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Oldies in Wilmington

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bierkenstock

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Threads on the Central PA and Jersey boards have noticed a jump in Oldies listening in the current 12+ Arbitrons. WOGL 98.1 Philadelphia is up. And for the first time (at least in recent memory) WLVT 92.1 in Vineland and WSOX 96.1 from York have shown up on Wilmington's radar. Given the Oldies audience skews too old for advertisers, a Wilmington station flipping to Oldies may not be likely. But why the uptick in listener interest? Any thoughts?

Also could JBR's drop in the latest book have anything to do with some listeners discovering and defecting to Oldies. AC is not most Oldies fans' first choice but it is tolerable (least objectionable programming). If Oldies makes greater inroads into Wilmington, AC might be most vulnerable.
 
As you and I have discussed before, radio has a problem. The younger people are not big radio listerners where as the Baby Boomers(40-60 year olds) and 65+ crowd are. Unfortunately the ad agencies do not want the 40+ crowd and write off the largest population block (Baby Boomers) and the dying off geezer crowd. It's a paradox for radio. They can get great ratings if they appeal to the baby boom and geezers, but won't have any spots, or they can appeal to the youngest folks who listen to radio in smaller and smaller numbers, but will appeal to the ad agencies who buy the time. I know my point of view doesn't make business sense, but it seems to me that radio needs to figure out a way to find product spots that do appeal to the baby boomers and geezers as they do have more money to spend than the gen x,y,z'ers, you just have to sell the right product. That doesn't just mean cemetary plot spots either.

Having said that, Wilmington is a bit different than Philly in we do not have TV as a vehicle for local businesses to sell their products, so radio picks up that slack in Wilmington. An Oldies station in Wilmington, say on AM 1290 would probably do well in ratings and in spot load, but for some reason CC seems content to leave AM 1290 to the same place that 1260 Newark usually is, off the chart with no ratings.


> Threads on the Central PA and Jersey boards have noticed a
> jump in Oldies listening in the current 12+ Arbitrons. WOGL
> 98.1 Philadelphia is up. And for the first time (at least
> in recent memory) WLVT 92.1 in Vineland and WSOX 96.1 from
> York have shown up on Wilmington's radar. Given the Oldies
> audience skews too old for advertisers, a Wilmington station
> flipping to Oldies may not be likely. But why the uptick in
> listener interest? Any thoughts?
>
> Also could JBR's drop in the latest book have anything to do
> with some listeners discovering and defecting to Oldies. AC
> is not most Oldies fans' first choice but it is tolerable
> (least objectionable programming). If Oldies makes greater
> inroads into Wilmington, AC might be most vulnerable.
>
 
Oldies might do better on FM but Wilmington has a severe shortage of FM stations, half a dozen FM's in the market and half of those are rim-shots. 1290 might be a good option. Whoever programs Clear Channel's Real Oldies stations does an excellent job (IMHO). One example (if you can pick it up) is WKAP-AM 1470 from the Lehigh Valley.
Other Clear Channel Real Oldies stations (streaming online) are WNNJ-AM 1360 in North Jersey.
http://www.oldies1360.com/main.html
And WRLL Chicago:
http://www.realoldies1690.com/main.html

Personally I'd love to see Clear Channel put their Real Oldies format on 1290. They might do better; they couldn't do worse.

Many people on these boards seem to believe that marketing managers' and ad agencies' disinterest in targeting 50+ consumers stems from their prejudices against older consumers. Radio is most effective for reminder advertising: Keeping consumer package good brands top of mind. Reminding potential shoppers about retail stores and any special sales. Consumer package goods are most heavily bought by younger adults - people building households and people with kids. Empty nesters need less stuff and they buy less stuff. And at some point people start to think about the future and they save or invest rather than buy more stuff. There are products for which the core target market is 50+ people. Some of these products or brands don't have budgets that allow them effectively to use radio. Others do advertise on cable, on the network evening news programs and on PBS; but for some reason, products like Metamucil don't buy much radio. To the extent they do buy radio, they seem to buy talk rather than music. Again the issue may be more limited marketing budgets for such products.

An issue for station owners is advertisers will pay more to reach coveted target demos. So even if stations with a boomer audience sell spots, they end up selling them for less. The fact that boomers and geezers are heavily listeners actually works against them here. Because people in the coveted demos listen less, advertisers will pay a premium to reach them (law of supply and demand).

It is ironic that music which first received exposure on the radio because advertisers wanted to reach young adults and teens 30, 40 or 50 years ago now is shoved aside because advertisers still want to reach young adults and teens. This is nothing new. It's just starting adversely to affect boomers, so they are just now starting to notice.

These economic factors also apply to talk radio. It's audience skews older than the audience for Real Oldies (but not as Old as Adult Standards). Hence experiments in moving talk to FM and moving the content away from straight politics (like FreeFM and NJ 101.5). Radio now programs the music Gen X'ers grew up with and seeks to program talk radio with what they want to talk about.
As Standards goes, so goes Oldies; As Oldies goes, so goes Political Talk.
 
The baby boomers don't buy only Metimucil (actually that's one product I've never bought). I just bought a brand new automoble last year, a new stereo system last week, plus my wife enjoys buying clothes, we filled our 200 disk CD changer that plugs into our new stereo system in a year and a half,(so we regularly buy CD's). We travel, eat out at restarants on a regular basis. When any of our appliances die we'll be replacing those, just as younger families do. We fix up or make repairs to our house by buying stuff from Home Depot just as the younger families do. We buy groceries each week, buy gasoline, get our cars serviced, get hair cuts, my wife goes to the beauty shop, we bought a new radio/cd player for the kitchen a few weeks ago, etc. I guess my point is, that sure the boomers may not buy as much as the younger demos, but we buy and when we go to the store, that store owner has never said, I only want customers between the ages of 12 and 49. It seems that some of the stations in any market that are not doing as well as they might, could go for a niche demo like the boomers and rake in large audience share and a decent spot load, if the station sells it correctly. Philly has a boat load of stations and they all seem to be fighting over the same basic age demo, other than maybe WOGL. I find it hard to comprehend that some of those other lesser stations couldn't actually do better by targeting such a large audience and selling it. If JC Penny could be convinced that they could sweep the boomer market in a given town by buying spots on a couple of stations that appealed to the boomer audience, then I could envision a sales campaign on those specific stations that targeted boomers, etc, and a happy JC Penny store manager, etc.

I realize, from what many of you say this isn't a good business practice, but it seems to me that radio's longer term future is in trouble as they aren't pulling in the younger folks who see radio as passe' today. Yet, radio could carve a hugh niche for itself by targeting a part of its industry to serving the "older demos" of 45+. Because as the gen x, y, z'ers age they too will pass the magic age and then they'll not be targeted by ipods, online, satellite radio,etc and then terrestial radio would become more of an option for them and radio would be set up ready for them as they'd had already been serving the boomer group who'd then be in the geezer phase and not buying as much and really needing that bottle of Metimucil. I'm not a business person, but it seems crazy to throw away a large loyal group that would keep you in business for another 10-20 years, but I do see the point you are making, even though I don't quite understand it.

I'll have to go on line and try to catch those CC oldies stations you refer to below. Thanks !

> Oldies might do better on FM but Wilmington has a severe
> shortage of FM stations, half a dozen FM's in the market and
> half of those are rim-shots. 1290 might be a good option.
> Whoever programs Clear Channel's Real Oldies stations does
> an excellent job (IMHO). One example (if you can pick it
> up) is WKAP-AM 1470 from the Lehigh Valley.
> Other Clear Channel Real Oldies stations (streaming online)
> are WNNJ-AM 1360 in North Jersey.
> http://www.oldies1360.com/main.html
> And WRLL Chicago:
> http://www.realoldies1690.com/main.html
>
> Personally I'd love to see Clear Channel put their Real
> Oldies format on 1290. They might do better; they couldn't
> do worse.
>
> Many people on these boards seem to believe that marketing
> managers' and ad agencies' disinterest in targeting 50+
> consumers stems from their prejudices against older
> consumers. Radio is most effective for reminder
> advertising: Keeping consumer package good brands top of
> mind. Reminding potential shoppers about retail stores and
> any special sales. Consumer package goods are most heavily
> bought by younger adults - people building households and
> people with kids. Empty nesters need less stuff and they
> buy less stuff. And at some point people start to think
> about the future and they save or invest rather than buy
> more stuff. There are products for which the core target
> market is 50+ people. Some of these products or brands
> don't have budgets that allow them effectively to use radio.
> Others do advertise on cable, on the network evening news
> programs and on PBS; but for some reason, products like
> Metamucil don't buy much radio. To the extent they do buy
> radio, they seem to buy talk rather than music. Again the
> issue may be more limited marketing budgets for such
> products.
>
> An issue for station owners is advertisers will pay more to
> reach coveted target demos. So even if stations with a
> boomer audience sell spots, they end up selling them for
> less. The fact that boomers and geezers are heavily
> listeners actually works against them here. Because people
> in the coveted demos listen less, advertisers will pay a
> premium to reach them (law of supply and demand).
>
> It is ironic that music which first received exposure on the
> radio because advertisers wanted to reach young adults and
> teens 30, 40 or 50 years ago now is shoved aside because
> advertisers still want to reach young adults and teens. This
> is nothing new. It's just starting adversely to affect
> boomers, so they are just now starting to notice.
>
> These economic factors also apply to talk radio. It's
> audience skews older than the audience for Real Oldies (but
> not as Old as Adult Standards). Hence experiments in moving
> talk to FM and moving the content away from straight
> politics (like FreeFM and NJ 101.5). Radio now programs the
> music Gen X'ers grew up with and seeks to program talk radio
> with what they want to talk about.
> As Standards goes, so goes Oldies; As Oldies goes, so goes
> Political Talk.
>
 
Oldies and advertisers

You are thinking of yourself as an individual (as you should). Marketers think of groups and they play a numbers game.

Marketers play by the 80/20 rule. The numbers are not exact but the principle is. 20% of customers account for 80% sales. The most frequent customers of fast food restaurants eat at one 10 times or more a week. Others may go once or twice a month. If you are McDonald's (or Burger King, Wendy's, KFC ...) you want to attract that top 20%. And if you know that most people in that 20% are 18 to 35 years of age, you are going to want to buy time on radio stations that reach that kind of audience. (Purchasing becomes even more concentrated in some product categories. In beer, it's the 95/5 rule. People in the top category average more than a case a day. Years ago, one brewer went explicitly after the most frequent drinker segment with the campaign: "Schaefer is one beer to have when you're having more than one.")

Marketers go by return on investment. How much in additional sales does the advertising dollar yield? Obviously, reaching a frequent purchaser yields more than reaching an occasional purchaser.

Marketers value new business more than loyalty. This is why you get credit card offers (and other offers) offering you a much better deal to switch than you get from your current bank. (Not that business people are any smarter than the rest of us. This strategy ignores that all their competitors do the same and all this approach does is create customer churn.) But if you are a loyal Penny's customer, they are not as concerned about you as they are about attracting new customers. Marketing managers get promoted for new business (not repeat business). Sales graphs must always go up (or people get fired). Additional business is incrementally more profitable than existing business. If you make and sell 2,000,000 widgets this year your revenue may double - but your operating costs do not. And customer loyalty is mostly less fixed among younger consumers. Marketing people tend not to look at long-term issues (which is why they value advertising reach over frequency), but J.C. Penny is still reaping sales from the money they spent to reach you on WAMS, Wibbage or WFIL when you were in the money demos.

For marketers, the downside of customer loyalty in older consumers is it becomes harder to get people to change, switch or try something new (this makes advertising less effective and lowers return on investment). For example, you buy CD's. You are a dissatisfied radio user. And you are slow to embrace a new technology (satellite radio) which programs the music you like (and lots of it). And you keep buying CD's rather than moving to mp3 players and the advantages this new technology offers.

Marketers don't think like the seed sower in the parable. They are careful to put their seed only on the most productive land, just like real farmers.

Marketers speak of targets but they mostly interested only in bulls-eyes - until the market for a given product "matures." Marketers first go for the greatest yield and pick the low hanging fruit. Only when that has been exhausted do they think of picking at the top of the tree. Once the under 50 market for computers has been saturated do marketers think of trying to get their parents to buy a computer, too.

Marketers decide on strategy. Ad agencies recommend tactics which marketers then approve (or not). Neither are interested in suggestions from Oldies stations on opportunities for marketing to older consumers. Radio stations respond to clients' needs and wishes but they are not really in a position to change anyone's mind about what those wishes and needs should be.
 
> WOGL 98.1 Philadelphia is up. And for the first time (at least
> in recent memory) WLVT 92.1 in Vineland and WSOX 96.1 from
> York have shown up on Wilmington's radar....But why the uptick in
> listener interest? Any thoughts?

You are reading WAY too much into the numbers. Increases as small as these stations registered in Wilmington are statistically insignificant. WSOX isn't even audible in the metro and probably showed up because ONE person commuting from the metro to Central Pa. or Northern Baltimore County tuned in once or twice.
 
I think Radio may be in serious trouble

The 80/20 rule. I can see that, even if I wish it didn't work that way, but I can see that from a business perspective. I can't imagine eating at McDonald's 10 times in a week (my arteries harden just thinking of it, haha !) Yes, I can see why McDonald's, and the rest of the fast food world don't target me as I rarely eat there and it's only as a last resort. I guess that does show my age. I do remember the Schaefer beer commercials and the song. Do they still brew Schaefer beer or Balentine(Hey get your cold beer, hey get your Balentine, hey get your ice cold beer, get your ice cold Balentine beer) ?

I can see your point about businesses not rewarding brand loyalty in terms of radio advertising as they've already "got" you as their customer, they've just got to keep you coming in and sales catalogs in the newspaper do that probably better than a radio spot.

You're correct too, probably most of us "older middle agers" or boomers are not as comfortable with the newer technologies ( I just want to be able to set up the blasted VCR to record a show I don't need all the other bells and whistles they put on them that makes them very difficult to use, haha !). In many ways you become a "Luddite" as you age as it gets harder and harder to keep up with all the new tech stuff. Of course, the kids can program that vcr with their eyes closed in 30 seconds and figure out how to unlock the parental controls on cable or satellite TV controls so they can watch what their parents wish they wouldn't.

So I guess radio is stuck with trying to get that smaller block of population (the gen X,Y,Z'ers) that find radio passe' to somehow "sell" them on tuning in so that the radio stations can make their money by bringing the right type of listener to their station for that ad client. Sounds like radio may be in for a rough ride and eventual extinction as our society, especially the young are a very visual group who want pictures to go along with the music ie, MTV, VH1, CMT, etc. I've tried tuning in to those and don't find the visual at all enhansing to hearing the sound or the feeling of the music, etc, which as a musician I'm more focused on. Frankly, I find the visual distracting from the music. Of course, my age probably doesn't help as I just don't "get it". Of course the kids already have cell phones that have video cameras, computer games, calculators, wireless internet capiblities, etc and God only knows what else that phone can do at their ears now, so it may truly be too late for radio.

Here's an idea that might work to attract the younger listener. Some of the radio talk shows video cam their shows (Limbaugh, I believe Radio Times on WHYY-FM does this too). Why not a rock FM station video caming their drive time jocks, then the kids might tune in on their cell phones to see and hear the music on line. Obviously this couldn't be done off drive time when most stations are either on the bird or voice tracking, but drive time might be a possiblity.

> You are thinking of yourself as an individual (as you
> should). Marketers think of groups and they play a numbers
> game.
>
> Marketers play by the 80/20 rule. The numbers are not exact
> but the principle is. 20% of customers account for 80%
> sales. The most frequent customers of fast food restaurants
> eat at one 10 times or more a week. Others may go once or
> twice a month. If you are McDonald's (or Burger King,
> Wendy's, KFC ...) you want to attract that top 20%. And if
> you know that most people in that 20% are 18 to 35 years of
> age, you are going to want to buy time on radio stations
> that reach that kind of audience. (Purchasing becomes even
> more concentrated in some product categories. In beer, it's
> the 95/5 rule. People in the top category average more than
> a case a day. Years ago, one brewer went explicitly after
> the most frequent drinker segment with the campaign:
> "Schaefer is one beer to have when you're having more than
> one.")
>
> Marketers go by return on investment. How much in
> additional sales does the advertising dollar yield?
> Obviously, reaching a frequent purchaser yields more than
> reaching an occasional purchaser.
>
> Marketers value new business more than loyalty. This is why
> you get credit card offers (and other offers) offering you a
> much better deal to switch than you get from your current
> bank. (Not that business people are any smarter than the
> rest of us. This strategy ignores that all their
> competitors do the same and all this approach does is create
> customer churn.) But if you are a loyal Penny's customer,
> they are not as concerned about you as they are about
> attracting new customers. Marketing managers get promoted
> for new business (not repeat business). Sales graphs must
> always go up (or people get fired). Additional business is
> incrementally more profitable than existing business. If
> you make and sell 2,000,000 widgets this year your revenue
> may double - but your operating costs do not. And customer
> loyalty is mostly less fixed among younger consumers.
> Marketing people tend not to look at long-term issues (which
> is why they value advertising reach over frequency), but
> J.C. Penny is still reaping sales from the money they spent
> to reach you on WAMS, Wibbage or WFIL when you were in the
> money demos.
>
> For marketers, the downside of customer loyalty in older
> consumers is it becomes harder to get people to change,
> switch or try something new (this makes advertising less
> effective and lowers return on investment). For example,
> you buy CD's. You are a dissatisfied radio user. And you
> are slow to embrace a new technology (satellite radio) which
> programs the music you like (and lots of it). And you keep
> buying CD's rather than moving to mp3 players and the
> advantages this new technology offers.
>
> Marketers don't think like the seed sower in the parable.
> They are careful to put their seed only on the most
> productive land, just like real farmers.
>
> Marketers speak of targets but they mostly interested only
> in bulls-eyes - until the market for a given product
> "matures." Marketers first go for the greatest yield and
> pick the low hanging fruit. Only when that has been
> exhausted do they think of picking at the top of the tree.
> Once the under 50 market for computers has been saturated do
> marketers think of trying to get their parents to buy a
> computer, too.
>
> Marketers decide on strategy. Ad agencies recommend tactics
> which marketers then approve (or not). Neither are
> interested in suggestions from Oldies stations on
> opportunities for marketing to older consumers. Radio
> stations respond to clients' needs and wishes but they are
> not really in a position to change anyone's mind about what
> those wishes and needs should be.
>
 
We are forgetting that the Wilmington market HAD an oldies station from 1994 to some point in 2004. A ten year run that NEVER showed in the ratings.

There are numerous reasons for the lack of ratings that have nothing to do with the music. But the bottom line is the format did not work on AM1260.

When AM 1290 was oldies in the late 70's or early 80's (I forget the exact year) it flopped totally. However, that was before the increase to 2,500 watts.
Regardless of the lack of listeners, AM1290 is now getting the Fox sports format in another Top 100 market. That helps national sales even though the listeners are not there in one or two of the markets.


> Threads on the Central PA and Jersey boards have noticed a
> jump in Oldies listening in the current 12+ Arbitrons. WOGL
> 98.1 Philadelphia is up. And for the first time (at least
> in recent memory) WLVT 92.1 in Vineland and WSOX 96.1 from
> York have shown up on Wilmington's radar. Given the Oldies
> audience skews too old for advertisers, a Wilmington station
> flipping to Oldies may not be likely. But why the uptick in
> listener interest? Any thoughts?
>
> Also could JBR's drop in the latest book have anything to do
> with some listeners discovering and defecting to Oldies. AC
> is not most Oldies fans' first choice but it is tolerable
> (least objectionable programming). If Oldies makes greater
> inroads into Wilmington, AC might be most vulnerable.
>
 
How about some optimism

Your post sounds a little doom and gloom to me. If TV didn't kill radio in the 1950s, satellite or i-pods aren't going to kill it now. Satellite radio can never be a local advertising medium and I really don't see how i-pods could be a viable advertising medium period. That doesn't mean that I don't think terrestrial radio will undergo a lot of changes, because it will and will have to in order to survive (like it did to survive TV half a century ago). I think the biggest change that will come about is if/when wireless internet becomes the standard technology. Radio stations that do a great job of branding themselves online will come out ahead in the wireless internet world and I can one day see that webstreaming will be the primary way that people listen to local radio and some stations will start turning their transmitters off because of redundancy. I could be wrong, but it's fun to speculate.


> The 80/20 rule. I can see that, even if I wish it didn't
> work that way, but I can see that from a business
> perspective. I can't imagine eating at McDonald's 10 times
> in a week (my arteries harden just thinking of it, haha !)
> Yes, I can see why McDonald's, and the rest of the fast food
> world don't target me as I rarely eat there and it's only as
> a last resort. I guess that does show my age. I do
> remember the Schaefer beer commercials and the song. Do
> they still brew Schaefer beer or Balentine(Hey get your cold
> beer, hey get your Balentine, hey get your ice cold beer,
> get your ice cold Balentine beer) ?
>
> I can see your point about businesses not rewarding brand
> loyalty in terms of radio advertising as they've already
> "got" you as their customer, they've just got to keep you
> coming in and sales catalogs in the newspaper do that
> probably better than a radio spot.
>
> You're correct too, probably most of us "older middle agers"
> or boomers are not as comfortable with the newer
> technologies ( I just want to be able to set up the blasted
> VCR to record a show I don't need all the other bells and
> whistles they put on them that makes them very difficult to
> use, haha !). In many ways you become a "Luddite" as you
> age as it gets harder and harder to keep up with all the new
> tech stuff. Of course, the kids can program that vcr with
> their eyes closed in 30 seconds and figure out how to unlock
> the parental controls on cable or satellite TV controls so
> they can watch what their parents wish they wouldn't.
>
> So I guess radio is stuck with trying to get that smaller
> block of population (the gen X,Y,Z'ers) that find radio
> passe' to somehow "sell" them on tuning in so that the radio
> stations can make their money by bringing the right type of
> listener to their station for that ad client. Sounds like
> radio may be in for a rough ride and eventual extinction as
> our society, especially the young are a very visual group
> who want pictures to go along with the music ie, MTV, VH1,
> CMT, etc. I've tried tuning in to those and don't find the
> visual at all enhansing to hearing the sound or the feeling
> of the music, etc, which as a musician I'm more focused on.
> Frankly, I find the visual distracting from the music. Of
> course, my age probably doesn't help as I just don't "get
> it". Of course the kids already have cell phones that have
> video cameras, computer games, calculators, wireless
> internet capiblities, etc and God only knows what else that
> phone can do at their ears now, so it may truly be too late
> for radio.
>
> Here's an idea that might work to attract the younger
> listener. Some of the radio talk shows video cam their
> shows (Limbaugh, I believe Radio Times on WHYY-FM does this
> too). Why not a rock FM station video caming their drive
> time jocks, then the kids might tune in on their cell phones
> to see and hear the music on line. Obviously this couldn't
> be done off drive time when most stations are either on the
> bird or voice tracking, but drive time might be a
> possiblity.
>
> > You are thinking of yourself as an individual (as you
> > should). Marketers think of groups and they play a
> numbers
> > game.
> >
> > Marketers play by the 80/20 rule. The numbers are not
> exact
> > but the principle is. 20% of customers account for 80%
> > sales. The most frequent customers of fast food
> restaurants
> > eat at one 10 times or more a week. Others may go once or
>
> > twice a month. If you are McDonald's (or Burger King,
> > Wendy's, KFC ...) you want to attract that top 20%. And
> if
> > you know that most people in that 20% are 18 to 35 years
> of
> > age, you are going to want to buy time on radio stations
> > that reach that kind of audience. (Purchasing becomes
> even
> > more concentrated in some product categories. In beer,
> it's
> > the 95/5 rule. People in the top category average more
> than
> > a case a day. Years ago, one brewer went explicitly after
>
> > the most frequent drinker segment with the campaign:
> > "Schaefer is one beer to have when you're having more than
>
> > one.")
> >
> > Marketers go by return on investment. How much in
> > additional sales does the advertising dollar yield?
> > Obviously, reaching a frequent purchaser yields more than
> > reaching an occasional purchaser.
> >
> > Marketers value new business more than loyalty. This is
> why
> > you get credit card offers (and other offers) offering you
> a
> > much better deal to switch than you get from your current
> > bank. (Not that business people are any smarter than the
> > rest of us. This strategy ignores that all their
> > competitors do the same and all this approach does is
> create
> > customer churn.) But if you are a loyal Penny's customer,
>
> > they are not as concerned about you as they are about
> > attracting new customers. Marketing managers get promoted
>
> > for new business (not repeat business). Sales graphs must
>
> > always go up (or people get fired). Additional business
> is
> > incrementally more profitable than existing business. If
> > you make and sell 2,000,000 widgets this year your revenue
>
> > may double - but your operating costs do not. And
> customer
> > loyalty is mostly less fixed among younger consumers.
> > Marketing people tend not to look at long-term issues
> (which
> > is why they value advertising reach over frequency), but
> > J.C. Penny is still reaping sales from the money they
> spent
> > to reach you on WAMS, Wibbage or WFIL when you were in the
>
> > money demos.
> >
> > For marketers, the downside of customer loyalty in older
> > consumers is it becomes harder to get people to change,
> > switch or try something new (this makes advertising less
> > effective and lowers return on investment). For example,
> > you buy CD's. You are a dissatisfied radio user. And you
>
> > are slow to embrace a new technology (satellite radio)
> which
> > programs the music you like (and lots of it). And you
> keep
> > buying CD's rather than moving to mp3 players and the
> > advantages this new technology offers.
> >
> > Marketers don't think like the seed sower in the parable.
>
> > They are careful to put their seed only on the most
> > productive land, just like real farmers.
> >
> > Marketers speak of targets but they mostly interested only
>
> > in bulls-eyes - until the market for a given product
> > "matures." Marketers first go for the greatest yield and
> > pick the low hanging fruit. Only when that has been
> > exhausted do they think of picking at the top of the tree.
>
> > Once the under 50 market for computers has been saturated
> do
> > marketers think of trying to get their parents to buy a
> > computer, too.
> >
> > Marketers decide on strategy. Ad agencies recommend
> tactics
> > which marketers then approve (or not). Neither are
> > interested in suggestions from Oldies stations on
> > opportunities for marketing to older consumers. Radio
> > stations respond to clients' needs and wishes but they are
>
> > not really in a position to change anyone's mind about
> what
> > those wishes and needs should be.
> >
>
 
First of all, I think that WSOX and WVLT showing in the Wilmington Arbitron are mearly a tiny blip in the radar screen. I don't see these stations has having any meaningful effect on the Wilmington market. WOGL is the oldies station that will have the most effect, simply because they have the best signal.

A couple of years ago, I thought that there was an oldies hole in the Wilmington market and I thought that a pop/rock leaning oldies outlet (to differentiate from the more soul/R&B leaning WOGL) on one of the existing rim shot FM signals would've been a good move. Now, I don't think so simply because of the older leaning demos of the format. Keep in mind, 12+ numbers are misleading because they don't give you demographic breakdowns. A rise in 12+ share numbers don't mean a whole lot if the rise is coming from advertiser unfriendly demos.

I think that "Jack" (or "Ben" in Philly's case) is an early draft for the new oldies format. I think "Jack" itself is a trend, but eventually "Jack" will be tweaked into an 80s/90s gold format, or even a couple of different 80s/90s gold formats.


> Threads on the Central PA and Jersey boards have noticed a
> jump in Oldies listening in the current 12+ Arbitrons. WOGL
> 98.1 Philadelphia is up. And for the first time (at least
> in recent memory) WLVT 92.1 in Vineland and WSOX 96.1 from
> York have shown up on Wilmington's radar. Given the Oldies
> audience skews too old for advertisers, a Wilmington station
> flipping to Oldies may not be likely. But why the uptick in
> listener interest? Any thoughts?
>
> Also could JBR's drop in the latest book have anything to do
> with some listeners discovering and defecting to Oldies. AC
> is not most Oldies fans' first choice but it is tolerable
> (least objectionable programming). If Oldies makes greater
> inroads into Wilmington, AC might be most vulnerable.
>
 
Re: How about some optimism

It's hard to see much of a future for radio when all you hear is radio only wants young people, who as a group don't want radio, at least that's what keeps being said on these boards by folks who seem to be in the know. So if you used to have a loyal audience of 76 million boomers who you no longer want, but are going after a smaller group of 60 million who do not want your product, that to my way of thinking isn't a good business model. However, I do agree with you that the owners of radio stations are not about to let their facilities that are worth millions of dollars each lose value and become worthless, if they can help it. So it will require some creative thinking to once again reinvent radio to pull in that smaller, but desired group. As many have lamented here, AM radio is in the worse shape as the young already don't tune in to AM. I could see AM going more and more ethnic to serve the underserved populations (Spanish, Korean, Muslim, etc). FM could stream on line as you said and as I said do the cam cast thing to add the visual that might appeal to the kids. There are probably other ways for FM to stay viable, but from what I read here that so far hasn't happened for either AM or FM.

One thing that may help keep FM in the game is many employers do not allow employees to stream online with the company computers as it uses alot of the companies computer system networking space. My fulltime employer is one (I work part time in radio), they have a fire wall set up that does not allow anyone to listen to webcasts from on line sources or from radio online broadcasts. So the choice is CD's, cassette tapes, or Radio. As the technology improves that too might no longer be an issue, but is today for many or you might see even less young people listening to radio at work now.

> Your post sounds a little doom and gloom to me. If TV didn't
> kill radio in the 1950s, satellite or i-pods aren't going to
> kill it now. Satellite radio can never be a local
> advertising medium and I really don't see how i-pods could
> be a viable advertising medium period. That doesn't mean
> that I don't think terrestrial radio will undergo a lot of
> changes, because it will and will have to in order to
> survive (like it did to survive TV half a century ago). I
> think the biggest change that will come about is if/when
> wireless internet becomes the standard technology. Radio
> stations that do a great job of branding themselves online
> will come out ahead in the wireless internet world and I can
> one day see that webstreaming will be the primary way that
> people listen to local radio and some stations will start
> turning their transmitters off because of redundancy. I
> could be wrong, but it's fun to speculate.
>
>
 
Re: How about some optimism

Your starting to sound right. and the reason....


> Your post sounds a little doom and gloom to me. If TV didn't
> kill radio in the 1950s,

The reason why TV didn't kill radio in the 50's because there were still many things that TV couldn't do that radio can. Like go contemporary. Once that 15 year ASCAP publishing lawsuits were solved.....radio no longer needed their serials, and ballroom dances, along with their transcibed programming.


satellite or i-pods aren't going to
> kill it now. Satellite radio can never be a local
> advertising medium and I really don't see how i-pods could
> be a viable advertising medium period.

It doesn't need too. You'll subscribe to everything, in one big package. Plus you'll download what you want. The media entertainment seems to be more on the national edge of everything anyhow.

That doesn't mean
> that I don't think terrestrial radio will undergo a lot of
> changes, because it will and will have to in order to
> survive (like it did to survive TV half a century ago). I
> think the biggest change that will come about is if/when
> wireless internet becomes the standard technology. Radio
> stations that do a great job of branding themselves online
> will come out ahead in the wireless internet world and I can
> one day see that webstreaming will be the primary way that
> people listen to local radio and some stations will start
> turning their transmitters off because of redundancy. I
> could be wrong, but it's fun to speculate.
>
> That's where you sound more right. People will do anything these days to avoid commercials. And alot or most can, and even more in the future.
The internet can perform or provide as much or more then basic TV and radio can together. Yes , maybe not now, but this time it will be doom and gloom for the radio. Especially AM.



> > The 80/20 rule. I can see that, even if I wish it didn't
> > work that way, but I can see that from a business
> > perspective. I can't imagine eating at McDonald's 10
> times
> > in a week (my arteries harden just thinking of it, haha !)
>
> > Yes, I can see why McDonald's, and the rest of the fast
> food
> > world don't target me as I rarely eat there and it's only
> as
> > a last resort. I guess that does show my age. I do
> > remember the Schaefer beer commercials and the song. Do
> > they still brew Schaefer beer or Balentine(Hey get your
> cold
> > beer, hey get your Balentine, hey get your ice cold beer,
> > get your ice cold Balentine beer) ?
> >
> > I can see your point about businesses not rewarding brand
> > loyalty in terms of radio advertising as they've already
> > "got" you as their customer, they've just got to keep you
> > coming in and sales catalogs in the newspaper do that
> > probably better than a radio spot.
> >
> > You're correct too, probably most of us "older middle
> agers"
> > or boomers are not as comfortable with the newer
> > technologies ( I just want to be able to set up the
> blasted
> > VCR to record a show I don't need all the other bells and
> > whistles they put on them that makes them very difficult
> to
> > use, haha !). In many ways you become a "Luddite" as you
> > age as it gets harder and harder to keep up with all the
> new
> > tech stuff. Of course, the kids can program that vcr with
>
> > their eyes closed in 30 seconds and figure out how to
> unlock
> > the parental controls on cable or satellite TV controls so
>
> > they can watch what their parents wish they wouldn't.
> >
> > So I guess radio is stuck with trying to get that smaller
> > block of population (the gen X,Y,Z'ers) that find radio
> > passe' to somehow "sell" them on tuning in so that the
> radio
> > stations can make their money by bringing the right type
> of
> > listener to their station for that ad client. Sounds like
>
> > radio may be in for a rough ride and eventual extinction
> as
> > our society, especially the young are a very visual group
> > who want pictures to go along with the music ie, MTV, VH1,
>
> > CMT, etc. I've tried tuning in to those and don't find
> the
> > visual at all enhansing to hearing the sound or the
> feeling
> > of the music, etc, which as a musician I'm more focused
> on.
> > Frankly, I find the visual distracting from the music. Of
>
> > course, my age probably doesn't help as I just don't "get
> > it". Of course the kids already have cell phones that
> have
> > video cameras, computer games, calculators, wireless
> > internet capiblities, etc and God only knows what else
> that
> > phone can do at their ears now, so it may truly be too
> late
> > for radio.
> >
> > Here's an idea that might work to attract the younger
> > listener. Some of the radio talk shows video cam their
> > shows (Limbaugh, I believe Radio Times on WHYY-FM does
> this
> > too). Why not a rock FM station video caming their drive
> > time jocks, then the kids might tune in on their cell
> phones
> > to see and hear the music on line. Obviously this
> couldn't
> > be done off drive time when most stations are either on
> the
> > bird or voice tracking, but drive time might be a
> > possiblity.
> >
> > > You are thinking of yourself as an individual (as you
> > > should). Marketers think of groups and they play a
> > numbers
> > > game.
> > >
> > > Marketers play by the 80/20 rule. The numbers are not
> > exact
> > > but the principle is. 20% of customers account for 80%
> > > sales. The most frequent customers of fast food
> > restaurants
> > > eat at one 10 times or more a week. Others may go once
> or
> >
> > > twice a month. If you are McDonald's (or Burger King,
> > > Wendy's, KFC ...) you want to attract that top 20%. And
>
> > if
> > > you know that most people in that 20% are 18 to 35 years
>
> > of
> > > age, you are going to want to buy time on radio stations
>
> > > that reach that kind of audience. (Purchasing becomes
> > even
> > > more concentrated in some product categories. In beer,
> > it's
> > > the 95/5 rule. People in the top category average more
> > than
> > > a case a day. Years ago, one brewer went explicitly
> after
> >
> > > the most frequent drinker segment with the campaign:
> > > "Schaefer is one beer to have when you're having more
> than
> >
> > > one.")
> > >
> > > Marketers go by return on investment. How much in
> > > additional sales does the advertising dollar yield?
> > > Obviously, reaching a frequent purchaser yields more
> than
> > > reaching an occasional purchaser.
> > >
> > > Marketers value new business more than loyalty. This is
>
> > why
> > > you get credit card offers (and other offers) offering
> you
> > a
> > > much better deal to switch than you get from your
> current
> > > bank. (Not that business people are any smarter than
> the
> > > rest of us. This strategy ignores that all their
> > > competitors do the same and all this approach does is
> > create
> > > customer churn.) But if you are a loyal Penny's
> customer,
> >
> > > they are not as concerned about you as they are about
> > > attracting new customers. Marketing managers get
> promoted
> >
> > > for new business (not repeat business). Sales graphs
> must
> >
> > > always go up (or people get fired). Additional business
>
> > is
> > > incrementally more profitable than existing business.
> If
> > > you make and sell 2,000,000 widgets this year your
> revenue
> >
> > > may double - but your operating costs do not. And
> > customer
> > > loyalty is mostly less fixed among younger consumers.
> > > Marketing people tend not to look at long-term issues
> > (which
> > > is why they value advertising reach over frequency), but
>
> > > J.C. Penny is still reaping sales from the money they
> > spent
> > > to reach you on WAMS, Wibbage or WFIL when you were in
> the
> >
> > > money demos.
> > >
> > > For marketers, the downside of customer loyalty in older
>
> > > consumers is it becomes harder to get people to change,
> > > switch or try something new (this makes advertising less
>
> > > effective and lowers return on investment). For
> example,
> > > you buy CD's. You are a dissatisfied radio user. And
> you
> >
> > > are slow to embrace a new technology (satellite radio)
> > which
> > > programs the music you like (and lots of it). And you
> > keep
> > > buying CD's rather than moving to mp3 players and the
> > > advantages this new technology offers.
> > >
> > > Marketers don't think like the seed sower in the
> parable.
> >
> > > They are careful to put their seed only on the most
> > > productive land, just like real farmers.
> > >
> > > Marketers speak of targets but they mostly interested
> only
> >
> > > in bulls-eyes - until the market for a given product
> > > "matures." Marketers first go for the greatest yield
> and
> > > pick the low hanging fruit. Only when that has been
> > > exhausted do they think of picking at the top of the
> tree.
> >
> > > Once the under 50 market for computers has been
> saturated
> > do
> > > marketers think of trying to get their parents to buy a
> > > computer, too.
> > >
> > > Marketers decide on strategy. Ad agencies recommend
> > tactics
> > > which marketers then approve (or not). Neither are
> > > interested in suggestions from Oldies stations on
> > > opportunities for marketing to older consumers. Radio
> > > stations respond to clients' needs and wishes but they
> are
> >
> > > not really in a position to change anyone's mind about
> > what
> > > those wishes and needs should be.
> > >
> >
>
 
Re: How about some optimism

In a nutshell, one of the things that radio will have to do is continue to attract younger listeners. That does mean that radio will have to do some things differently in order to do so, but I think it will happen. Competition is a good thing.


> It's hard to see much of a future for radio when all you
> hear is radio only wants young people, who as a group don't
> want radio, at least that's what keeps being said on these
> boards by folks who seem to be in the know. So if you used
> to have a loyal audience of 76 million boomers who you no
> longer want, but are going after a smaller group of 60
> million who do not want your product, that to my way of
> thinking isn't a good business model. However, I do agree
> with you that the owners of radio stations are not about to
> let their facilities that are worth millions of dollars each
> lose value and become worthless, if they can help it. So it
> will require some creative thinking to once again reinvent
> radio to pull in that smaller, but desired group. As many
> have lamented here, AM radio is in the worse shape as the
> young already don't tune in to AM. I could see AM going
> more and more ethnic to serve the underserved populations
> (Spanish, Korean, Muslim, etc). FM could stream on line as
> you said and as I said do the cam cast thing to add the
> visual that might appeal to the kids. There are probably
> other ways for FM to stay viable, but from what I read here
> that so far hasn't happened for either AM or FM.
>
> One thing that may help keep FM in the game is many
> employers do not allow employees to stream online with the
> company computers as it uses alot of the companies computer
> system networking space. My fulltime employer is one (I
> work part time in radio), they have a fire wall set up that
> does not allow anyone to listen to webcasts from on line
> sources or from radio online broadcasts. So the choice is
> CD's, cassette tapes, or Radio. As the technology improves
> that too might no longer be an issue, but is today for many
> or you might see even less young people listening to radio
> at work now.
>
> > Your post sounds a little doom and gloom to me. If TV
> didn't
> > kill radio in the 1950s, satellite or i-pods aren't going
> to
> > kill it now. Satellite radio can never be a local
> > advertising medium and I really don't see how i-pods could
>
> > be a viable advertising medium period. That doesn't mean
> > that I don't think terrestrial radio will undergo a lot of
>
> > changes, because it will and will have to in order to
> > survive (like it did to survive TV half a century ago). I
>
> > think the biggest change that will come about is if/when
> > wireless internet becomes the standard technology. Radio
> > stations that do a great job of branding themselves online
>
> > will come out ahead in the wireless internet world and I
> can
> > one day see that webstreaming will be the primary way that
>
> > people listen to local radio and some stations will start
> > turning their transmitters off because of redundancy. I
> > could be wrong, but it's fun to speculate.
> >
> >
>
 
Re: How about some optimism

"That's where you sound more right. People will do anything these days to avoid commercials. And alot or most can, and even more in the future."

Terrestrial radio will always be a medium that relies on advertising (or underwriting for non-comms) to turn a profit, but that doesn't necessarily mean that 30 or 60 second commercials are the only means of advertising on radio. I think you'll see an increased value placed on quick sponsorship messages attached to programming elements like weather, traffic, etc. that local radio will still be able to deliver that other media can't. It's a matter of re-defining what "commercials" are. There's more than one way to earn advertising revenue.

Keep in mind, local businesses will still have to advertise in order to grow their businesses. Satellite or i-pods aren't an option, so local advertisers will still be looking at radio, television, or newspapers as an option for the foreseeable future. In the future, it's up to radio to be the most attractive medium for local advertisers to reach potential customers. Yes, radio is competing against new technology like satellite or i-pods, etc., but only for listeners and not for revenue. It's up to radio to meet the challenge of attracting an audience while remaining a viable advertising medium. It's a good bet to say that ten or twenty years from now, terrestrial radio programming will be entirely different than it is now, but I don't see it dying. The only thing that has been constant in radio is that its always changing and evolving and there's no reason why it won't continue to change and evolve. If I knew all the answers, I'd hire myself out as a consultant and become a rich man, but I don't know what will happen. I do believe that the medium as a whole will figure it out.



> Your starting to sound right. and the reason....
>
>
> > Your post sounds a little doom and gloom to me. If TV
> didn't
> > kill radio in the 1950s,
>
> The reason why TV didn't kill radio in the 50's because
> there were still many things that TV couldn't do that radio
> can. Like go contemporary. Once that 15 year ASCAP
> publishing lawsuits were solved.....radio no longer needed
> their serials, and ballroom dances, along with their
> transcibed programming.
>
>
> satellite or i-pods aren't going to
> > kill it now. Satellite radio can never be a local
> > advertising medium and I really don't see how i-pods could
>
> > be a viable advertising medium period.
>
> It doesn't need too. You'll subscribe to everything, in one
> big package. Plus you'll download what you want. The media
> entertainment seems to be more on the national edge of
> everything anyhow.
>
> That doesn't mean
> > that I don't think terrestrial radio will undergo a lot of
>
> > changes, because it will and will have to in order to
> > survive (like it did to survive TV half a century ago). I
>
> > think the biggest change that will come about is if/when
> > wireless internet becomes the standard technology. Radio
> > stations that do a great job of branding themselves online
>
> > will come out ahead in the wireless internet world and I
> can
> > one day see that webstreaming will be the primary way that
>
> > people listen to local radio and some stations will start
> > turning their transmitters off because of redundancy. I
> > could be wrong, but it's fun to speculate.
> >
> > That's where you sound more right. People will do anything
> these days to avoid commercials. And alot or most can, and
> even more in the future.
> The internet can perform or provide as much or more then
> basic TV and radio can together. Yes , maybe not now, but
> this time it will be doom and gloom for the radio.
> Especially AM.
>
>
>
> > > The 80/20 rule. I can see that, even if I wish it
> didn't
> > > work that way, but I can see that from a business
> > > perspective. I can't imagine eating at McDonald's 10
> > times
> > > in a week (my arteries harden just thinking of it, haha
> !)
> >
> > > Yes, I can see why McDonald's, and the rest of the fast
> > food
> > > world don't target me as I rarely eat there and it's
> only
> > as
> > > a last resort. I guess that does show my age. I do
> > > remember the Schaefer beer commercials and the song. Do
>
> > > they still brew Schaefer beer or Balentine(Hey get your
> > cold
> > > beer, hey get your Balentine, hey get your ice cold
> beer,
> > > get your ice cold Balentine beer) ?
> > >
> > > I can see your point about businesses not rewarding
> brand
> > > loyalty in terms of radio advertising as they've already
>
> > > "got" you as their customer, they've just got to keep
> you
> > > coming in and sales catalogs in the newspaper do that
> > > probably better than a radio spot.
> > >
> > > You're correct too, probably most of us "older middle
> > agers"
> > > or boomers are not as comfortable with the newer
> > > technologies ( I just want to be able to set up the
> > blasted
> > > VCR to record a show I don't need all the other bells
> and
> > > whistles they put on them that makes them very difficult
>
> > to
> > > use, haha !). In many ways you become a "Luddite" as
> you
> > > age as it gets harder and harder to keep up with all the
>
> > new
> > > tech stuff. Of course, the kids can program that vcr
> with
> >
> > > their eyes closed in 30 seconds and figure out how to
> > unlock
> > > the parental controls on cable or satellite TV controls
> so
> >
> > > they can watch what their parents wish they wouldn't.
> > >
> > > So I guess radio is stuck with trying to get that
> smaller
> > > block of population (the gen X,Y,Z'ers) that find radio
> > > passe' to somehow "sell" them on tuning in so that the
> > radio
> > > stations can make their money by bringing the right type
>
> > of
> > > listener to their station for that ad client. Sounds
> like
> >
> > > radio may be in for a rough ride and eventual extinction
>
> > as
> > > our society, especially the young are a very visual
> group
> > > who want pictures to go along with the music ie, MTV,
> VH1,
> >
> > > CMT, etc. I've tried tuning in to those and don't find
> > the
> > > visual at all enhansing to hearing the sound or the
> > feeling
> > > of the music, etc, which as a musician I'm more focused
> > on.
> > > Frankly, I find the visual distracting from the music.
> Of
> >
> > > course, my age probably doesn't help as I just don't
> "get
> > > it". Of course the kids already have cell phones that
> > have
> > > video cameras, computer games, calculators, wireless
> > > internet capiblities, etc and God only knows what else
> > that
> > > phone can do at their ears now, so it may truly be too
> > late
> > > for radio.
> > >
> > > Here's an idea that might work to attract the younger
> > > listener. Some of the radio talk shows video cam their
> > > shows (Limbaugh, I believe Radio Times on WHYY-FM does
> > this
> > > too). Why not a rock FM station video caming their
> drive
> > > time jocks, then the kids might tune in on their cell
> > phones
> > > to see and hear the music on line. Obviously this
> > couldn't
> > > be done off drive time when most stations are either on
> > the
> > > bird or voice tracking, but drive time might be a
> > > possiblity.
> > >
> > > > You are thinking of yourself as an individual (as you
> > > > should). Marketers think of groups and they play a
> > > numbers
> > > > game.
> > > >
> > > > Marketers play by the 80/20 rule. The numbers are not
>
> > > exact
> > > > but the principle is. 20% of customers account for
> 80%
> > > > sales. The most frequent customers of fast food
> > > restaurants
> > > > eat at one 10 times or more a week. Others may go
> once
> > or
> > >
> > > > twice a month. If you are McDonald's (or Burger King,
>
> > > > Wendy's, KFC ...) you want to attract that top 20%.
> And
> >
> > > if
> > > > you know that most people in that 20% are 18 to 35
> years
> >
> > > of
> > > > age, you are going to want to buy time on radio
> stations
> >
> > > > that reach that kind of audience. (Purchasing becomes
>
> > > even
> > > > more concentrated in some product categories. In
> beer,
> > > it's
> > > > the 95/5 rule. People in the top category average
> more
> > > than
> > > > a case a day. Years ago, one brewer went explicitly
> > after
> > >
> > > > the most frequent drinker segment with the campaign:
> > > > "Schaefer is one beer to have when you're having more
> > than
> > >
> > > > one.")
> > > >
> > > > Marketers go by return on investment. How much in
> > > > additional sales does the advertising dollar yield?
> > > > Obviously, reaching a frequent purchaser yields more
> > than
> > > > reaching an occasional purchaser.
> > > >
> > > > Marketers value new business more than loyalty. This
> is
> >
> > > why
> > > > you get credit card offers (and other offers) offering
>
> > you
> > > a
> > > > much better deal to switch than you get from your
> > current
> > > > bank. (Not that business people are any smarter than
> > the
> > > > rest of us. This strategy ignores that all their
> > > > competitors do the same and all this approach does is
> > > create
> > > > customer churn.) But if you are a loyal Penny's
> > customer,
> > >
> > > > they are not as concerned about you as they are about
> > > > attracting new customers. Marketing managers get
> > promoted
> > >
> > > > for new business (not repeat business). Sales graphs
> > must
> > >
> > > > always go up (or people get fired). Additional
> business
> >
> > > is
> > > > incrementally more profitable than existing business.
>
> > If
> > > > you make and sell 2,000,000 widgets this year your
> > revenue
> > >
> > > > may double - but your operating costs do not. And
> > > customer
> > > > loyalty is mostly less fixed among younger consumers.
>
> > > > Marketing people tend not to look at long-term issues
> > > (which
> > > > is why they value advertising reach over frequency),
> but
> >
> > > > J.C. Penny is still reaping sales from the money they
> > > spent
> > > > to reach you on WAMS, Wibbage or WFIL when you were in
>
> > the
> > >
> > > > money demos.
> > > >
> > > > For marketers, the downside of customer loyalty in
> older
> >
> > > > consumers is it becomes harder to get people to
> change,
> > > > switch or try something new (this makes advertising
> less
> >
> > > > effective and lowers return on investment). For
> > example,
> > > > you buy CD's. You are a dissatisfied radio user. And
>
> > you
> > >
> > > > are slow to embrace a new technology (satellite radio)
>
> > > which
> > > > programs the music you like (and lots of it). And you
>
> > > keep
> > > > buying CD's rather than moving to mp3 players and the
> > > > advantages this new technology offers.
> > > >
> > > > Marketers don't think like the seed sower in the
> > parable.
> > >
> > > > They are careful to put their seed only on the most
> > > > productive land, just like real farmers.
> > > >
> > > > Marketers speak of targets but they mostly interested
> > only
> > >
> > > > in bulls-eyes - until the market for a given product
> > > > "matures." Marketers first go for the greatest yield
> > and
> > > > pick the low hanging fruit. Only when that has been
> > > > exhausted do they think of picking at the top of the
> > tree.
> > >
> > > > Once the under 50 market for computers has been
> > saturated
> > > do
> > > > marketers think of trying to get their parents to buy
> a
> > > > computer, too.
> > > >
> > > > Marketers decide on strategy. Ad agencies recommend
> > > tactics
> > > > which marketers then approve (or not). Neither are
> > > > interested in suggestions from Oldies stations on
> > > > opportunities for marketing to older consumers. Radio
>
> > > > stations respond to clients' needs and wishes but they
>
> > are
> > >
> > > > not really in a position to change anyone's mind about
>
> > > what
> > > > those wishes and needs should be.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
 
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