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Oldies 98 and Oldies 1210

I'm curious 'bout a few things.
I hear Oldies 98 and Oldies 1210 were programmed slightly different at certain parts of the day.
When was this and what were the differences?
I know Oldies 98 simmocast on 1210 for a portion of the day, but i thought the FCC ruled out simmocasting on the AM and FM bands at some point in the 60's?
What happend to these jocks?
Charrly Bennit (After leaving WPEN/Real Oldies)
Mike ST. John
Captin Bill (that used to do traffic mornings with Don Kannon
Jenifer Stevens
Scott Graham? (used to do sports, with Don)
Thanks
John
 
John Holcomb II said:
I'm curious 'bout a few things.
I hear Oldies 98 and Oldies 1210 were programmed slightly different at certain parts of the day.
When was this and what were the differences?
I know Oldies 98 simmocast on 1210 for a portion of the day, but i thought the FCC ruled out simmocasting on the AM and FM bands at some point in the 60's?
What happend to these jocks?
Charrly Bennit (After leaving WPEN/Real Oldies)
Mike ST. John
Captin Bill (that used to do traffic mornings with Don Kannon
Jenifer Stevens
Scott Graham? (used to do sports, with Don)
Thanks
John

Mornings: Simulcast with OGL-FM
Middays: Hy Lit and Harvey Holliday - music was 50s and 60s
Afternoons: Believe was simulcast with OGL-FM
Evenings: Phillies baseball and maybe Sports ByLine USA w/ Ron Barr.
Overnights and weekends: Simulcast with WOGL-FM, Phillies baseball

As far as the old OGL air talent:

Don Cannon: retired
Mike St. John: Weekends WMVB/WSNJ: Cumberland County, NJ
Charlie Bennett: now at RadioPhillyStyle.com (run by Diamond Jim Nettleton and featuring the WPEN Oldies jock line up of Bennett, Nettleton, Christy Springfield, Kim "McClintock" Martin and perhaps others).
Scott Graham: Occasional voice-over for NFL Films
 
The rules governing AM/FM simulcasts were wiped out long ago. In the bad economic downturn of the early 90's many AM's were gutted and then 100% simulcast with their sister FM's until Rush and reliable automation came along.
I know one station in the Berkshires (Mass.) that still simulcasts as their AM has much better coverage in their very mountainous market. Nice to hear music on AM sometimes.

John Holcomb II said:
I know Oldies 98 simmocast on 1210 for a portion of the day, but i thought the FCC ruled out simmocasting on the AM and FM bands at some point in the 60's?
 
The simulcast rules do not apply to an AM - FM simulcast, only to an AM - AM or FM - FM simulcast. The AM - AM and FM - FM simulcast rules prohibit any more than 25% duplication in a 24 hour period if the simulcasting facilities have more than a 50% overlap of city grade facilities (5 mV/m AM or 70 dBu FM). The AM - FM simulcast rule dates back to the 40's when FM began when many FM's repeated the programming on their sister AM's.

KF
 
Kevin, I thought that rule went away when the AM/FM simulcast rules did. In fact in "The public and broadcasting" the FCC makes clear they no authority to regulate content as long as it's not obscene or indecent. I could be wrong, though. Is it still on the books?


Kevin Fitzgerald said:
The simulcast rules do not apply to an AM - FM simulcast, only to an AM - AM or FM - FM simulcast. The AM - AM and FM - FM simulcast rules prohibit any more than 25% duplication in a 24 hour period if the simulcasting facilities have more than a 50% overlap of city grade facilities (5 mV/m AM or 70 dBu FM). The AM - FM simulcast rule dates back to the 40's when FM began when many FM's repeated the programming on their sister AM's.

KF
 
Kevin,
How is it that 106.1 and 104.5 simulcasted as they did then? Both are sisters, and both had the same city grade coverage. Same with WMGK when it was on WTHK.
Are these rules that are still on the books but not reprramanded if broke?
John
 
John Holcomb II said:
Kevin,
How is it that 106.1 and 104.5 simulcasted as they did then? Both are sisters, and both had the same city grade coverage. Same with WMGK when it was on WTHK.
Are these rules that are still on the books but not reprramanded if broke?
John

I remember that question coming up on this very board at the time that Sunny went dark (pun intended) and simulcast My106.1 for a few days. The response from the board was that the "simulcast" could be deemed separate due to some delays which were built into the relay, in addition to the complete distinction between the two stations call letters, commercials and sweepers, even though they were playing the same consecutive playlists, albeit some seconds apart. However, I am not sure if this opinion of someone on the radio-info board had anything to do with the law, or what actually took place, but it was used as a recourse for what otherwise considered by many of us to be an fcc faux pas.
 
I c that an earlier poster is wrong as usual! Mike St. John is not on the air in NJ if so where are the facts 2 this? There website has nothing that even mentions him yet alone hes not on there schedule at all! Last i heard mike gave up radio all together. If anyone knows where he is please let me know. I grew up listening to him & miss his style! As for Jennifer Stephens she was working in Chicago doin traffic & news in the morning for scott mackay on 94.7 up until a few mths ago as of now i have no clue!
 
I looked up the simulcast rules on the FCC website (in the shortcut drop down box under the media bureau section of the website) and these rules are still on the books. Traditionally, one would count by the week which would be 25% of the hours in a week. They could get away with this for a few days. The delay thing would not work, it is mentioned in the FCC rule as unacceptable.

KF
 
ryan duran said:
I c that an earlier poster is wrong as usual! Mike St. John is not on the air in NJ if so where are the facts 2 this? There website has nothing that even mentions him yet alone hes not on there schedule at all! Last i heard mike gave up radio all together.

Well, excuse me, "Mister Perfect". It's not like I check the WSNJ/WMVB website on a daily basis. At one time, he did have a show, I think called "Treasure Trove of Oldies", or something to that effect. Which station/format/music genre of yours did I bash, pray tell?
 
Kevin Fitzgerald said:
I looked up the simulcast rules on the FCC website (in the shortcut drop down box under the media bureau section of the website) and these rules are still on the books. Traditionally, one would count by the week which would be 25% of the hours in a week. They could get away with this for a few days. The delay thing would not work, it is mentioned in the FCC rule as unacceptable.

KF

I believe the term used in the business is "shadowcasting".
 
Rocking Rob,

I wouldn't waste too much time on anyone incapable of second-grade English. (Folks, it's a discussion forum-- not a text message. The few in radio still in a position of hiring do read these boards. I know I'D never hire anyone who pluralizes words with the letter "Z", uses the numerals "2" and "4" instead of "to" and "for", and types "there" when he means "their"-- but that's just me.)

As for the simulcast rules, what is the ultimate clarification on an AM/FM within the same market? (I know an earlier postor said it was allowed, but others have said it's not.) I remember Jerry Lee running Eazy 101 on WFIL around the clock less than 20 years ago. As far as I know, there's always been a small-market exemption (obviously inapplicable to Philadelphia) that would explain how WSNJ and WSNJ-FM simulcast all those decades.

WOGL (AM) ran its own afternoon drive programming; simulcasts with the FM were limited to mornings, overnights, and weekends in the beginning. By the end in 1994, only Don Cannon was simulcast. Satellite Sports Talk (ASRN) was cleared overnights and weekends, and began to outrate the oldies themselves on what was still being called Oldies 1210. I know 1991 the midday/afternoon/early evening combination of Hy Lit, Harvey Holliday, and Bill Wright Sr. playing oldies on average a decade earlier proved a nice alternative to WOGL-FM (and managed to steal what few listeners WPGR had remaining; Pyramid would sell the station soon thereafter).

Don't forget, just two weeks or so after WCAU was killed, CBS restored Sportsline to 1210 weeknights. Steve Fredericks wasn't brought back, but Don Henderson (who had been Tony Bruno's morning sports guy toward the end of 'CAU) was. A few months later he was replaced with a relatively unknown former WAMS Wilmington personality named Scott Graham. Sportsline was quietly discontinued around 1992 and replaced with Ron Barr's syndicated show; Graham would be brought back in 1994 to do afternoons on the new WGMP with Neil Hartman and Big Daddy Graham (the latter of which was a frequent Bruno fill-in on WCAU, and had been doing some fill-in on WWDB).

Charlie Bennett is still in the area, and in addition to being on Radio Philly Style as Rocking Rob pointed out, still hosts Saturday nights at Michael's Cafe in Bensalem. I recall Mike St. John going briefly to WNJO in the late '90s, then being brought back to WOGL-FM for a short time.

There were five Oldies stations in Philadelphia in the few-year span of the late '80s/early '90s, and that doesn't count AC stations Sunny, Kiss, and Magic (which at various times during that frame were very heavy on the music themselves).
 
George Brusstar said:
Charlie Bennett is still in the area, and in addition to being on Radio Philly Style as Rocking Rob pointed out, still hosts Saturday nights at Michael's Cafe in Bensalem...

... with DJ Dino! ;)
 
George Brusstar said:
I remember Jerry Lee running Eazy 101 on WFIL around the clock less than 20 years ago.
Wasn't that Wish: Stereo 560? I was only a kid then, but thought 560 would have been WWSH-AM to run along the side the FM, but that didn't make any sense either, because by the time 560 was B/EZ, WWSH-FM was long gone.


There were five Oldies stations in Philadelphia in the few-year span of the late '80s/early '90s,

That would have been WIOQ "Solid Gold 102" 1987-89
WOGL (After Hot Hits was killed in 1987)
WOGL-AM "Oldies 1210"
WPGR (Geader Gold Radio) 1540
and what am I missing?
*Thinks* WBUX 1570? I think Scott Loe was on that one, but that is a doylstown station, not Philadelphia.

John
 
WFIL, which limped along with satellite oldies (Oldies Channel?) until about 1989 after purging the staff in '87.
 
George Brusstar said:
I wouldn't waste too much time on anyone incapable of second-grade English. (Folks, it's a discussion forum-- not a text message. The few in radio still in a position of hiring do read these boards. I know I'D never hire anyone who pluralizes words with the letter "Z", uses the numerals "2" and "4" instead of "to" and "for", and types "there" when he means "their"-- but that's just me.)

Amen, brother. Neither would I. Why is communicating the English language so difficult for some people? It's embarrassing to read posts like that, especially when they're trying to defend some point. It "weakenz" their chance of being taken seriously.
 
File it under "you wouldn't think anyone is that dumb", but I've received cover letters with that kind of "language". You can guess where they end up.
As to the question of why it's so difficult to get people to use proper English...a few weeks ago I got a note from my daughter's fourth grade teacher. There were 3 mis-spellings. It'll only get worse.
My students complain I'm their only professor who takes off points for grammar and spelling. They're probably right. Sad.


RoscoeBrowning said:
George Brusstar said:
I wouldn't waste too much time on anyone incapable of second-grade English. (Folks, it's a discussion forum-- not a text message. The few in radio still in a position of hiring do read these boards. I know I'D never hire anyone who pluralizes words with the letter "Z", uses the numerals "2" and "4" instead of "to" and "for", and types "there" when he means "their"-- but that's just me.)

Amen, brother. Neither would I. Why is communicating the English language so difficult for some people? It's embarrassing to read posts like that, especially when they're trying to defend some point. It "weakenz" their chance of being taken seriously.
 
RoscoeBrowning said:
George Brusstar said:
I wouldn't waste too much time on anyone incapable of second-grade English. (Folks, it's a discussion forum-- not a text message. The few in radio still in a position of hiring do read these boards. I know I'D never hire anyone who pluralizes words with the letter "Z", uses the numerals "2" and "4" instead of "to" and "for", and types "there" when he means "their"-- but that's just me.)

Amen, brother. Neither would I. Why is communicating the English language so difficult for some people? It's embarrassing to read posts like that, especially when they're trying to defend some point. It "weakenz" their chance of being taken seriously.

Quite right, probably hoping for his dreams to come true "filly needz a danse stayshun".

NHRadio said:
File it under "you wouldn't think anyone is that dumb", but I've received cover letters with that kind of "language". You can guess where they end up.
As to the question of why it's so difficult to get people to use proper English...a few weeks ago I got a note from my daughter's fourth grade teacher. There were 3 mis-spellings. It'll only get worse.
My students complain I'm their only professor who takes off points for grammar and spelling. They're probably right. Sad.

What's sadder? A) You're the only one to do it? Or, B) They are actually COMPLAINING???
 
It's called getting your facts straight b4 u tell people stuff! That's tommy mccarthy who has the treasure chest of oldies! Mike st. john has not been on that station! Thats the point!
 
ryan duran said:
It's called getting your facts straight b4 u tell people stuff! That's tommy mccarthy who has the treasure chest of oldies! Mike st. john has not been on that station! Thats the point!

Here's Ryan's post corrected:

It's called getting your facts straight before you tell people stuff! That's Tommy McCarthy who has the treasure chest of oldies! Mike St. John has not been on that station! That's the point!
 
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