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Oldies?

I’ve read a few comments that there is no "oldies" format in Atlanta right now. This is true, but what would be the playlist? I think big band and doo wop, are oldies, while the young whipper snapper probably thinks of 80’s and maybe even early 90’s.

Q: What is considered "oldies" these days?
 
I'd rather have a good standards station playing the likes of Michael Buble',Diana Krall,Harry Connick jr.,Jane Monheit,Chris Botti and Art Garfunkel who has a terrific new standards cd mixed in with the classics like Sinatra and some of the better oldies from the 60's and 70's. Now That's Music!
 
It's also kind of funny that you have classic acts like the Eagles and Bruce Springsteen putting out new material, quality material, and very few stations to play it. I mean, how many stations are there in Atlanta that would play this new material by such time tested acts? How many stations would play a new Mark Knopfler song? My my, has the radio landscape changed in the past 20 years.
 
I agree with amlover, people in Atlanta Radio don't know what real music is. We need a station that plays standards and easy listening, along with some oldies.
 
I'll have to agree with Brent. I would consider anything over 25 years old to be an oldie which would mean any song from 1980 or 1981 and older.
 
Isn't this what Weber's station does, but it's mocked because of lack of direction and that it's just his iPod?
 
OutOfTheBiz said:
SalesWeasel said:
Get Sirius or XM. 8)

Great advice. Please tune away from our station so our ratings will continue down the steep hill and I will eventually have nothing left to sell.

For OLDIES. Terrestrial radio is no longer an option, so if you enjoy good oldies music there's nothing comparable to satellite, or the internet, or your ipod, or Comcast's "Music First".
 
All the personal druthers aside (like core jazz and the amlover suggested format), oldies is a word that should be buried. I conceptualized a music format called THE GREATEST MUSIC EVER PLAYED.

I'd love to plug it in to ANY market but the test monkeys and research rats that justify everything they do by some outmoded and lame methodology to arrive at what they want to play anyway, is going to keep any real new progressive format off the air.

This is the way in just about everything in America today --- nothing PROGRESSIVE and everything REGRESSIVE. Well, science moves on and even our President shoots it down. Like a guy with the IQ of a walnut, even knows what he is talking about.

You must first accept that it isn't the MARKET that doesn't know how to make exceptional radio - it is the INDUSTRY, as a whole.

Look at the people they hire to run the show, for the most part. Expert, wannabes. If guys like DAN MASON could have charge of the entire business, not just CBS, you might see a renaissance or revival of radio in the classic sense and lots of creativity would start to spark

You can sit there and come up with all the great ideas that would have listeners so excited that you could convince them to burn their I PODS but the current climate of stagnant status quo will
never let it happen. These companies have an agenda (besides spinning, selling, trading, and acquiring properties). They just want to CONTROL media and they want it to be as mind-numbing and "safe" as it can be.

OLDIES doesn't have to be CALLED anything. People know what the music is. One of the guys I'd like to hear back on radio, CLEVELAND WHEELER, is the guy that Lee Abrams chose to design the 60s format for XM. Wheeler was the one that renamed the oldies category of channel line up, DECADES. Principally, this came to be why the word, OLDIES was never spoken on ANY of the XM decade channels.

WHEELER made a case for the negative connotation to aging, outmoded and obsolete. Even people who are "older" do not want to be reminded that they are. I know it is hard to conceive, but as people age, many of them still believe they are young of mind.

They hear their music as NEW as it ever was and eternally will ever be. IT is the soundtrack of their lives.

HOW MANY CORPORATE PROGRAMMING CATS get this? If you can name them, then ask them why they are still researching and "testing" songs that have already proven themselves to be bona fde hits worthy of playing?

There are lots of people in radio professing to have answers and they will agree with you on the philosophical common sense all day long but they do not WALK THE WALK.

In all conscience, what would YOU do if you had a station and bold, clean slate? Out of the years of brainwash, would you start systematically eliminating things and adding things just for a "sound" -- excluding others because they don't fit what YOU hear as the correct presentation?

You think the "oldies" listener cares about your sqeaky clean concept of how these songs should be programmed? NO. Because in the 50s, 60s and 70s, he head them all played in one format..The Who next to Leslie Gore next to the Beatles and Canned Heat, then the Archies.

TRAIN WRECK, you say? No, this was the way radio WAS and it was rich will all that texture of sound and FUN to listen to.

LISTENERS didn't hear songs and identify them as "powers" or some category only radio people attach to a formula. They hear them fondly, as songs the like or dislike and even the BAD one bring back memories.

Every decade has it's distinction and predictably, music starts to change around the last two years of a decade, (except for the 90s-2000 cusp, which has to be the worst era of music ever)
so, in my view, in this day, CLASSICS (I hate the word, OLDIES) are songs from the 80s (whole decade), 70s, 60s, and 50s. I mark these by the point at which music classified as ROCK N' ROLL
was being played.

Could you create some big noise with a format like this? ABSOLUTELY but unless the biz can steal it from Canada (JACK) or just add a little salt and pepper to a dying format, they aren't going to listen to anyone with a better idea than they have (not that they have any so there is your chance for success)

Now, radio and the record business want to make sure that even if you play music not for profit on the net, that you pay through the arse for the privilege of doing so. It won't be long before all the media big shots are going for control of the net too so the only way innovation will win out, is to find that golden niche ahead of the curve and hold on to it.

Anyone who can be the next MY SPACE or YOU TUBE of radio on the new media, is FRONTIER KING....and it ain;t even begun to happen yet.

When broadband pops to cars via repeaters and wi-fied cities, terrestrial radio is a junk yard of towers.
 
You know, you can make a statement SEEM TO BE FACTUAL if you put it in caps and use them SPARINGLY.
Your premise seems to be, ever body who manages radio properties is stupid. I can't agree. Sooner or later, someone with some smarts would come along and eat everyone else's lunch if that were the caSE. It isn't.

If such a format properly done will SET THE WOODS ON FIRE then it shouild be fairly easy to rent a signal in the hinterlands, put it on, and then ride the buzz to the big city. (We call it an LMA) You can be the hro and become rich.

In that the bulk of the folks running radio stations have some semblance of intelligence, you got to figure the current offering is what the current situation (Economically and regulatorily) will embrace.

You could actually call that format you'ver described the music your life revolves around, or perhaps MUSIC OF YOUR LIFE. Uh, oops, no ya can't, someone already servicemarked that. And it hasn't lit the whirled afire.

Let us know which station you've got your classic format on, and we'll all give it a listen.
 
No matter how you define it, there is a empty space for oldies in Atlanta. I'd bet running wall to wall reruns of AT40 from the mid 70's would get a better share than the Bull.
 
Right you are Littlejohn.....
If all management was really that stupid then Ray McMartin would still be sellin' transmitters and I would be playin' trailer music in morning drive.
Abraham Lincoln: We get the government we deserve. Taylorengineer: We get the radio we deserve AND want.
And some of us turn OFF the radio.....
 
DashRiprock said:
No matter how you define it, there is a empty space for oldies in Atlanta. I'd bet running wall to wall reruns of AT40 from the mid 70's would get a better share than the Bull.


I agree. That would be fun to hear. ;D I am a huge oldies fan anyway. When will it ever come back???
 
radioatlantis said:
(except for the 90s-2000 cusp, which has to be the worst era of music ever)

On the radio, maybe. But not entirely.
 
Radio in Atlanta is spelled, too much country, overdone progressive rock, too much urban, and forget the rest. Oldies, Classics, Decades,What ever in the hell you call it, it does have a place. I have XM radio in my ride and even though I like it, I get tired of it too. XM has a pretty good selection of classics, 60s 70s 80s and even Standards. For the last month and a half I havent even turned on my XM and it has been kinda cool. I have listened to signals here in the ATL that I consider to be nothing more than total wastes. We have some great Am signals that are total nightmare's.. We have Fm signal's that have formats that are repeated on more than one station. But it is true that just a few comments back one compared how radio of say the 1970's was so (Train-Wrekesh) but it worked and sounded really great. Does XM do this, sure they do! But the problem lies in the fact that XM is not local its NATIONWIDE. I cant stand 60's on XM.. The Music is great, but for example
Plash Phelps who is in morning drive sounds like hes Milktoast. He is always talking about all of his travels and doing silly contests about these pictures and travels.. I know it lets all who have XM be a part of the show, but radio here would be nice again to hear a local morning show who played the music, didnt want to ramble and carry on and do bit after bit, and really just focus on basics, Music, Traffic, some news, some contests and then stick to it to make a great station. My Opnion is that stations that call themselves Oldies Stations, make too much noise about the fact they are playing whats called oldies.. Just play the Damn Music, mix it correctly
have some real shows that make sense and then you might have a easy station to listen to all the time. OH, and you need more than 200 songs from the 60s to call yourself oldies, or decades. Today I got tired of Atlanta's Am and Fm stations and decided to go to my XM.. Believe it or not I listened to Standards for over three hours and was very suprised.. I actually enjoyed the music and the artists, and I will listen to it again tomorrow.. Does Atlanta need an Oldies station.... ? YES and in a big way.. But lets do one right this time..
 
Response to comment about my post. My responses enclosed by <<<<>>>>>




You know, you can make a statement SEEM TO BE FACTUAL if you put it in caps and use them SPARINGLY.

<<<<<I came here to share - not get graded on expression via text.>>>>


Your premise seems to be, ever body who manages radio properties is stupid. I can't agree. Sooner or later, someone with some smarts would come along and eat everyone else's lunch if that were the caSE. It isn't.

>>>>No, not that everyone is stupid but that, as an industry, there is only one way to operate and mostly, that is to follow - not to lead. How many innovative ( I mean, people who contribute or create something exceptional) do you see being recognized?

All you have to do is listen and you can confirm that radio is predominantly a collective of cloned formats - no more than templates. The imaging, jingles, brands, jingles, promotions, are all the same. If you never worked in pre-consolidation radio, you wouldn't understand the degree of individuality and originality that radio enjoyed.

Sure, this has always been a business of copycats. The movie business and TV started mimicking radio in the eighties and developing formulas for creating products. Now the movie effects business has become the cliche to movies that the filtered i.d.s with the laser blasts are to radio.
One TV show makes it big and the originating network along with their competitors rush to morph
the formula into a slightly different backdrop with a different name and the same characters. If you don't notice this, you are among a minority in the field who write and complain about it everyday.

I do not think myself the Lone Ranger when making observations about the media. There are a dozen other boards filled with people who are frustrated by it's myopic, self-serving, ivory tower attitudes and it's disregard for people. >>>>

If such a format properly done will SET THE WOODS ON FIRE then it shouild be fairly easy to rent a signal in the hinterlands, put it on, and then ride the buzz to the big city. (We call it an LMA) You can be the hro and become rich.


>>>No need for condescension, radio bro. I know what LMA means. Indeed, if it is so easy to have the open-minds of the industry listen to others outside their circle of Einsteins that keep the industry bound to non-evolving sameness, then it shouldn't be necessary for anyone with a smart product to install something revolutionary or, at the very least, economically beneficial, on one any small number of the thousands of third tier stations owned by the giants.

Since you suggested that I LMA someone else's flounder, I must assume that you already know that this business is not receptive to new ideas, unless they summon them.>>>>

In that the bulk of the folks running radio stations have some semblance of intelligence, you got to figure the current offering is what the current situation (Economically and regulatorily) will embrace.

<<<<<<Ah, there be the rub. You see, the folks who run radio may be intelligent but they only use that intelligence to operate at the capacity of the business model that defines it' own limitations. Economics is the driving machine -- and while the object is to make lots of money, a business - or even a SOCIETY, that sacrifices people and product for profit doesn't inspire new and better ideas. To the contrary, it purposely suppresses any thinking outside of following through with the blueprint. To be innovative, doesn't cost any more money but it sure can make the difference in making it.

Which leads me to this point - corporate radio mindset is to play it safe and not take risks. This, no one can deny. It's part of the mission. Anyone who has sat through the monotonous drivel
by the great business leaders of this industry at an NAB convention, know this to be fact.>>>>

You could actually call that format you've described the music your life revolves around, or perhaps MUSIC OF YOUR LIFE. Uh, oops, no ya can't, someone already servicemarked that. And it hasn't lit the whirled afire.

<<<<Obviously, I have offended you in some way or you would not find it necessary to attack something about which you have no knowledge. I simply stated that I have a great idea that is capable of attracting high cume, great quarter hours, extraordinary loyalty, and healthy revenue.
The reason it can do these things is because is gives the listener something more than the same tight rotation of a small list of songs. It IS what it says it is and not what hype calls it. Honesty makes the difference that people can actually hear.

Part of radio's big problem is that it thinks that people are basically dumb and they will buy anything they have to say and even if they don't believe it, they will consider it fun. WRONG.
Hype is a bad thing - not a good thing. Suppose you buy a boutique beer because it says it has the finest ingredients and its won all kinds of awards and does what no competitor can do for you - delivers satisfaction but, in actuality, it is just monkeypiss in a pretty bottle. You are going to KNOW that you've been had.

It doesn't cost anymore to do it than what is being done now in similar formats. It just doesn't follow the same pseudo-scientific and philosophical line of thinking dictates the current framework. It does require the commitment of more than a year to watch it work...which is a lot to ask in today's climate of "give it a new name" and change the rotation.>>>>>

Let us know which station you've got your classic format on, and we'll all give it a listen

<<<<<I am just another guy, who has been an all-star player, and has a better idea than the present dozen that have been recycling under various labels for the last twenty years. Maybe some day, I''ll find a taker to boldly go.....

As for comments about XM and the 60s channel. I used that as an example of how "oldies" radio can be presented in a manner that is more than playing the same 300 songs for two decades over and over.

I have my preferences about radio personalities too and Phlash Phelps is not one of them. I was speaking of the design of a format that gave current artist information (most people think these guys are dead), thoughtful and relative specials about the music (HERE AND THERE is freaking genius). Wheeler designed features that run daily on the sub-genres of 60s music that have NEVER be an integral part of terrestrial oldies programming. Bubblegum, psychedelic, R&B, surf...

When you listen to that channel, you realize how much is missing from ordinary radio. One has to duly note that this is all accomplished by not having to play commercials too -- but commercial radio could have incorporated these elements in an abbreviated form. They certainly found a way to do the Top Five at Five. (hey, thats exciting after 35 years!)

Take this into consideration....the 60s channel even has a constructed hourly feature that counts down the TOP SIX songs of that week from every year in the 60s... tell me that wasn't a project undertaking of proportion!...and i have NEVER heard one of these brilliant Goliath corporate classic hits stations do anything like it.

As for the guy who wishes that XM channels would just "play the hits" -- that is what I PODS are for. But pretty soon, you won't have to worry about too many PEOPLE interfering with your ideal day because practically all services will be automated in twenty years.

I don't know what any of you hear when you turn on the radio but maybe you'd just like to be proud of what you do that you feel you have to defend it. I love radio too and I enjoy just doing it but one knows when they are a part of something that is unique and they also know when they are a part of something that fails to evolve, year after year.

In this present time, there is absolutely nothing attractive about commercial radio unless you are a salesperson in a hotspot with no caps on your income.>>>>>>
 
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