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MR. JAROME_CALVIN

:eek: Last night I was going food shopping in Salem, Ma. Driving around 7:25pm, guess what I heard at that time, but normally (I thought) They were always only on Sunrise to Sunset.
1090am was on last night, I listened as late as I can stay awake which was little past 11pm, it was still on, but real faded. It was still listenable (From Salem, Ma) where I live.
Has anyone else caught this?
If you have enough patience, it is still listenable, but real faded.
If you all heard of this, how long has this been going on? I might tune in tonight when I get home, and let you all know tommorow.
Thank you for your time.
 
LAUROJRM said:
Driving around 7:25pm, guess what I heard at that time? (Normally--I thought--they were always only on Sunrise to Sunset.) 1090am was on last night. I listened as late as I could stay awake, which was a little past 11pm; it was still on.
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I think they have been staying on 24/7 using either their full day power (4800W) or their CH power (1900W), but with nearly zero modulation. (Maybe they are trying to have it both ways--stay on all night at high power but don't interfere with WBAL very much.) If WILD has any listeners at all for this Mickey Mouse arrangement, they must be members of the AM DX community.
 
I'll be the first to mention the obvious...

if WILD is on at night, they are doing so illegally.

I can't believe it took three posts before this aspect was brought out.
 
>>If you have enough patience, it is still listenable, but real faded.

If the station you were getting on 1090 had very low volume it was probably WILD. If not you may have been getting WBAL in Baltimore. The other day I was dial scanning as I went over the Salem-Beverly bridge around 2 pm or so, and I noticed:
1080 WTIC Hartford
1090 WILD Boston
The Hartford station sounded like a local (this time of yr you can get that type of reception even at that hour). Guess which one sounded louder? WTIC. WILD, you had to crank way up to be able to hear. This has happened since the LMA of China Radio International started. Or you'd hear something like a host in studio talking to a reporter via phone line and the studio host sounded fainter...

But if it was indeed WILD, that's illegal.
btw a check of the WBAL website shows they air "Sporting News Radio" (sic) at that time. Of course
they have changed their name to "Yahoo!SportsRadio" but they haven't changed that at the
website. Since you said what you heard was at low volume, though, I suspect it indeed could have been
WILD. But did you hear WBAL in background at all, or simply the low-volume WILD?\


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WBAL sched for what it's worth: http://wbal.com/shows/schedule.asp
 
Early Byrd said:
I can't believe it took three posts before this aspect was brought out.
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I can't believe that you can't believe that both of us who posted to this thread before you might have taken it for granted that anyone who would be reading the thread already knew that WILD is licensed to operate only from Boston sunrise to Boston sunset (with low power--an unknown number of watts, but probably less than 100--permitted between Boston sunset and Baltimore sunset, which is a period of 1/2 hour in most months).
 
raccoonradio said:
If the station you were getting on 1090 had very low volume it was probably WILD. If not you may have been getting WBAL in Baltimore.
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WBAL sched for what it's worth: http://wbal.com/shows/schedule.asp
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WBAL was audible but not copyable because of the audio from WILD. The WILD carrier, which served to squelch most of the background noise on the channel, was quite strong. That's why I'm pretty sure that WILD was running either its D or CH power and not its PSSA power. Whoever is operating WILD has apparently never made the connection between modulation levels and people being able to hear the station;>)
 
raccoonradio said:
As usual I'm not sure how accurate it is, but radio-locator says that WILD's critical hour power is 1900 w
versus 4,800 w normally
http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=WILD&x=0&y=0&sr=Y&s=C

Wikipedia gives the same stats but on that page it has a link for the FCC query of WILD and that also
gives those numbers.
http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?call=WILD
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Maybe you didn't read my first post in this thread (which was also the first reply to the original post). I mentioned both the licensed D power and the licensed CH power. I did not mention the permitted PSSA power because I don't know what it is. All I know is that it has to be a lot less than 1900W; I'm pretty sure that it must also be less than 100W.
 
LAUROJRM said:
If you have enough patience, it is still listenable, but real faded.
If you all heard of this, how long has this been going on?
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They’ve been on for three nights now (first noted Friday night, just before 11pm), and I would say definitely with critical hours power/pattern.
 
raccoonradio said:
Sorry, mixed up CH with PSSA. These wikipedia page show the difference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-sunrise_and_post-sunset_authorization
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_hours
In the case of the former under PSRA it says the power shall not exceed 500 w under Daylight Saving Time.
Other info can be found at the pages.
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500W is the maximum PSSA (and PSRA) power under ANY conditions--even for full-time stations whose day or night power is higher than 500W. Some of these stations prefer to use their PSSAs or PSRAs during the permitted PSSA/PSRA hours rather than using their night authorizations because the PSSA or PSRA allows them to use a more favorable directional pattern, notwithstanding that using the PSSA forces the stations to operate at a power lower than the licensed night power. The old WXKS (AM) 1430 used to be such a station. The station was (and as WKOX, still is) licensed for 5 kW-D/1 kW-N DA-N. For years, it would go ND at 6:00AM local time using its PSRA power of 500W rather than staying directional until sunrise and keeping the power at 1 kW, which its license permitted. Note that WXKS 1430 had a 500W PSRA but NO PSSA. A PSSA for ND operation, if it existed, would have specified a power WAY lower than 500W. The reason for the disparity between PSRA and PSSA facilities is historical and I won't try to explain it here; I have already spent too much time on this posting.

As for WILD, it must go off the air at night because WBAL is the dominant Class A AM on 1090 and WBAL's 0.5 mV/m 50% skywave contour must be protected at night. WILD is located WELL inside of that contour and so cannot legally operate at all between Baltimore sunset and Boston sunrise. WILD is entitled to (and has been granted and uses) a PSSA because it is located east of WBAL. During the half hour (in most months) between Boston sunset and Baltimore sunset, WILD's skywave must not interfere with WBAL's protected groundwave contour, which is a lot closer to Baltimore than WBAL's protected skywave contour. WBAL is directional only at night (Baltimore sunset to Baltimore sunrise) and its directional pattern favors the east-northeast (that is, the area between Baltimore and Boston). At night, WBAL protects KAAY and XEPRS, so after Baltimore sunset, WBAL's groundwave and skywave in the direction of Boston are equivalent to ~100 kW. Also, for the purposes of PSSAs and PSRAs, the FCC does not acknowledge the existence of daytime skywave from the protected station, but since Boston sunset occurs first, when WILD operates after Boston sunset, it must protect only WBAL's groundwave coverage--not its even larger skywave coverage. No way could WILD be granted a PSSA at 500W; the permissible power must be much lower.
 
raccoonradio said:
>>If you have enough patience, it is still listenable, but real faded.

If the station you were getting on 1090 had very low volume it was probably WILD. If not you may have been getting WBAL in Baltimore. The other day I was dial scanning as I went over the Salem-Beverly bridge around 2 pm or so, and I noticed:
1080 WTIC Hartford
1090 WILD Boston
The Hartford station sounded like a local (this time of yr you can get that type of reception even at that hour). Guess which one sounded louder? WTIC. WILD, you had to crank way up to be able to hear. This has happened since the LMA of China Radio International started. Or you'd hear something like a host in studio talking to a reporter via phone line and the studio host sounded fainter...

But if it was indeed WILD, that's illegal.
btw a check of the WBAL website shows they air "Sporting News Radio" (sic) at that time. Of course
they have changed their name to "Yahoo!SportsRadio" but they haven't changed that at the
website. Since you said what you heard was at low volume, though, I suspect it indeed could have been
WILD. But did you hear WBAL in background at all, or simply the low-volume WILD?\


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WBAL sched for what it's worth: http://wbal.com/shows/schedule.asp
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It was the one that just switched to Chinese (W I L D) but the Chinese/American programming
 
If China Radio International is leasing all the airtime from owner Radio One, isn't Radio One, as the owner, still responsible and answerable for any illegal operation of the station even if China Radio International personnel are at the controls, performing the illegal operation?

I wonder if anyone from Radio One even knows this is happening?
 
Just the fact the the Chineese govt. is leasing out the station at all makes me wonder what the folks in DC are thinking. Its like if the KGB had leased out the channel - that would NEVER have been allowed.

So will the Chineese let VOA lease a station in Bejing?

Whoever holds the license is on the hook to operate the station in a legal manner.
 
wow, thank you for all your replys.
I didn't mean to start something bad here.
Has anyone listened to them since the switch to Chinese/American programming?
I have, but only for a few seconds at a time. I do like Chinese music (Nice New, Soft Romantic-Chinese Music)
Personally-If anyone. (Chinese, Cambodian, Laos, Vietnamese) all have some nice sounding love song music (Soft Romantic Music) As well as Spanish. The only one I understand most is Spanish I understand about (56%). Other than that, I don't understand Chinese, Cambodian, Laos, nor Vietnamese) I had classmates from those countries when I was in Highschool and College as well as now in my workplace. I can say "Hello" and "Goodbye" in all those languages.
Anyways, how about you all? Do you all like Chinese music?
Thank you for your time. Didn't mean to cause something bad here. It was just a question. I was surprised to hear 1090am at 7:20pm at night when the sun has been down for just over two hours after the sun went down, as well as later on at 10:45pm at night.
 
Radio-One has no right to lease WILD 1090 to a Communist regime, especially the Chinese Communist Party! They're a bunch of Mickey Mousers who are very conceited in what they do!
 
spt87 said:
Just the fact the the Chineese govt. is leasing out the station at all makes me wonder what the folks in DC are thinking. Its like if the KGB had leased out the channel - that would NEVER have been allowed.

So will the Chineese let VOA lease a station in Bejing?

Whoever holds the license is on the hook to operate the station in a legal manner.
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Washington, no matter who's in charge, isn't going to do anything to offend the Chinese. This country's economy is so dependent on China now that the Chinese could easily deep-six the US economy if they wanted to.
 
blackgold said:
Radio-One has no right to lease WILD 1090 to a Communist regime, especially the Chinese Communist Party! They're a bunch of Mickey Mousers who are very conceited in what they do!
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I doubt whether Radio One is leasing WILD directly to the Chinese government. Most likely, the lessee is an American company that, in turn, leases the time either to the Chinese government or--more likely--to a Chinese company that leases the time to an agency of the Chinese government. Regardless of the program content, it's relatively easy to camouflage the identity of the actual lessee. Along the way, a lot of companies and individuals get a cut of what the Chinese government pays, so the deal is probably quite profitable to a lot of organizations and people that merely shuffle paper around.
 
No matter what, Radio One must remain in control of the operations of WILD. CRI is simply providing the programming. If CRI were running the station, it would be an unauthorized transfer of control. Radio One is responsible for the operations, including power changes.
 
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