ONLY 150,000 HD RADIOS SOLD SO FAR

[radiopilot]

Actually MOST Americans don't have either HDTV or an Ipod. You think that because most of the people in the groups YOU travel in have them, it means that most PEOPLE have them. Trust me, MOST DON'T! I personally know of about three people with Ipods, and five with HDTV. Even the FCC is beginning to get concerned that people don't know about the analog shutoff date, and not enough people have the gear.

The much touted sales figure for Ipod a couple of weeks ago was WORLDWIDE. Yes it's impressive. YES Apple (by a huge margin) has the biggest chunk of the mp3 player market. But MOST PEOPLE WILL NOT BUY A NEW PORTABLE AUDIO DEVICE UNTIL THE ONE THEY HAVE DIES, or some feature is so overwhelmingly wonderful they just can't resist. I'd bet a months pay there are more 1980s boomboxes in use out there (in the US) than 2000s Ipods, and by a pretty big margin. I sure see more of 'em.

I know PLENTY of people with Ipods or similar MP3 players... while I only know of one person personally that owns an HD radio... and it's the engineer here at New Port Richey, FL.... As far as he's concerned he is the only one he's aware of owning an HD radio....

Ipod's? Forget about them... Apple's next product the touted 'IPhone' will put all these devices to shame... HD won't even be able to even catch up....

Isn't Walmart selling HDTV's? So if Walmart is selling HDTV by the thousands as most think they'll be selling the HD radio's by the thousands now that they're in the stores... why would the average Joe have an HDTV... Mike you're more confused than ever!

Most of the people in my neck of the woods own the HDTV's... sorry if alot of the people you know economically can't afford them, yet you claim $99 for an HD radio is within means?

Until the unit dies? Let's see.... I bought both my daughter and son the 40 gigabyte Ipods with color screens, then they wnated the Mini-Shuffle, so I bought them those units, along with the latest camera cellphones and now they are hinting at the new cellphones with the MP3 player built in... mostly for convenience.... So YES there are people who can afford them, most of their friends all have the Ipods and bring them to parties at our house and share their music on our Ipod Docking music unit...

I doubt there are more boomboxes than the amopunt of people with portable mp3 players... YOU'RE WRONG!!!!

Sorry for your confusion in these tech areas....

Radiopilot

 

[PocketRadio]

Consumers will consume more at a lower price, than at a higher price, simple economics.

"Are you waiting in line for your HD radio?"

"If you lower the price enough, folks will buy the radio. That's the belief about HD radio that is being stoked in our industry. And, of course, it's wrong. At any given price consumers will purchase an item if the desire is there and if the value of that item equals or exceeds the price being charged for it. This is basic economics. The more you have to drop your price, the lower the chance people value what you're selling. And the less likely you are to sell your wares at any price the maker of those wares finds appealing."

http://www.hear2.com/2006/11/are_you_waiting.html

Wrong !

 

[PocketRadio]

Actually MOST Americans don't have either HDTV or an Ipod.

"Analyst estimates up to 16m iPod sales in Q4"

http://www.macnn.com/articles/06/12/13/155.16m.ipod.sales/

Terrestrial radio has lost out to the iPod for Gen Y - Gen Y was to be the future of terrestrial radio.

 

[radiopilot]

Actually MOST Americans don't have either HDTV or an Ipod.

"Analyst estimates up to 16m iPod sales in Q4"

http://www.macnn.com/articles/06/12/13/155.16m.ipod.sales/

Terrestrial radio has lost out to the iPod for Gen Y - Gen Y was to be the future of terrestrial radio.

None of the young kids in the age bracket terrestrial radio NEEDS to grab are listening to radio... they don't need to since they now have the required devices (Ipods, mp3 players, internet radio, etc.) to personalize their listening habits... something radio falls far short... you think youngsters want to listen to the commercials for Viagra or hair tonics on the radio?

Radiopilot

 

[wgliradio]

Correction.

Power hungry, greedy, moguls are obsessed with digital. Most "people" have much more common sense and much less money (only their own) to play around with, so they are very careful.

True, but the average person has also been caught up in the "digital" fanfare.. to the point where they probably already think they have a digital radio because it is a PLL unit.

 

[Mike Walker]

I said in the 80s when digitally tuned radios first came out that manufacturers will one day rue the day they sold them as "digital am/fm stereo". There's absolutely nothing digital about them! That day has arrived! That's why it's important to use phrases like "cd quality" (even if it's not absolutely there, most people own't be able to tell the difference), or "high definition" to differentiate. And LOTS of stations are using the term "high definition", no matter how the debate on these boards goes aobut what HD stands for!

 

[PocketRadio]

I said in the 80s when digitally tuned radios first came out that manufacturers will one day rue the day they sold them as "digital am/fm stereo". There's absolutely nothing digital about them! That day has arrived! That's why it's important to use phrases like "cd quality" (even if it's not absolutely there, most people own't be able to tell the difference), or "high definition" to differentiate. And LOTS of stations are using the term "high definition", no matter how the debate on these boards goes aobut what HD stands for!

What you omit, is that the FCC has left it up to the marketplace to determine the fate of HD Radio - there no consumer interest, and little to no interest from automakers.

 

[clouseau]

What you omit, is that the FCC has left it up to the marketplace to determine the fate of HD Radio - there no consumer interest, and little to no interest from automakers.

I have always chuckled when you post this. That the FCC has left it up to "The Marketplace". Agreed. IS there even a thought to an alternative system?

NO! Remember FM? (I'm sure you don't, ya young whipersnapper...) In a while (be it a few months or a few years...) HD will become viable. And no amount of your Anti HD Email packages or other crud will have any difference.

There is not a viable alternative. And if there is, it has NO traction.

In the meantime a few idiots will "Turn in" their HD "licences" or facilities. Actually, if it is a disaster, many more may do that. However in our automation age (like before) there is alomost no cost to MAINTAIN a secondary station. (Ibiquity licensing is $1k a year ).

High School football in Quartsite AZ can handle this HD-2 cost.

Feel free to hold your breath until HD radio is "Disallowed".

It just ain't gonna happen...

Clouseau

 

[PocketRadio]

What you omit, is that the FCC has left it up to the marketplace to determine the fate of HD Radio - there no consumer interest, and little to no interest from automakers.

I have always chuckled when you post this. That the FCC has left it up to "The Marketplace". Agreed. IS there even a thought to an alternative system?

NO! Remember FM? (I'm sure you don't, ya young whipersnapper...) In a while (be it a few months or a few years...) HD will become viable. And no amount of your Anti HD Email packages or other crud will have any difference.

There is not a viable alternative. And if there is, it has NO traction.

In the meantime a few idiots will "Turn in" their HD "licences" or facilities. Actually, if it is a disaster, many more may do that. However in our automation age (like before) there is alomost no cost to MAINTAIN a secondary station. (Ibiquity licensing is $1k a year ).

High School football in Quartsite AZ can handle this HD-2 cost.

Feel free to hold your breath until HD radio is "Disallowed".

It just ain't gonna happen...

Clouseau

Contrary to what you would have us believe, the FCC commissioner indicated the HD/IBOC is not a done-deal, and its future depends on the marketplace - looks pretty dead to me:

http://www.statsaholic.com/hdradio.com

 

[clouseau]

Contrary to what you would have us believe, the FCC commissioner indicated the HD/IBOC is not a done-deal, and its future depends on the marketplace - looks pretty dead to me:

http://www.statsaholic.com/hdradio.com

I don't like to be ugly, but that's why they are FCC commissioners...

Any you are... you..

I'm going to build out HD stations and see if it works. Feel free to hold you breath until HD is disallowed.

Gotta love the Oxygen!!

Clouseau

 

[SUPERCASTER]

I think we have some Luddites on this board.

http://nhs.needham.k12.ma.us/cur/Baker_00/baker_1800_soc/baker_br_rb_p4/luddites.htm

Shark

Another no known adding comments which serve no purpose on this board...

Most of us have Ipods, computers, HDTV, electronics, broadcasters, experimentalists, engineers, scientists, etc., so you see we're not Luddites, what we see is contamination of the airwaves in the form of FCC sanctioned interference... why fix what didn't get broken?

If you went to a doctor for a simple cold, why would you need an amputation of your leg? Was it needed? Did the doctor advise you that you could live without your leg, and the reasons you didn't need your leg?

Radio was fine the way it was... if digital was the way then let satelite, internet, wifi, etc. be the way to go... the radio airwaves were better left as they were.. fix the equipment or upgrade the lousy studios and broadcast better content on the air... if you read mosts blogs and replies on this board you'll see the content is what's lacking... turning the signal into digital from analog does not change the fact that the content, commercials, etc. is what's driving radio to it's grave.

Radiopilot

You are right. HD radio just needlessly damages broadcasting and does much more harm then good.

"Luddites" would more aptly apply to those staunch defenders of old media such as problematic HD radio then those who support new media by new methods and from new sources.

 

[NDXUFan]

I think we have some Luddites on this board.

http://nhs.needham.k12.ma.us/cur/Baker_00/baker_1800_soc/baker_br_rb_p4/luddites.htm

Shark

Another no known adding comments which serve no purpose on this board...

Most of us have Ipods, computers, HDTV, electronics, broadcasters, experimentalists, engineers, scientists, etc., so you see we're not Luddites, what we see is contamination of the airwaves in the form of FCC sanctioned interference... why fix what didn't get broken?

If you went to a doctor for a simple cold, why would you need an amputation of your leg? Was it needed? Did the doctor advise you that you could live without your leg, and the reasons you didn't need your leg?

Radio was fine the way it was... if digital was the way then let satelite, internet, wifi, etc. be the way to go... the radio airwaves were better left as they were.. fix the equipment or upgrade the lousy studios and broadcast better content on the air... if you read mosts blogs and replies on this board you'll see the content is what's lacking... turning the signal into digital from analog does not change the fact that the content, commercials, etc. is what's driving radio to it's grave.

Radiopilot

I would agree that most of the programming on the FM stations is very boring and snore. Yet, some of the posters give the impression that they want to live in the past. However, technology in each sector changes after so many years. This is not to say or imply that all change is good and necessary. As we have seen, change is not always positive. In the past, change mostly came in area of 15-20 years or more. Now, change is coming every 1-5 years at the least. I like the digital quality of the sound, but the programming needs to be improved, because it is a bore.

Shark

 

[Mike Walker]

As this and other pages stretch to six, seven, eight pages I grin at the assertion that there's "no interest in hd". There are many hundreds of posts here each week. No interest indeed!

 

[Chuck]

As this and other pages stretch to six, seven, eight pages I grin at the assertion that there's "no interest in hd". There are many hundreds of posts here each week. No interest indeed!

I notice that CBS News is running a special report on their Nightly News about "Internet Addiction." Lots of people are wasting a lot of time in newsgroups just like this one. Maybe we all need to tune in.

I'll be watching....

 

[clouseau]

"Luddites" would more aptly apply to those staunch defenders of old media such as

Uhhh maybe ANALOG?

Supercaster, Meet Mirror. Dude, YOU are the Luddite here. New media As in Formats and content that don't make the top # of radio stations in a market. New sources as in Leasing out Multicast channels to new entrants. Do you deny you'd like to stop HD and go BACK to analog? You are what you condemn here.

Talk about myopia. Send out some more email packages to people telling them why we need LESS radio choice why don't you.

HD radio just needlessly damages broadcasting and does much more harm then good.

This opinion has been strongly considered by the FCC. They have ruled against you. They have REJECTED your appeals. This issue has been settled. You may believe that, but it is irrelevant.

Analog FM could get by on half it's existing bandwidth as it only uses half of it for the stereo analog audio. If that happened we could have used first adjacents and had more stations. No one was complaining about that. That's because even though other things could be improved if it didn't exist, it's part of the system. Your continued complaining about an existing standard makes no sense. IT IS THE LAW. The decision has been made.

Clouseau

 

[Mike Walker]

In truth, AM could have gotten by on half the bandwidth too, since upper and lower sidebands are redundant (identical, but in reverse polarity/phase). You really only need one.

 

[PhilJSmith67]

Good point... I wonder why the digital-only mode for HD Radio has different ensembles on opposing sidebands, while the hybrid version has them mirrored? Perhaps because the primary ensembles are completely on the adjacent channels, the redundancy is needed for reliability? I'm totally guessing as to why...

 

[PocketRadio]

Uh, that ain't exactly what Master Thesus said, Dude. He ACTUALLY says sales, and interest in his products (Sangean) are brisk.

"The truth shall set you free". Guess you're doomed to a life in prison!

"Why I like HD Radio Technology" Master Theseus

"You have all seen me posting up here in the shameless attempt to get people to buy my companies radios, but this post is to see whay you like about HD Radio. We have seen many place reasons they don't like it, but for those of you who do, tell the public why you like it! Is it the sound, the extra programing, or simply that it is new technology. I like HD Radio because to my ears the audio quality is dramatically improved and closer to my CD collection than some would like to admit. I like the fact that I can hear music on the multicast channels that would normally be the "Clean" version on the main analog signal. I can hear the music like it was meant to be. I like that, due to the astounding failure of most stations to broadcast RDS info, I can see what artist I am listening to so that if I like it enough I can buy it without jumping up on the dining facility and screaming from the top of my lungs for someone to tell me what I am listening to. I like that I can hear AM stations without the annoying high-tone squeel that caused me to shun AM in the first place. And I really like that I can for once pretend to know more about something than 98% of the country."

http://tinyurl.com/yvovt8

Oh really ?