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Oldies Return!

As reported on the Oldies board (and, to tell the tooth, elsewhere, too) WABC is beginning a new oldies show Saturdays 6-10 pm starting this week with Mark Simone as host, reportedly with Musicradio jingles and chime time!
 
> As reported on the Oldies board (and, to tell the tooth,
> elsewhere, too) WABC is beginning a new oldies show
> Saturdays 6-10 pm starting this week with Mark Simone as
> host, reportedly with Musicradio jingles and chime time!
>



John1:

Mark Simone will be a good host. I think it would be even better if former WABC DJs who are off the air had a rotating shift.

If that can't be worked out, Simone should have them on as guest on his first show.

With Simone hosting Saturday night, would this open the door for a host on Saturday morning, Simone's current Saturday shift?

If only AM stereo was perfected, this Saturday Oldies Show would be a clincher for WABC and the return of music on AM.





Thanks,<P ID="signature">______________
Kevin L. Sealy</P>
 
As badly as I want a return of Oldies to the NY airwaves, who wants to listen to music on Buzzy, interference laden, AM Radio?


> > As reported on the Oldies board (and, to tell the tooth,
> > elsewhere, too) WABC is beginning a new oldies show
> > Saturdays 6-10 pm starting this week with Mark Simone as
> > host, reportedly with Musicradio jingles and chime time!
> >
>
>
>
> John1:
>
> Mark Simone will be a good host. I think it would be even
> better if former WABC DJs who are off the air had a rotating
> shift.
>
> If that can't be worked out, Simone should have them on as
> guest on his first show.
>
> With Simone hosting Saturday night, would this open the door
> for a host on Saturday morning, Simone's current Saturday
> shift?
>
> If only AM stereo was perfected, this Saturday Oldies Show
> would be a clincher for WABC and the return of music on AM.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
 
> As badly as I want a return of Oldies to the NY airwaves,
> who wants to listen to music on Buzzy, interference laden,
> AM Radio?


OK, the frequency response isn't very good, but you must be pretty far away from Lodi, NJ to hear anything interfere with WABC.
 
> > As badly as I want a return of Oldies to the NY airwaves,
> > who wants to listen to music on Buzzy, interference laden,
>
> > AM Radio?
>
>
> OK, the frequency response isn't very good, but you must be
> pretty far away from Lodi, NJ to hear anything interfere
> with WABC.
>
If you are near something producing electric interference even in Lodi, NJ, you can't hear WABC.<P ID="signature">______________
17-year-old radio geek
Location: Princeton Junction, NJ
AIM: KewlDude471
WWPH 107.9 FM: http://wwph1079fm.no-ip.org</P>
 
Does wabc transmit in Hd at all?
and aren't there hd radio's out there on the market yet?

p.s I don't see much of an interference probelm as long as you put your radio near the window if you can or the side of a building that faces out of it...

> > > As badly as I want a return of Oldies to the NY
> airwaves,
> > > who wants to listen to music on Buzzy, interference
> laden,
> >
> > > AM Radio?
> >
> >
> > OK, the frequency response isn't very good, but you must
> be
> > pretty far away from Lodi, NJ to hear anything interfere
> > with WABC.
> >
> If you are near something producing electric interference
> even in Lodi, NJ, you can't hear WABC.
>
 
I live in Central PA, and WABC comes in crystal clear here, I'm gonna love listening saturday nights..




Does wabc transmit in Hd at all?
> and aren't there hd radio's out there on the market yet?
>
> p.s I don't see much of an interference probelm as long as
> you put your radio near the window if you can or the side of
> a building that faces out of it...
>
> > > > As badly as I want a return of Oldies to the NY
> > airwaves,
> > > > who wants to listen to music on Buzzy, interference
> > laden,
> > >
> > > > AM Radio?
> > >
> > >
> > > OK, the frequency response isn't very good, but you must
>
> > be
> > > pretty far away from Lodi, NJ to hear anything interfere
>
> > > with WABC.
> > >
> > If you are near something producing electric interference
> > even in Lodi, NJ, you can't hear WABC.
> >
>
 
I live near Philadelphia, Pa and I know I will be listening as well as a ton of others in Southeastern Pa. I hope this will be successful. I also hope that we will have visiting guests or guest hosts.
 
> I live near Philadelphia, Pa and I know I will be listening
> as well as a ton of others in Southeastern Pa. I hope this
> will be successful. I also hope that we will have visiting
> guests or guest hosts.
>
The reception was never a problem out here on Long Island, where WABC reached and ruled millions of listeners and sold trillions of records for Elvis,Beatles,Supremes, Frampton, Disco,bubble gum, hit singles from the Archies to Led Zeppelin and everything in between,and the music business was never more exciting or more successful(unlike it's current,pitiful state) than during those AM days when they front and back announced each record, told you who the artist was AND WHAT NUMBER IT WAS ON THE WEEKLY CHART! Every song was treated as an event,and the audience responded, instead of 22 songs in a row named who knows what as performed by God knows who! Welcome back, WABC!<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by lalumia on 12/02/05 12:33 AM.</FONT></P>
 
WELCOME HOME, WABC!!! (was Re: Oldies Return!)

I, for one, am QUITE excited about return of Musicradio 77 WABC, every Saturday night! I will be working in Manchester, NH on Saturday nights, BUT WABC with it's SUPER signal will do just fine here. This is a GREAT idea and I am sure many listeners up and down the coast and well inland will be listening to 77! This is great!

73, (or shall I say.... seventy-seven!)

Peter Q.


> As reported on the Oldies board (and, to tell the tooth,
> elsewhere, too) WABC is beginning a new oldies show
> Saturdays 6-10 pm starting this week with Mark Simone as
> host, reportedly with Musicradio jingles and chime time!
> <P ID="signature">______________
Peter Q. George (K1XRB)
Whitman, Massachusetts</P>
 
> > I live near Philadelphia, Pa and I know I will be
> listening
> > as well as a ton of others in Southeastern Pa. I hope this
>
> > will be successful. I also hope that we will have visiting
>
> > guests or guest hosts.
> >
> The reception was never a problem out here on Long Island,
> where WABC reached and ruled millions of listeners and sold
> trillions of records for Elvis,Beatles,Supremes, Frampton,
> Disco,bubble gum, hit singles from the Archies to Led
> Zeppelin and everything in between,and the music business
> was never more exciting or more successful(unlike it's
> current,pitiful state) than during those AM days when they
> front and back announced each record, told you who the
> artist was AND WHAT NUMBER IT WAS ON THE WEEKLY CHART! Every
> song was treated as an event,and the audience responded,
> instead of 22 songs in a row named who knows what as
> performed by God knows who! Welcome back, WABC!

I don't think I will be able to hear it in Central Florida. Another good reason to leave besides the hurricanes, the politics, and the fire ants. Hope this becomes contagious and spreads to other dayparts.
>
 
Not good enough :-(

I realize I don't live anywhere near New York City so it real doesn't effect me either way.

That said, as a fan of CBS FM (collected aircheck, listened online, etc), a 4 hour oldies show on AM will not appease me, and it should not appease you. Oldies is a format, not a show.

Now, I am not saying that it is a bad thing that WABC will play oldies. But I fear that this will silence those who wish for Oldies to come back to New York full time. A "memeries" weekend show on an AM is nothing new. KFMB AM in San Diego did that for years before the host moved on to bigger and better things.

Sorry ABC, not good enough...
:-(

> As reported on the Oldies board (and, to tell the tooth,
> elsewhere, too) WABC is beginning a new oldies show
> Saturdays 6-10 pm starting this week with Mark Simone as
> host, reportedly with Musicradio jingles and chime time!
>
 
This is a very interesting development and quite unexpected.

Me! I'll be in Charlotte, NC. Even though I was one of the first to flee to the better sounds of FM radio most FM stations have spotsets that go on forever and most sound dull.

WABC was a lot of things but never dull! Plus 50's and 60's oldies still sound great on AM since the music was designed for AM radio in the first place.

Anything that replaces the "political talk sludge" heard on most AM stations has got to be an improvement.

MikeM


> As badly as I want a return of Oldies to the NY airwaves,
> who wants to listen to music on Buzzy, interference laden,
> AM Radio?
>
>
 
> If only AM stereo was perfected, this Saturday Oldies Show
> would be a clincher for WABC and the return of music on AM.

It was "perfected" when the FCC finally decided in the early 90's that the Motorola C-Quam system would be the AM stereo standard. I'm in Boston, where there are still two AM stereo stations in the area (there was almost a dozen 10 to 15 years ago), and they sound much better than you would expect for AM on wideband AM stereo receivers (assuming you're in a location where you're getting a clean signal). Unfortunately, just about the only place such receivers may be available nowadays is occasionally on eBay.

Unfortunately, they took so many years to get around to making that decision that AM stereo stations were already dropping music formats and stereo broadcasting by then, because the limited amounts of AM stereo receivers that were manufactured during the previous years didn't allow many people to listen to AM in stereo, resulting in ratings far lower for music programming than the stations had hoped for. By that time, many AM stereo music stations had already switched to news, talk, sports, etc... it was too late.

The death knell for AM stereo is HD digital (IBOC) broadcasting on AM. Unlike FM, there's not enough bandwidth on an AM broadcast signal to support both analog stereo and IBOC digital, so any AM stations that plan to run IBOC must dump AM stereo if they still have it.
 
> The death knell for AM stereo is HD digital (IBOC)
> broadcasting on AM. Unlike FM, there's not enough bandwidth
> on an AM broadcast signal to support both analog stereo and
> IBOC digital, so any AM stations that plan to run IBOC must
> dump AM stereo if they still have it.
>

Wait a minute?
I thought the HD signal was itself in stereo?
So why is it a "death knell?" I think you mean the process of broadcating in the old AM band.

But if IBOC is as good at it is claimed, AM is supposed to sound as sharp as FM. So why would we even want the old AM stereo?

Explain?
 
> > The death knell for AM stereo is HD digital (IBOC)
> > broadcasting on AM. Unlike FM, there's not enough bandwidth
> > on an AM broadcast signal to support both analog stereo and
> > IBOC digital, so any AM stations that plan to run IBOC must
> > dump AM stereo if they still have it.
>
> Wait a minute?
> I thought the HD signal was itself in stereo?
> So why is it a "death knell?" I think you mean the process
> of broadcating in the old AM band.

It's the "death knell" to analog AM stereo. Of course, the HD signal (only) can be in stereo.

> But if IBOC is as good at it is claimed, AM is supposed to
> sound as sharp as FM. So why would we even want the old AM
> stereo?

#1): IBOC receivers are expensive, and have yet to come down in price.

#2): In many cases, many AM stations aren't allowed to use IBOC at night.

#3): IBOC may not have as much signal range per given wattage as analog.

#4): Analog AM stereo doesn't pollute the band with nearly as much adjacent channel noise as IBOC.

I'm sure I could think of more...
 
> It's the "death knell" to analog AM stereo. Of course, the
> HD signal (only) can be in stereo.
>

Good...

> > But if IBOC is as good at it is claimed, AM is supposed to
>
> > sound as sharp as FM. So why would we even want the old AM
>
> > stereo?
>
> #1): IBOC receivers are expensive, and have yet to come down
> in price.

That's true with any new technology. They will eventually, I'm sure...

>
> #2): In many cases, many AM stations aren't allowed to use
> IBOC at night.

AM analogue is like that too, isn't it?

>
> #3): IBOC may not have as much signal range per given
> wattage as analog.

Well, same with FM, and we don't cry about that. People will be upset that they can no longer DX out of their market. But it was naive to beleive that this would always be the case, or that it should be. Again, nothing lost, imho.
>
> #4): Analog AM stereo doesn't pollute the band with nearly
> as much adjacent channel noise as IBOC.

Again, same answer as before. I was in Boston, and while there was some co-channel polluting, I was able to get every in-market AM. So I'm not sure that's a real issue.

>
> I'm sure I could think of more...

Keep going, I'm curious...
 
> > #2): In many cases, many AM stations aren't allowed to use IBOC at night.
>
> AM analogue is like that too, isn't it?

Not nearly to the same extent. Some AM stations must lower power, change directional pattern, or sign off at night, but many more of them who don't have to do any of those things still have to shut off their IBOC due to the adjacent channel interference with nighttime skywave.

An example is WBZ here in Boston. It's authorized to run the same power and pattern 24 hours, but still must shut off it's IBOC every night.

WMKI here in Boston also runs the same power (though with different patterns) 24 hours, but must shut off their IBOC at night.

I don't know how many NYC AM's broadcast with IBOC. I know that WOR does, and they must shut theirs off at night as well.

WABC does not (yet) run IBOC, but if they did, they would most likely have to shut it off at night as well due to adjacent channel skywave interference issues. That would mean that in winter months, this new Saturday evening oldies program would not air on the IBOC at all. In the summer, perhaps a couple of hours of it might air on the IBOC before sundown.

However, if WABC was broadcasting in analog AM stereo, the oldies program could be heard in stereo sound almost as good as FM stereo on wideband analog AM stereo receivers within their primary Greater NYC listening area (and wherever else they cover cleanly), and the entire northeastern U.S. could hear it in AM stereo (though not as cleanly) on the skywave after sundown.

With IBOC, assuming that I'm correct that they would have to shut it off at night, only a couple of hours of the show could be heard in stereo (and on HD radios only) during certain times of the year, and not at all at other times.
 
> > > I live near Philadelphia, Pa and I know I will be
> > listening
> > > as well as a ton of others in Southeastern Pa. I hope
> this
> >
> > > will be successful. I also hope that we will have
> visiting
> >
> > > guests or guest hosts.
> > >
> > The reception was never a problem out here on Long Island,
>
> > where WABC reached and ruled millions of listeners and
> sold
> > trillions of records for Elvis,Beatles,Supremes, Frampton,
>
> > Disco,bubble gum, hit singles from the Archies to Led
> > Zeppelin and everything in between,and the music business
> > was never more exciting or more successful(unlike it's
> > current,pitiful state) than during those AM days when they
>
> > front and back announced each record, told you who the
> > artist was AND WHAT NUMBER IT WAS ON THE WEEKLY CHART!
> Every
> > song was treated as an event,and the audience responded,
> > instead of 22 songs in a row named who knows what as
> > performed by God knows who! Welcome back, WABC!
>
> I don't think I will be able to hear it in Central
> Florida. Another good reason to leave besides the
> hurricanes, the politics, and the fire ants. Hope this
> becomes contagious and spreads to other dayparts.
> >
>

I would like to see it not only spread to other dayparts (which probably won't happen) but to other news/talk stations with too much politcal whatevers and infomercials. I'll try to listen in Memphis...I can get WABC if the conditions are right...I will be checking the webstream
 
Nothing is good enough, isn't it?

Just appreciate it a little, its better than nothing. If you lived in the area, would you rather have a four hour oldies show on AM or absolutely no oldies?
 
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