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Oldies in NY: You need to keep the heat on!

G

Garrett

I think you should have more protests. Keep doing it to get Infinity's attention and to show New Yorkers that this is not just sour grapes.

You also need to get together a fund and buy some billboards. Buy them on buses, or put them up in front of Infinity's offices, or one in front of every Infinity studio in America (Boston, Philly, NY, LA, San Diego, Las Vegas, etc).

And I recommend filing complaint letters to the FCC, claiming that WCBS is no longer serving the public interest. Even with the likely chance of that being thrown out, do it anyway, to show Infinity that you mean business. I would even go so far as to start a grass-roots effort to have Inifity's license to operate 101.1 FM removed.

In the meantime, I think you should also try to impress upon every community broadcaster in Manhattan to go wall to wall oldies. Or even better, for one day, maybe for a couple of hours, get a bunch of stations to simulcast an oldies format as a protest.

Yes, I know it all sounds like lots of work and going off the deep end. But as far as the Oldies format is concerned, New York is the battle ground, that is indeed a war. You need to fight it to win, or else, do not complain that there are not any new oldies stations. One way or another, let them know that this is not going to just go away.

Also, let me state again, this is not about the JACK FM format, which I have nothing against in any. It is ENTRIELY about preserving Oldies.
IM(not so very)HO.
 
> I think you should have more protests. Keep doing it to get
> Infinity's attention and to show New Yorkers that this is
> not just sour grapes.
>
> You also need to get together a fund and buy some
> billboards. Buy them on buses, or put them up in front of
> Infinity's offices, or one in front of every Infinity studio
> in America (Boston, Philly, NY, LA, San Diego, Las Vegas,
> etc).
>
> And I recommend filing complaint letters to the FCC,
> claiming that WCBS is no longer serving the public interest.
> Even with the likely chance of that being thrown out, do it
> anyway, to show Infinity that you mean business. I would
> even go so far as to start a grass-roots effort to have
> Inifity's license to operate 101.1 FM removed.
>
> In the meantime, I think you should also try to impress upon
> every community broadcaster in Manhattan to go wall to wall
> oldies. Or even better, for one day, maybe for a couple of
> hours, get a bunch of stations to simulcast an oldies format
> as a protest.
>
> Yes, I know it all sounds like lots of work and going off
> the deep end. But as far as the Oldies format is concerned,
> New York is the battle ground, that is indeed a war. You
> need to fight it to win, or else, do not complain that there
> are not any new oldies stations. One way or another, let
> them know that this is not going to just go away.
>
> Also, let me state again, this is not about the JACK FM
> format, which I have nothing against in any. It is ENTRIELY
> about preserving Oldies.
> IM(not so very)HO.
>


The only point that you have made that is valid and constructive is the one about other NYC stations picking up the oldies format. It's going to have to be a station that is near the bottom in the ratings that has "nothing to lose". It doesn't make any sense to protest Infinity because they are not going to change their business model.

The FCC is not interested in format changes. They could care less what you do unless it's overly offensive. (some of you would probably say that "Jack" is overly offensive!)

Even if another station picks up oldies, which I hope they do, it probably won't have the same magic that CBS-FM had. Rememeber, the air personalities were a huge factor in that stations longevity. The cost for such an on-air line-up would be through the roof and I doubt if anyone would be willing to take that risk.

If and when someone does pick up the format, be supportive and let their advertisers know that you listen to the station. It may sound somewhat simplistic but the reality is that these are the folks that fund the format.
 
They are just suggestions, that's all. Some of my ideas are more useful than others. My point is for people to keep up the lobbying effort and not to give up.

> > I think you should have more protests. Keep doing it to
> get
> > Infinity's attention and to show New Yorkers that this is
> > not just sour grapes.
> >
> > You also need to get together a fund and buy some
> > billboards. Buy them on buses, or put them up in front of
> > Infinity's offices, or one in front of every Infinity
> studio
> > in America (Boston, Philly, NY, LA, San Diego, Las Vegas,
> > etc).
> >
> > And I recommend filing complaint letters to the FCC,
> > claiming that WCBS is no longer serving the public
> interest.
> > Even with the likely chance of that being thrown out, do
> it
> > anyway, to show Infinity that you mean business. I would
> > even go so far as to start a grass-roots effort to have
> > Inifity's license to operate 101.1 FM removed.
> >
> > In the meantime, I think you should also try to impress
> upon
> > every community broadcaster in Manhattan to go wall to
> wall
> > oldies. Or even better, for one day, maybe for a couple of
>
> > hours, get a bunch of stations to simulcast an oldies
> format
> > as a protest.
> >
> > Yes, I know it all sounds like lots of work and going off
> > the deep end. But as far as the Oldies format is
> concerned,
> > New York is the battle ground, that is indeed a war. You
> > need to fight it to win, or else, do not complain that
> there
> > are not any new oldies stations. One way or another, let
> > them know that this is not going to just go away.
> >
> > Also, let me state again, this is not about the JACK FM
> > format, which I have nothing against in any. It is
> ENTRIELY
> > about preserving Oldies.
> > IM(not so very)HO.
> >
>
>
> The only point that you have made that is valid and
> constructive is the one about other NYC stations picking up
> the oldies format. It's going to have to be a station that
> is near the bottom in the ratings that has "nothing to
> lose". It doesn't make any sense to protest Infinity because
> they are not going to change their business model.
>
> The FCC is not interested in format changes. They could care
> less what you do unless it's overly offensive. (some of you
> would probably say that "Jack" is overly offensive!)
>
> Even if another station picks up oldies, which I hope they
> do, it probably won't have the same magic that CBS-FM had.
> Rememeber, the air personalities were a huge factor in that
> stations longevity. The cost for such an on-air line-up
> would be through the roof and I doubt if anyone would be
> willing to take that risk.
>
> If and when someone does pick up the format, be supportive
> and let their advertisers know that you listen to the
> station. It may sound somewhat simplistic but the reality
> is that these are the folks that fund the format.
>
 
> They are just suggestions, that's all. Some of my ideas are
> more useful than others. My point is for people to keep up
> the lobbying effort and not to give up.
>
>

I appereciate your passion for the format. My point really is to just suggest where your attention needs to be focused and it's NOT on Infinity. They don't give a damn!

Some calls to other operators in the market could make the difference between getting the format back on the air or letting it go away for good.
 
> I think you should have more protests. Keep doing it to get
> Infinity's attention and to show New Yorkers that this is
> not just sour grapes.

You do realize that Joel Hollander himself was walking around the CBS Rally last week - talking to some of the people and checking out the signs - NOBODY RECOGNIZED HIM - and he probably had a good chuckle and went back to his office.

Trust me. Infinity drove a lot of people to satellite radio. If oldies come back, it'll come back to WNEW or K-Rock down the road, but not for a few months.

They had the attention of the CEO. But it didn't make a lick of difference.
 
> > They are just suggestions, that's all. Some of my ideas
> are
> > more useful than others. My point is for people to keep up
>
> > the lobbying effort and not to give up.
> >
> >
>
> I appereciate your passion for the format. My point really
> is to just suggest where your attention needs to be focused
> and it's NOT on Infinity. They don't give a damn!
>
> Some calls to other operators in the market could make the
> difference between getting the format back on the air or
> letting it go away for good.
>

From my perspective 12 years ago, sure we were mad at Emmis for changing Hot 97 from dance to hip-hop, but it didn't make sense to keep harping on them for doing so. Obviously they made the right financial decision and perhaps Infinity did the same.

Point being, start bothering the other radio companies about taking on the oldies format. Having the first proest made sense but to keep going on these loses the effect.

TONY SANTIAGO
 
Cool Down

I hate to say this but some people need lives. With all of the problems people face on a daily basis: a radio station is the end of the world? The kind of crap I've been reading on the radio sites regarding CBS are sickening. Many of you are acting like 12 and 13 year olds.

Don't get me wrong: it is a sad state that NYC does not have an oldies station. I do believe someone will eventually open one up. However, it is apparent that the format wasn't that lucrative since nobody else has filled the void.

Note, most of the suggestions were tried in San Francisco when they lost thei heritage rocker. Nothing happened.

NYC lost WNEW - Where Rock Lives. You want to talk about a connection between a format and its audience. I grew up with NEW and still equate it to Rock. It hasn't come back.
 
Ok, two things,
First of all, the loss of of Dance CHR for Hip-hip is one of the worst things to happen to Top40, and the day when Emmis Made Power106 in LA and Hot97 in NY Hip-hop bothers me to this day!

Second, perhaps Ivan didn't notice that it's called Radio-info.com . We are because we LOVE radio and radio IS our lives. No need to move on from this subject, the loss of WCBS FM as an oldies station is a VERY BIG DEAL!


> From my perspective 12 years ago, sure we were mad at Emmis
> for changing Hot 97 from dance to hip-hop, but it didn't
> make sense to keep harping on them for doing so. Obviously
> they made the right financial decision and perhaps Infinity
> did the same.
>
> Point being, start bothering the other radio companies about
> taking on the oldies format. Having the first proest made
> sense but to keep going on these loses the effect.
>
> TONY SANTIAGO
>
 
even with 96.7 wkhl out here in stamford ct, people are still extremely pissed off here without wcbs. I am suprised with all the investors out here in fairfield county ct, the infinitys stock or viacoms hasn't fallen a lot... (or has it?)
> Ok, two things,
> First of all, the loss of of Dance CHR for Hip-hip is one of
> the worst things to happen to Top40, and the day when Emmis
> Made Power106 in LA and Hot97 in NY Hip-hop bothers me to
> this day!
>
> Second, perhaps Ivan didn't notice that it's called
> Radio-info.com . We are because we LOVE radio and radio IS
> our lives. No need to move on from this subject, the loss of
> WCBS FM as an oldies station is a VERY BIG DEAL!
>
>
> > From my perspective 12 years ago, sure we were mad at
> Emmis
> > for changing Hot 97 from dance to hip-hop, but it didn't
> > make sense to keep harping on them for doing so.
> Obviously
> > they made the right financial decision and perhaps
> Infinity
> > did the same.
> >
> > Point being, start bothering the other radio companies
> about
> > taking on the oldies format. Having the first proest made
>
> > sense but to keep going on these loses the effect.
> >
> > TONY SANTIAGO
> >
>
 
Re: Without WCBS-FM 101

The way WCBS-FM sounded in the seventies is worth getting upset and battling for, but for the way they sounded on June 3, 2005, they were a fraction of their former sound and not as much of a loss.

I loved WCBS-FM at one time, but they got away from their great sound, which may have contributed to their loss of ratings, from when they peaked.

Now I have many great shows to listen to on the net and I can get WLNG. Also the Sunday Akron Oldies Jukebox is playing the music that was taken away from WCBS-FM listener through the nineties.

Life goes on, and they are not on the radio, but I can take cassette tapes and CD's with me. If I want to get the time, weather or traffic updates, there are many places to go for them.

I can live without CBS-FM. I don't want to, but I can.

> I hate to say this but some people need lives. With all of
> the problems people face on a daily basis: a radio station
> is the end of the world? The kind of crap I've been reading
> on the radio sites regarding CBS are sickening. Many of you
> are acting like 12 and 13 year olds.
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