's literally got to be an act of God that it's still around, but we'll take it. WWKB is still doing it's KB Klassics reenactment and it STILL sounds great, even if the music isn't *quite* the same 50s only do-wop that the others tried. But the ratings are and were no barn burners, and these stations have their niche in their respective markets.

I wrote that to continue about CBS-FM, and just about all Oldies formats nationwide. Advertisers don't care about those upper demos anymore. They don't. Sales are down. For whatever reason the so-called experts want to give us, they don't want to advertise on stations catering to the upper end of the listening audience. Is it foolish as some of you suggest? I believe so, for all the same reason as have been spoken. But broadcasters are in business to make money. And, thanks to consolidation, they all have stockholders who demand instant and decent profits all the time. So, a station that may even have decent ratings isn't immune to a format change to something that media buyers will take notice of.

You know, I understand the reasons why, but this just totally BLOWS. It's those formatics, those disc jockeys and the whole aura of what was WCBS-FM, and stations whose format it imitated that got me hooked on radio in the first place. I hate this, for so many reasons, but not the least of which is that radio has become so damned antiseptic in it's presentation of whatever music the stations are playing. So, as one so called expert 'explained' to me - CBS-FM to JACK-FM isn't the start of a trend, it's the final nail in radio that WE like's coffin.

At least we still have it available online, and no, I don't mean the Infinity internet version. More audio to come.

> Hey, not to get picky or anything, but we going to speculate
> about every frequency in NY going oldies?
> I mean, it was good question at first, but every day, I see
> another: 103.5 Oldies? 102.7 Oldies?
>
> At this point, I'm suprised I haven't read a post that said:
> "Oldies100.3?" yet...
>
> Now as for all this business of a replacement oldies
> station, you have to figure that if it was going to happen,
> it would have happened right now. Don't get the wrong idea,
> I'm a BIG supporter of CBS FM, and I have a HUGE aircheck to
> share with Classicradionut soon. CBS FM is a GREAT radio
> station! But don't forget how big the NYC market is. With
> all the stations available, and all the people who live in
> NYC, if there was going to be an Oldies replacement, it
> would have happened already. At this point, I would conclude
> that nobody wants to touch the format. The only thing I can
> think of is CC possibly switching 103.5 to Oldies, sinc CCU
> is the biggiest holder of the format (and has had some
> success with the "Kool" clones). But that said, don't hold
> your breath, at least not for a book or two. I really think
> IBOC will be the best chance to get the oldies back, IMHO.
> <P ID="signature">______________
</P>

 

[radiolover78]

> Is it possible that the oldies format could return to NYC on
> 92.3 after Howard Stern leaves?
>

Oldies will not return to 92.3 or on any other Infinity station since they blew up WCBS FM. <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by radiolover78 on 06/13/05 12:01 AM.</FONT></P>

 

[OldiesCat]

it's the truth

Hate to say this, but I fear you're right. In a market like NYC (and I sure as heck hope I'm 100% wrong) all the stations (capable of a great signal and big resources) are owned by the 'biggies'. And in today's lemming-like industry, CBS-FM dumping Oldies is like a big green-light signal to others around the country contemplating doing the same to do it. And, it's like a big fat red light to those thinking of being the knight in shining armor and bring Oldies back ("the format MUST be dead if Infinity killed markets #1 and #2 in the same day!").

And it does totally blow. (and I hope we're ALL wrong on this one).
>
> That said, I don't believe Oldies as we've known it is
> returning to New York City anytime soon, if ever again.
> Perhaps in New Jersey. Perhaps CT. But not in Manhattan.
>
> You guys remember almost three years ago, when first WSAI,
> then WWKB decided to go 'Real Oldies', playing the music
> that the traditional Oldies stations abandoned? This was an
> experiment that the whole industry watched carefully. Was
> it the music? I think the answer was a resounding 'NO'. To
> advertisers and the general public, it was a quaint fad. To
> those of us who love the format, the personalities and the
> music, it was something to revere and some of us became
> fiercely loyal to the stations. Now, there's two stations
> still doing the format - somewhat. AM 1690 is still Real
> Oldies, and still owned by Clear Channel. It's literally
> got to be an act of God that it's still around, but we'll
> take it. WWKB is still doing it's KB Klassics reenactment
> and it STILL sounds great, even if the music isn't *quite*
> the same 50s only do-wop that the others tried. But the
> ratings are and were no barn burners, and these stations
> have their niche in their respective markets.
>
> I wrote that to continue about CBS-FM, and just about all
> Oldies formats nationwide. Advertisers don't care about
> those upper demos anymore. They don't. Sales are down.
> For whatever reason the so-called experts want to give us,
> they don't want to advertise on stations catering to the
> upper end of the listening audience. Is it foolish as some
> of you suggest? I believe so, for all the same reason as
> have been spoken. But broadcasters are in business to make
> money. And, thanks to consolidation, they all have
> stockholders who demand instant and decent profits all the
> time. So, a station that may even have decent ratings isn't
> immune to a format change to something that media buyers
> will take notice of.
>
> You know, I understand the reasons why, but this just
> totally BLOWS. It's those formatics, those disc jockeys and
> the whole aura of what was WCBS-FM, and stations whose
> format it imitated that got me hooked on radio in the first
> place. I hate this, for so many reasons, but not the least
> of which is that radio has become so damned antiseptic in
> it's presentation of whatever music the stations are
> playing. So, as one so called expert 'explained' to me -
> CBS-FM to JACK-FM isn't the start of a trend, it's the final
> nail in radio that WE like's coffin.
>
> At least we still have it available online, and no, I don't
> mean the Infinity internet version. More audio to come.
>
> > Hey, not to get picky or anything, but we going to
> speculate
> > about every frequency in NY going oldies?
> > I mean, it was good question at first, but every day, I
> see
> > another: 103.5 Oldies? 102.7 Oldies?
> >
> > At this point, I'm suprised I haven't read a post that
> said:
> > "Oldies100.3?" yet...
> >
> > Now as for all this business of a replacement oldies
> > station, you have to figure that if it was going to
> happen,
> > it would have happened right now. Don't get the wrong
> idea,
> > I'm a BIG supporter of CBS FM, and I have a HUGE aircheck
> to
> > share with Classicradionut soon. CBS FM is a GREAT radio
> > station! But don't forget how big the NYC market is. With
> > all the stations available, and all the people who live in
>
> > NYC, if there was going to be an Oldies replacement, it
> > would have happened already. At this point, I would
> conclude
> > that nobody wants to touch the format. The only thing I
> can
> > think of is CC possibly switching 103.5 to Oldies, sinc
> CCU
> > is the biggiest holder of the format (and has had some
> > success with the "Kool" clones). But that said, don't hold
>
> > your breath, at least not for a book or two. I really
> think
> > IBOC will be the best chance to get the oldies back, IMHO.
>
> >
>