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One Reason CHR is not GAGA over Dance Artists

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OK so Lady Gaga puts out this trendy catchy song "Just Dance" is floats around a while...Then It's played on MTV's "The Hills"...next thing you know this great song is a hit. So what is the follow up single?!?!! "Poker Face" a horrid ,terrible ,annoying song with a ridiculous hook mand chorus. This kills Dance artists. No credible single to back up the hit...CHR will not touch"Poker Face" and they shouldn't. this is too often the case with dance artists.


One exception I will never understand is Lasgo. When "something "was added to CHR is was a hit...their follow up "alone" was just as strong but got no play....
 
We played both Lasgo songs,,, and this was before I was there... I wont touch Poker Face,, I agree, its a really annoying song.... Im glad to see someone agree with me.

Right now Kid Cudi-Day and night---Remix is doing good on phones

Im trying to ease into playing guru Josh-Infinity 2008,, but right now its only played once a day between 2 am and 6 am.... I love this song soooo much,, but I think this is one of those that might be too advanced for CHR listeners.
 
instigator said:
OK so Lady Gaga puts out this trendy catchy song "Just Dance" is floats around a while...Then It's played on MTV's "The Hills"...next thing you know this great song is a hit. So what is the follow up single?!?!! "Poker Face" a horrid ,terrible ,annoying song with a ridiculous hook mand chorus. This kills Dance artists. No credible single to back up the hit...CHR will not touch"Poker Face" and they shouldn't. this is too often the case with dance artists.


One exception I will never understand is Lasgo. When "something "was added to CHR is was a hit...their follow up "alone" was just as strong but got no play....
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Lady Gaga is from the clubs. We had her on the air and she talked about that. thats why when she performs she does the original mix of Just Dance. Even the PR for her single mentions the clubs. Her next single Poker Face is a smash hit and tested well for us. Almost every programmer I have talked to love the record. Last time I saw her perform Poker face got a huge reaction.
 
Well I heard B-96 play Poker face at 6 am this morning in regular rotation... I dont personally like the song, but if it becomes a hit I cant really ignore it... I knew Just Dance would be a Huge Smash when I first heard it nearly a year ago.. I think Colby and Akon really helped the song though..
 
Well, whatever exposure its getting, "Just Dance" managed to reach the Billboard Hot 100 in the January 17, 2009 issue. In other words, who needs radio to get your message accross.
 
Well, even if the second single doesn't make it, the third one might. If the Flo-Rida ft Katy Perry track blows up, then Lady GaGa's second single should at least do ok. I'll at least use the remix of Poker face I like in mixshows.

Actually "poker face" isn't all that bad when compared to today's standards. I think it sounds ok now. Whoever produced it made sure it fits right in by making it another ok melody with a beat driven, treble-less song. The same thing Danity Kane did with "damaged" and Rihanna kind of did with "disturbia" and especially "don't stop the music", and even "when I grow up" by Pussycat Dolls... "the way I are" and everything similar to that like "let it rock" and "forever". It's almost like leaving the treble out gives it the magical power to become a hit because it doesn't have "tsst, tsst, tsst, tsst," sound. At least "closer" had "tick, tick, tick," where the "tsst tsst tsst" was supposed to be. Britney was pretty much the first I heard use all elements, including the "tsst tsst tsst" make it to mainstream radio here (outside of KVIB), with "kill the lights".

People using booty bass or breakbeat elements for their r&b and pop hits seem to have no problem using a decent amount of treble. The lack of present day treble happens mostly with the songs using house-like beats.
 
It's like everything else....it's just gonna take some time to grow on people.

I did hear "Poker Face" (Dave Audé Remix) on BPM and it isn't bad. I actually like this one better than "Just Dance". Lady Gaga is already out there in terms of exposure via the CHR stations. It's going to take some time but I see this track working out for the Z-100's and KIIS's out there :)
 
KDM 7000 said:
Actually "poker face" isn't all that bad when compared to today's standards. I think it sounds ok now. Whoever produced it made sure it fits right in by making it another ok melody with a beat driven, treble-less song. The same thing Danity Kane did with "damaged" and Rihanna kind of did with "disturbia" and especially "don't stop the music", and even "when I grow up" by Pussycat Dolls... "the way I are" and everything similar to that like "let it rock" and "forever". It's almost like leaving the treble out gives it the magical power to become a hit because it doesn't have "tsst, tsst, tsst, tsst," sound. At least "closer" had "tick, tick, tick," where the "tsst tsst tsst" was supposed to be. Britney was pretty much the first I heard use all elements, including the "tsst tsst tsst" make it to mainstream radio here (outside of KVIB), with "kill the lights".

People using booty bass or breakbeat elements for their r&b and pop hits seem to have no problem using a decent amount of treble. The lack of present day treble happens mostly with the songs using house-like beats.
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Are you listening to low-quality mp3's? I only hear low treble on over-compressed songs. For us broadcasters, multi-band agc/compression is magical.
 
I'm not talking about the quality sound of the song or instruments, but the lack of certain instrumentation in today's mainstream pop dance hits. I think what I'm talking about is called treble, but I'm sure there's a more accurate term for the instrument I'm referring to.

Also, I listened closely and found out I was wrong about the "let it rock" song. It does have that "tsst tsst tsst" but only once on every other beat like "beat -tsst - beat.....beat tsst beat.....beat tsst beat.... instead of the typical dance sound as beat tsst beat tsst beat tsst beat..

Songs such as "hot & cold" or "womanizer" and things like that are ok without it.
 
I think what your thinking of is the High Hats.... Im no music Producer, or school music teacher,,, but most those songs with the dance lean did have the heavy base line,, Which helps with the Hip Hop crowd,,, I honestly dont think it was the lack of high hats that made them hits, but more because they were from Established Hip Hop-Pop Artist.... Even Akons-Right Now has a break beat element to it,,, as di What YOu lIke back in the summer,,, Also 3 6 Mafia- a really ghetto Rap band had the Dance friendly LOLI LOLI Pop that Body,,, we actually played the mix without the rap lyrics and just the music and Chorus and it did well for us,, but it did bad in nearby markets 50-70 miles away... And they were all way bigger cities than us,,, so you tell me that the Dance format has to be done in an Ultra big City..... It can work in small markets too,,, Look at the ratings WMGI Terre haute got with ther Dance Lean,, which they havnent seen since they left dance behind... and the former 6oo watt 92.1 The party in the Tiny tiny Drive Way way Sized town of Charleston ILLinois,, we had 600 watts when I was there and was almost pure dance,, soon our sister Party stations in Nashville TN,,, Peoria ILL, and Decatour ILL,, and tell City Indiana programed duplicate playlists,, this at first got us huge ratings, but I was soon fired for an Older, More PRO PD, Who was payed less than me, but had more Age and experience than me,, and soon after all the Cromwell PARTY stations went to the Mainstream CHR format,, but actually expiemented with an Urban Lean at first,,, but decided to start playing more Rock,,, and No Remixes and Few if any Dance songs.....
 
I don't think it was the lack of that instrument that made it hit, but I do believe many intentionally left it out possibly to make it a bit less dancy and gain more acceptance with the "crowd".
I also noticed how some new or current electro house songs also went on to leave out that instrument as well, but possibly not for the same reasons as the pop/r&b artists.

Now with dance coming back, someone needs to start working on the return of latin house. I remember all those regional or southern latin house songs that charted mostly on rhythmic stations in the past. Now it seems that Pitbull is doing it all by himself, being successful with it, and still no one else is jumping on the trend! I wonder why? Maybe reggaeton should have made it's big break now instead of a few years back, but while this might have helped to push the evolution of today's music to be more uptempo in both english and spanish, there's also the other possibility of reggaeton breaking out now causing too much to be going on at one point in time and leading to the death of both trends at once. So, let me not complain or think about how it could be and just be happy it is what it is NOW. The possibilities of the future result of this evolution is endless, so maybe at some point, it could branch out and create another parallel trend of latin house to run along with the pop and r&b of today. Anything can happen, and I doubt Lady GaGa could disrupt this entire process alone. One comet can disrupt the evolution of life, but one song by one artist most likely cannot disrupt an entire trend in music, however, one person can START a trend, while another could come along and perfect it. How sad it would be if it were the other way around.

I wasn't too fond of the "Poker face" at first, but it is rather acceptable. Her album is good, although it could've been much better with improved arrangements in instrumentation and melody's along with some improvements in the choice of lyrics used in certain songs. Word arrangement or certain words being used can kill a song and make it less meaningful, just as it can also make it sound more "full" and feel more "quality".
 
I repeat this song will not be a hit.....it may get a few spins...it will not get phones and most if not all programers at CHR will not give this song air time. I can't believe people are defending this song.
 
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I repeat this song will not be a hit.....it may get a few spins...it will not get phones and most if not all programers at CHR will not give this song air time. I can't believe people are defending this song.
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Dude its getting added everywhere including CHR. Its a great pop song. Ive witnessed 18000 18-34 year old females singing along to it. Its a hit
 
instigator said:
I repeat this song will not be a hit.....it may get a few spins...it will not get phones and most if not all programers at CHR will not give this song air time. I can't believe people are defending this song.
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I think this means in simplest terms that it most likely wont be as big as "just dance".

The first time I heard it I have to admit I was a bit disappointed, but it's not really all that bad after a few listens. I saw it as a second single coming, so I went to listen to it and my first thought was "oh no - this is not going to help anything much.." but who knows? A lot more stations than I think could add it, but how long it will last, who knows. I wonder if Ian Van Dahl, Dj Sammy, or Dirty Vegas or any of them could make it right now if they tried? The song by AnnaGrace really seems that it should be given more of a chance. Even my younger sister likes it (and she knows that Lil Wayne isn't even in it!!), and that alone should make everyone just stop everything and say "ok - that's it! we have guaranteed proof it will make it!"
 
yes its getting added but it won't be as big as JUST DANCE and will be very short lived...I do stand corrected it is getting adds I was very surprised to hear it on wired in PHILLY yesterday....wow my whole post was just proved wrong...I still think the song is garbage..but I admit I was wrong
 
At first I didn't like Poker Face, but now I love it and it may even like it better than Just Dance, I see the song being a hit, but not as big as Just Dance, which may be # 1 next week !
 
vaboi-83 said:
At first I didn't like Poker Face, but now I love it and it may even like it better than Just Dance, I see the song being a hit, but not as big as Just Dance, which may be # 1 next week !
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This should cement everything. This was on Billboard's website:

RETAIL AND RADIO GAGA FOR ‘DANCE’: Strong on sales (she’s No. 1 on Hot Digital Songs) and doing well with radio spins (holding at No. 5 on Hot 100 Airplay), Yonkers-born Lady GaGa earns her first No. 1 on The Billboard Hot 100 with “Just Dance” (Streamline/KonLive/Cherrytree). It is the first song to advance to the summit in 2009 and is the first debut single by a female artist to reach No. 1 since Katy Perry’s “I Kissed a Girl” topped the chart in July-August 2008.

While some think of Lady GaGa (birth name: Joanne Stefani Germanotta) as a dance artist crossing over to pop, with the ascendancy of “Just Dance,” she has earned her pop stripes. “Just Dance” had to settle for a second-place finish on Hot Dance Club Play; the single peaked on that tally the week of June 28, 2008.

“Just Dance” is the first No. 1 title on the Hot 100 to include the word “dance” since February 1991, when “Gonna Make You Sweat (Everybody Dance Now)” by C + C Music Factory featuring Freedom Williams reigned for two weeks. And as long as we’re analyzing titles, “Just Dance” is the third No. 1 hit to start with the word “Just,” following “Just My Imagination (Running Away With Me)” by the Temptations in 1971 and “(Just Like) Starting Over” by John Lennon in 1980.

“Just Dance” is the first No. 1 not just for Lady GaGa but for her featured guest, Colby O’Donis. The 19-year-old from Queens, N.Y., has had two Hot 100 entries of his own: “What You Got” peaked at No. 14 in May 2008 and “Beautiful” went to No. 19 in December 2008.

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My whole reason for liking "just dance" to begin with was because I heard "I'm missing you" by Abbi. Same exact beat pattern, but different melody and bpm. I told Abbi how great her song was and how much she could have made it, but she didn't believe me. Then I told her months back about this other song with the same beat as hers.. Little did I know that today this "just dance" would have been a big deal. I told Abbi it became a hit. Abbi's "i'm missing you" could have done just as well, especially with her being in the U.K. Abbi's song is 140 bpm, and a bit on the bassline house tip, but sounds a bit urban, sharing the same beat pattern arrangement as "just dance" throughout 94% of the song.
 
I actually do like “Poker Face” personally. The original version is good, but the remix version that's in rotation on Mega 103.5-HD2 is great! The player window says Poker Face (dave Audé Radio – I would assume that it’s cutting off the word “Edit)” from the end of the title?
 
'poker face' is a fabulous hit, a tribute of sorts to Nina Hagen and the downtown NYC 80s club scene; Z100 is on it, it fills the dance floor,in it's real regular version
 
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