BTW, did any of the material Paul Anka recorded on his album of remakes about 17 years ago receive airplay on youth-oriented stations? I remember seeing him on a late-night talk show performing Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit," but did he get any radio spins?
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I remember I bought that single for my iPod. But I don't recall how I first found out about it. It's possible he was a talk show, since I was working afternoons at the time and had lots of time to watch morning TV. Maybe it was on a CD that was serviced to my radio station. Not sure.
It's not that they don't have the opportunity. As this thread indicates, there are stations playing those songs, and they all trend over 55. Young people like old rock. Not old pop. That's why so many classic hits stations are adding more rock songs to the mix.
It's not the age of the songs, but rather the songs themselves.
"Stairway to Heaven", as a song title, is probably exponentially more associated with LedZep than with Neil Sedaka. And probably with good reason.
Closer to the topic, someone upthread mentioned blocking of Phoenix's WOW stream. I live in MD and can get WMID's stream on my laptop. How far from AC or Wildwood can others get 'MID's stream? I imagine 'MID is a loss leader for Equity. Iykwim.
There is a thread in LA (I believe) radio forum about what is classic rock. It starts with question “is Carly Simon classic rock” and if an artist (any artist) or selected tracks/albums were played on AOR back in the 70s does that automatically make these tracks classic rock?
I wouldn't say "automatically." The specific example is "You're So Vain" because of the cameo by Mick Jagger. That specific example doesn't extend to the artist's entire catalog. The decision is based on the song, not the artist. So with The Beatles, most classic rock stations stay away from the early stuff and focus mainly on the last two or three albums. The early stuff is generally on oldies stations.
I personally recommend anyone who wants their "oldies" fix to get an Amazon Echo. You tell Alexa to play Me-TV Music (although you may have to say Me-TV FM), Classic Oldies WMID, or any of the other oldies stations mentioned on this thread. I personally haven't turned on my FM tuner in my house because it's just so much more convenient to tell Alexa what I want to hear, especially when commercials come on.
The catch is that music royalties for streaming are constantly increasing. There just was a 15% increase just for songwriters. At some point, those increased costs will show up on user bills. Amazon hopes you'll sign up for Amazon Music, which is between $9 and $12 a month. I expect those will increase soon.
You've been on this gloom-and-doom road for years. Still plenty of radio stations streaming music, still plenty of free places to get music on the internet (yes, with ads). When does the sky finally fall, Chicken Little?
Sirius has been regularly increasing their subscription fees (because they can) every three years, based on CRB rate increases. So it's been happening. The larger radio companies see it as the cost of doing business. They have other ways to make up for losses on the streaming side. But smaller companies don't. The fact that some oldies stations geofence (we talked earlier about KOAI and MeFM) is an indication of where things are going for the oldies format.
WMID uses Surfer Network, which is an outsourced streaming company. I assume they integrate national commercials in the station stream based on the user's IP address, in the way that iHeart does.
This is absolutely true. They do some smoke and mirrors to disguise it, but those rates are going up. Just came up for renewal and I had enough for the time being.
just FYI, you don't have to pay for anything, and there is plenty around, if you like a wide variety of oldies or any other format. I use accuradio which I found in an advertisement on this site, oldies stations site, live one which was slacker and thousands of stations on the net, all you need is some sort of wifi. I have four satellite radios at home, grace digital, ocean, and 2 craig cc's, plus two Iphones, so I'm set anywhere I go to have the classic oh wow oldies at my touch. As far as Sirius/XM goes, why pay for inferior sound quality, repetitious music stations, babbling jocks, when you can have so much more for the cost of the net, free. I do miss turning on a T-radio and hearing my favorite music on my favorite station, the Rockin' Bird and Hyski, but times have changed...I know there will never be a great oldies/standards signal in this area, that I can just tune into without any technology, so thank goodness we have the net..
You have to subscribe to something, and as I said, Amazon hopes you'll choose their plan. But there are ad-based plans as well, and they will increase the number of spots per hour as rates continue to increase. I explained how WMID does it. Their streaming server will target local ads to your IP. You're paying one way or another. If you think you've found a way around it, those loopholes will close at some point. The royalties are just too expensive to give it away. That money goes to the artists and musicians. If you love the music, the least you could do it pay for it.
Just an FYI, SiriusXM has opened unannounced versions of several of their channels on the app/website.
Who did the exact same thing those stations on XM do...which I believe you called babble.
A few points.
First, music lovers are more open to older music or just music in general.
I, like a few others on this thread like the music of my parents, as well as CHR.
But I realize I'm not the norm either.
Second, "You're SO Vain" as classic rock? Never heard that on a classic rock station yet.
Third, There's a reason I believe in paying for Amazon Music Unlimited andApple Music. Lossless sound qualety (another way I'm not a norm.)
At least with S/XM, you get DJs. But yes the sound quality is not good. AcuRadio I like the veriety but again crap sound qualety. But them I'd pay for if they had a paid option and better sound quality.
See I'm not a norm in how I love radio either. I mean come on, how many people do you hear saying that commercials are cool, because they are creative too?
That's how I view radio. Every element is a source of creativity. from the sound of your station, to the jocks, to the programming to the breaks.
The thing is, some people on these forums think they are not geeks and that everyone is like them. they are not lol.
First, music lovers are more open to older music or just music in general.
I, like a few others on this thread like the music of my parents, as well as CHR.
But I realize I'm not the norm either.
Second, "You're SO Vain" as classic rock? Never heard that on a classic rock station yet.
Third, There's a reason I believe in paying for Amazon Music Unlimited andApple Music. Lossless sound qualety (another way I'm not a norm.)
At least with S/XM, you get DJs. But yes the sound quality is not good. AcuRadio I like the veriety but again crap sound qualety. But them I'd pay for if they had a paid option and better sound quality.
See I'm not a norm in how I love radio either. I mean come on, how many people do you hear saying that commercials are cool, because they are creative too?
That's how I view radio. Every element is a source of creativity. from the sound of your station, to the jocks, to the programming to the breaks.
The thing is, some people on these forums think they are not geeks and that everyone is like them. they are not lol.
Statistically, "music lovers" make up about 8% of the radio audience. And there are limitations to the music they will sit through. There is a bunch that refuse to listen to rap. Another group that refuse to listen to country. An even bigger chunk who would never willingly listen to urban. And then of course they'd never listen to any Hispanic format. So when you say they're open to "music in general," there are limitations. I always tell music lovers that if they're bored by repetition, all they need to do is try another format, and they will immediately hear 400 or so songs they've never heard before.
Amen to that!
Urban AC is completely different than classic rock.
And if you listen to WOGL and Ben-FM , you'll hear some differences there too.
Now how about those of us who are music lovers and sound lovers too?
that's gotta be 1%
I like stations with dynamic range. Hard to find that and yes I understand why.
I know about compression and that.
There's a "Friends of SiriusXM 60s Gold" group who are complaining that the channel doesn't play everything that was on the top 40 from January 1, 1960 to December 31, 1969, claiming that "they" are a focus group and can make demands on management. Mmmmm........right
The Big A was blasted for stating a fact: there is no model that produces enough money to cover just the Sound Exchange fees, forget ASCAP, SESAC, BMI and the now, 4th entity. Streaming and radio has monetized based on a cost per thousand.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if you do your own set up, Sound Exchange is about $7 per thousand. Other music licensing might add about 80 cents per thousand. If you add all the costs together and you are looking at about 3 times the rate broadcast radio can monetize if run successfully.
This is why stations geofence and why some stations do not stream. They simply can't afford to do it.
Streaming will survive but only the major corporations will be diversified enough to do so as the years roll on. The thing that is working in many station's favor is only a few hundred (at best) listen to the stream while thousands are listening by other means. As that figure moves closer to the middle, we will see some stop streaming without a healthy subscription.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if you do your own set up, Sound Exchange is about $7 per thousand. Other music licensing might add about 80 cents per thousand. If you add all the costs together and you are looking at about 3 times the rate broadcast radio can monetize if run successfully.
This is why stations geofence and why some stations do not stream. They simply can't afford to do it.
Streaming will survive but only the major corporations will be diversified enough to do so as the years roll on. The thing that is working in many station's favor is only a few hundred (at best) listen to the stream while thousands are listening by other means. As that figure moves closer to the middle, we will see some stop streaming without a healthy subscription.
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