Only a matter of time.....

[Mark_Ericson]

Re: LEE-FM is friggin' brilliant!

> Actually, that would be good...though CSN will NEVER
> sell...how about buying 96.9 Bowling Green, which puts a
> decent signal into Northern Richmond

CSN doesn't own 100.1, BBN does. But your point might still stand, unless there's a non-comm FM open that could be traded to them.

If the Freelance-Star will sell 96.9, that might not be a bad idea.

> Well, I will admit that I'm biased...I am a hard-core active
> rock fan. Though I think if LEE-FM becomes a reality, with
> some obscure alt. rock, and TWO active rockers, WDYL would
> be making more money playing South American trans-gender
> pre-teen polka music
>
> Realistically, I would put hot talk with good LOCAL talent
> on 107.3

Heh, one day while daydreaming about it I did the same thing, as I like rock also. As far as the talk, that sounds like an interesting idea.

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[bopst]

Re: LEE-FM is friggin' brilliant!

First off, sorry Steve. I thought LEE was an actual station and not just a good idea.

The Bob formats open up play lists, yes, but from what from I've heard the analogy of the Eagles next to Vanilla Ice is a more than apt reference. Also, it is a rather cold presentation of music devoid of actual human interaction. To me, the BOB format is nothing more than a casual, top 40's music fan's an Pod set on random.

I believe in order for a variety format to find an audience, the lessons of talk radio should not be dismissed. A balance between the on air personality and the music is vital. Otherwise, its just randomness for the sake of randomness. I grew up with the late, great WHFS in the late 70's/early 80's which I think is still the perfect example of the needs of commerce and creativity coming together to create something truly unique. The DJ's had personality and exposed the listening audience to a vast array of music. And, most importantly, it was profitable.

The BOB format, on the other hand, is soulless. And its a, "insert your city here" format where one size fits all.

If a station were to embrace the lessons of WHFS, I have no doubt whatsoever that it would find a listening audience. Richmond's WRIR has fanatical support even with its extremely limited broadcast range and brought in 20 grand during their first pledge drive. That's nothing to sneeze at. Though WRIR is far from being perfect, commercial radio could learn a thing or two from WRIR's calling cards of innovative play lists, true community involvement and personality driven music programs.

Too bad that regional identity is a thing of the past because I doubt that this idea could be applied successfully without the format being tailored to local listening commodities.

I can't tell you how many calls I get from people who say ridiculously kind things about my radio show. Young, old, men, women, black, white...you name it. "I love your radio show" is a common refrain which is always humbling to hear. Not to blow my own horn (and I am by no means-duh-a genius), but despite what certain radio professionals may think, my show has found an audience grateful to be able to hear something else on their radio dial than the mindless repetition of corporate mandated hits.

There is an audience, a larger audience than the suits will ever acknowledge, out there hungry for a station similar to the late great WHFS. I just wonder why there is such a steadfast reluctance on behalf of the radio industry to pursue this approach to music radio formatting.

They could call it LEE....
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[Dan_Evans]

Re: Only...LEE??? but with a list of airstaff to die for!!

> Dan, after having supper, and coming back and reading your
> reply again, I have given more thought to your comment on
> your post to Bopst "I still think your musical genuis is
> undeserved by the corporate mainstream and sadly will NEVER
> get that credit, mainly due to the attitude that if you
> don't kiss a** to the big suits, you won't get anywhere up
> the ladder."
>
> The truth is, if you DO kiss a** to the big corporate suits,
> you WON'T get anywhere up the ladder.
>
> The successful concept is to REPLACE them, not kiss a** to
> them.
>
> Bopst's "musical genius" ideas are already being played by
> hundreds of "Bob" type FM's everywhere. He just doesn't get
> how to market his show. I've send him idea's along this line
> including pitching college radio and PBS, but he rejects
> them. He just doesn't appear to want to try and be
> successful....thats too "corporate" for him from his
> postings viewpoints.




Steve, if you read the whole listing of airstaff, Bopst has a 4 hour shift, it's not revolved all around him, more so the people that I have enjoyed in my life in Richmond. Jeff and Jeff, along with Tara Hunter, Dick Hungate, Lucas Foxx, Rik Maybee, Bopst and Kirby Carmichael. All of them would be a credit to this "LEE" format, which would be fitting for this area because of the history in this area, which did include General Robert E Lee. Now, if bopst decides to take your advice, then so be it, but to attack someone for praising someone who won't take your advice is rather ignorant. All I can say is that I do listen to BOB like stations on the web, and I hate to tell you this, but bopst is still beating out corporate Bob like stations out there with variety. Difference is this, Bopst barely deals with the mainstream, as from what I have heard on the Bob stations, it's mainstream for the most part. This station, if I ran it would be something you would love, if you liked deep cuts as much as the mainstream cuts on the air. This area needs LEE, I will give you that. I like Bopst's show and I mean this when I say this, come to richmond sometime and listen to his show. Give it a shot, heck, once I gave it a shot, I got addicted to it. Whenever I get time to listen to it, I do for the variety that I know I am not going to get anywhere in Richmond or the internet.

 

[stevehendrix]

Re: Only...LEE??? but with a list of airstaff to die for!!

DAN, you are absolutely right about about me being ignorant for seemingly attacking Bopst if he won't accept my advice. I guess it was an internet moment for me at the time. We all have 'em.

I will apoligize to the guy right now. I apoligize Bopst.

I guess what bothers me so much is the guy appears to have such a condesending attitute for what the mainstream listeners like, and the knowledge people like myself have that could he could benefit from. But I guess thats his problem.

I do wish he would post what he thinks is a good playlist so we would know where he is coming from. I can't take time off from work to drive to Richmond just to listen to the Bopst show. It ain't that important to me.

Now maybe in your opinion, Bopst is beating out the corporate guys with his variety. How do you describe variety? Post some examples of back to back songs he plays so we can get a look and judge if his variety is for us. But as long as he continues to do that on a low power AM, he will never get a mainstream listership. He needs exposure on a high power FM to test his listener appreciation for what he does. I thought I gave him some pretty good advise on approaching college FM's and the local PBS radio station to promote his show...but he just replied that "corporate" radio doesn't interest him. So I think he will be stuck in low power AM's until he "gets" it.

I will still contend that the guy still doesn't "get" what it takes to succeed in the business....and that is....not knocking what the mainstream likes.... learning how to manipulate the "suits" to give you the airtime and exposure you want....dropping the condesending attitude toward anyone in and out of radio who doesn't see things as you do.

Again, I'm sorry if I came across as "Bopst Bashing" but I guess I'm getting tired of reading his "painfully" condesending posts without any explaination from him. I see many posts here on RInfo from people like you and me who take a lot of time explaining why we feel the way we feel, and that adds TREMENDOUSLY to this forum. Bopst just doesn't do that, so I'm left with a "Huh...Whats THAT all about???"

> Steve, if you read the whole listing of airstaff, Bopst has
> a 4 hour shift, it's not revolved all around him, more so
> the people that I have enjoyed in my life in Richmond. Jeff
> and Jeff, along with Tara Hunter, Dick Hungate, Lucas Foxx,
> Rik Maybee, Bopst and Kirby Carmichael. All of them would be
> a credit to this "LEE" format, which would be fitting for
> this area because of the history in this area, which did
> include General Robert E Lee. Now, if bopst decides to take
> your advice, then so be it, but to attack someone for
> praising someone who won't take your advice is rather
> ignorant. All I can say is that I do listen to BOB like
> stations on the web, and I hate to tell you this, but bopst
> is still beating out corporate Bob like stations out there
> with variety. Difference is this, Bopst barely deals with
> the mainstream, as from what I have heard on the Bob
> stations, it's mainstream for the most part. This station,
> if I ran it would be something you would love, if you liked
> deep cuts as much as the mainstream cuts on the air. This
> area needs LEE, I will give you that. I like Bopst's show
> and I mean this when I say this, come to richmond sometime
> and listen to his show. Give it a shot, heck, once I gave it
> a shot, I got addicted to it. Whenever I get time to listen
> to it, I do for the variety that I know I am not going to
> get anywhere in Richmond or the internet.
> <P ID="signature">______________
Steve Shannon WELK,WINA
Steve Hendrix WRVQ,WRNL,WLEE
Starr Stevens WROV,WXIL,WKEE
The Real Steve Kelly WGH,WZCL,WLTY
Kelly Wayne WTVR,WKEZ
www.wrovhistory.com
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[stevehendrix]

Re: LEE-FM is friggin' brilliant!

Bopst, in case you didn't see my reply to Dan above, I apoligize for bashing you. It was one of those internet moments. And I am glad to see a truly through and thought provoking reply from you below.

I must respectfully disagree with the Bob format being a cold presentation of music devoid of actual human interaction. Human interaction is not a big priority with listeners anymore 24 hours around the clock. Maybe in the morning show, but not in the rest of the dayparts. I dunno why this is, but it is a fact. So to succeed, you must conform to the masses and give them what they want, not what you think they need.

I do agree the Bob formats are a podcast on random. That's what is so cool about it. The music you want to hear without typical commercial chatter. Music "my" way that I dubbed to cd, so it seems.

It is not a randomness for the sake of randomness. And it is not a dream of bringing back a format from the 70s or 80s featuring jocks and making it popular again. That just ain't gonna happen in 2005.

Your WHFS was probably not different than many stations that used to broadcast in R-mond. USED TO is the key phrase here. Thats in the past now as far as listeners care.

The future is now. The old programming ideas just don't work anymore.

New approaches to local commercial FM radio attracts huge commercial die hard followers. New approaches to local commercial AM radio attracts a limited few commercial die hard followers.

The reason there is a steadfast reluctance on behalf of the radio industry to
pursue the WHFS approach to music radio formatting is that its been tried an tried over and over again and just doesn't work anymore with listeners.

I have a great appreciation for what you are trying to do. As the artist you are (I've seen your website) I wouldn't expect anything less. I just think you are going about it the wrong way.

And no doubt, thats MY problem.

So I guess we both have problems with each others approach to radio. Well, thats OK with me if its OK with you.

Theres room for both of us on the dial!

Peace,

Steve


> First off, sorry Steve. I thought LEE was an actual station
> and not just a good idea.
>
> The Bob formats open up play lists, yes, but from what from
> I've heard the analogy of the Eagles next to Vanilla Ice is
> a more than apt reference. Also, it is a rather cold
> presentation of music devoid of actual human interaction. To
> me, the BOB format is nothing more than a casual, top 40's
> music fan's an Pod set on random.
>
> I believe in order for a variety format to find an audience,
> the lessons of talk radio should not be dismissed. A balance
> between the on air personality and the music is vital.
> Otherwise, its just randomness for the sake of randomness. I
> grew up with the late, great WHFS in the late 70's/early
> 80's which I think is still the perfect example of the needs
> of commerce and creativity coming together to create
> something truly unique. The DJ's had personality and exposed
> the listening audience to a vast array of music. And, most
> importantly, it was profitable.
>
> The BOB format, on the other hand, is soulless. And its a,
> "insert your city here" format where one size fits all.
>
> If a station were to embrace the lessons of WHFS, I have no
> doubt whatsoever that it would find a listening audience.
> Richmond's WRIR has fanatical support even with its
> extremely limited broadcast range and brought in 20 grand
> during their first pledge drive. That's nothing to sneeze
> at. Though WRIR is far from being perfect, commercial radio
> could learn a thing or two from WRIR's calling cards of
> innovative play lists, true community involvement and
> personality driven music programs.
>
> Too bad that regional identity is a thing of the past
> because I doubt that this idea could be applied successfully
> without the format being tailored to local listening
> commodities.
>
> I can't tell you how many calls I get from people who say
> ridiculously kind things about my radio show. Young, old,
> men, women, black, white...you name it. "I love your radio
> show" is a common refrain which is always humbling to hear.
> Not to blow my own horn (and I am by no means-duh-a genius),
> but despite what certain radio professionals may think, my
> show has found an audience grateful to be able to hear
> something else on their radio dial than the mindless
> repetition of corporate mandated hits.
>
> There is an audience, a larger audience than the suits will
> ever acknowledge, out there hungry for a station similar to
> the late great WHFS. I just wonder why there is such a
> steadfast reluctance on behalf of the radio industry to
> pursue this approach to music radio formatting.
>
> They could call it LEE....
> <P ID="signature">______________
Steve Shannon WELK,WINA
Steve Hendrix WRVQ,WRNL,WLEE
Starr Stevens WROV,WXIL,WKEE
The Real Steve Kelly WGH,WZCL,WLTY
Kelly Wayne WTVR,WKEZ
www.wrovhistory.com
</P>

 

[bopst]

Re: LEE-FM is friggin' brilliant!

When you talk about the masses, I think you don't take into account that, in that mass, there is large segment of them that would enjoy and embrace a return to something akin to the successes of WHFS or the free wheeling days of early FM radio. Why does the majority of radio programming have to cater exclusively to the lowest common denominator? Also, the majority, if not all of the largest bandwidths, already cater to that market. It's not a case of giving 'em what they want as the latest payola scandal (has it ever really gone away?) duly attests. The housewife market is saturated. What about the rest of us?

The BOB format is really just a cheap copy of what is being offered by subscription radio which can truly offer diversity on a mind numbing scale. Its sorta like ABC trying to do the Sopranos. A cheap imitation of the real deal. Also, if a person already has an IPod of their favorite tunes, why would they want to listen to the radio anyway?

The young people I know (18-35) don't even listen to radio except by default. They have a plateau of entertainment options at their fingertips better suited to cater to their tastes. Corporate radio is slow to realize this and eventually, their steadfast belief in maintaining antiquated notions of what they think the people want will secure their inevitable demise.

I don't understand your dismissal of human interaction. Look at talk radio. From Howard Stern to Rush, personality driven formats are wildly popular with listening audiences and a merging of personality and music brings together the best of both worlds.

Despite what you have implied, I have haven't heard a single station even begin to emulate what WHFS did and certainly not in the last 10 years. (It's been tried over and over again? I beg to differ) Know why? Of coarse you do. Because one size fits all rules on (corporate) radio today. The same play lists that are heard here are heard exactly the same in Boise, Idaho and all points in-between.

And there is no way in knowing if my show or a show like it could garner a listening audience on a powerful FM ban because it simply would not be allowed by the corporate office. Until that could actually happen, there is no way to say with absolute certainty that it wouldn't be successful. I have no illusions that a show such as mine would win over the Lite 98 crowd, but, as many people who crave continuous light favorites, there are just as many, if not more, who hate it. Are those people not worthy of a viable alternative?

I'm not suggesting to bring back the past glories of 70's radio which, as you have stated, is impossible in this present age. What I think should be brought to the table to open new markets in this era is to incorporate the best of the old (deep cuts, actual DJ's & programming diversity) with the new. Subscription radio is already doing this and its audience is growing. The same can not be said about FM/AM radio.

I am greatly interested in hearing how you think I am going about this the wrong way. I most certainly agree that in order to do my show as I'm currently doing it hasn't a snowballs chance in hell on a FM station, but that's because corporate radio doesn't allow for true local involvement or programming diversity. Am I wrong? The only place for my show is on the fringes of the dial given present circumstances and I'm fine with that. I do everything myself from advertising to production and, if that is what it takes to do my show as I see fit, then so be it. I have a great radio show that enjoys a large and varied listening audience on a 1,000 watt stick and I am certain, that if given a chance to do my thing on a larger bandwidth with the proper support, my show would prove to be popular with listeners and advertisers. The problem is, that will never happen.

The idea of Being Bill Bevins or Dick Hungate is mortifying to me. Not that I have anything against them, it's just not what I would want to do. The life of eventual replacement by a machine is not the one for me and that seems to be the predicament of corporate radio jocks.

As old blue eyes once sang, "I gotta be me".







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[Oldiesgal]

Re: LEE-FM is friggin' brilliant!

> When you talk about the masses, I think you don't take into
> account that, in that mass, there is large segment of them
> that would enjoy and embrace a return to something akin to
> the successes of WHFS or the free wheeling days of early FM
> radio. Why does the majority of radio programming have to
> cater exclusively to the lowest common denominator? Also,
> the majority, if not all of the largest bandwidths, already
> cater to that market. It's not a case of giving 'em what
> they want as the latest payola scandal (has it ever really
> gone away?) duly attests. The housewife market is saturated.
> What about the rest of us?
>
> The BOB format is really just a cheap copy of what is being
> offered by subscription radio which can truly offer
> diversity on a mind numbing scale. Its sorta like ABC
> trying to do the Sopranos. A cheap imitation of the real
> deal. Also, if a person already has an IPod of their
> favorite tunes, why would they want to listen to the radio
> anyway?
>
> The young people I know (18-35) don't even listen to radio
> except by default. They have a plateau of entertainment
> options at their fingertips better suited to cater to their
> tastes. Corporate radio is slow to realize this and
> eventually, their steadfast belief in maintaining antiquated
> notions of what they think the people want will secure their
> inevitable demise.
>
> I don't understand your dismissal of human interaction. Look
> at talk radio. From Howard Stern to Rush, personality driven
> formats are wildly popular with listening audiences and a
> merging of personality and music brings together the best of
> both worlds.
>
> Despite what you have implied, I have haven't heard a single
> station even begin to emulate what WHFS did and certainly
> not in the last 10 years. (It's been tried over and over
> again? I beg to differ) Know why? Of coarse you do. Because
> one size fits all rules on (corporate) radio today. The same
> play lists that are heard here are heard exactly the same in
> Boise, Idaho and all points in-between.
>
> And there is no way in knowing if my show or a show like it
> could garner a listening audience on a powerful FM ban
> because it simply would not be allowed by the corporate
> office. Until that could actually happen, there is no way to
> say with absolute certainty that it wouldn't be successful.
> I have no illusions that a show such as mine would win over
> the Lite 98 crowd, but, as many people who crave continuous
> light favorites, there are just as many, if not more, who
> hate it. Are those people not worthy of a viable
> alternative?
>
> I'm not suggesting to bring back the past glories of 70's
> radio which, as you have stated, is impossible in this
> present age. What I think should be brought to the table to
> open new markets in this era is to incorporate the best of
> the old (deep cuts, actual DJ's & programming diversity)
> with the new. Subscription radio is already doing this and
> its audience is growing. The same can not be said about
> FM/AM radio.
>
> I am greatly interested in hearing how you think I am going
> about this the wrong way. I most certainly agree that in
> order to do my show as I'm currently doing it hasn't a
> snowballs chance in hell on a FM station, but that's because
> corporate radio doesn't allow for true local involvement or
> programming diversity. Am I wrong? The only place for my
> show is on the fringes of the dial given present
> circumstances and I'm fine with that. I do everything myself
> from advertising to production and, if that is what it takes
> to do my show as I see fit, then so be it. I have a great
> radio show that enjoys a large and varied listening audience
> on a 1,000 watt stick and I am certain, that if given a
> chance to do my thing on a larger bandwidth with the proper
> support, my show would prove to be popular with listeners
> and advertisers. The problem is, that will never happen.
>
> The idea of Being Bill Bevins or Dick Hungate is mortifying
> to me. Not that I have anything against them, it's just not
> what I would want to do. The life of eventual replacement by
> a machine is not the one for me and that seems to be the
> predicament of corporate radio jocks.
>
> As old blue eyes once sang, "I gotta be me".

Unfortunately for the dudes on this board, there are people who do not like Alternative Rock or what was once called AOR. There are people who never listened to the early days of XL-102. There are those old times "squares" who really liked Alden Aaroe like people today like Bill Bevins. WTVR -FM simply filled the gap left by the old live and local version of MOR WRVA. I certainly repect your tastes , but the high points of Richmond radio to me was when WEZS went AC in the eighties and WTVR picked up the format 10 years later. I'd rather listen to BIll Bevins playing Air Supply or Steve Leonard than anything ever coming over 102.1. I'm not a complete loss though. I do miss WLEE from the sixties and I never missed Page Wilson. I also liked the bluegras on WXGI.
So sue me. And quit making jokes about transsexuals, or I'll report you to Bill Maher.
>

 

[stevehendrix]

Re: LEE-FM is friggin' brilliant!

You're asking too many questions (below) I don't have an answer to. It might be better if YOU answered the questions yourself so I/we/the board can better understand all your "Why" questions and your solutions for them.

I've edited my post here after reading it again because I'm starting to fall into that old trap of swaying off the subject.



> When you talk about the masses, I think you don't take into
> account that, in that mass, there is large segment of them
> that would enjoy and embrace a return to something akin to
> the successes of WHFS or the free wheeling days of early FM
> radio. Why does the majority of radio programming have to
> cater exclusively to the lowest common denominator? Also,
> the majority, if not all of the largest bandwidths, already
> cater to that market. It's not a case of giving 'em what
> they want as the latest payola scandal (has it ever really
> gone away?) duly attests. The housewife market is saturated.
> What about the rest of us?
>
> The BOB format is really just a cheap copy of what is being
> offered by subscription radio which can truly offer
> diversity on a mind numbing scale. Its sorta like ABC
> trying to do the Sopranos. A cheap imitation of the real
> deal. Also, if a person already has an IPod of their
> favorite tunes, why would they want to listen to the radio
> anyway?
>
> The young people I know (18-35) don't even listen to radio
> except by default. They have a plateau of entertainment
> options at their fingertips better suited to cater to their
> tastes. Corporate radio is slow to realize this and
> eventually, their steadfast belief in maintaining antiquated
> notions of what they think the people want will secure their
> inevitable demise.
>
> I don't understand your dismissal of human interaction. Look
> at talk radio. From Howard Stern to Rush, personality driven
> formats are wildly popular with listening audiences and a
> merging of personality and music brings together the best of
> both worlds.
>
> Despite what you have implied, I have haven't heard a single
> station even begin to emulate what WHFS did and certainly
> not in the last 10 years. (It's been tried over and over
> again? I beg to differ) Know why? Of coarse you do. Because
> one size fits all rules on (corporate) radio today. The same
> play lists that are heard here are heard exactly the same in
> Boise, Idaho and all points in-between.
>
> And there is no way in knowing if my show or a show like it
> could garner a listening audience on a powerful FM ban
> because it simply would not be allowed by the corporate
> office. Until that could actually happen, there is no way to
> say with absolute certainty that it wouldn't be successful.
> I have no illusions that a show such as mine would win over
> the Lite 98 crowd, but, as many people who crave continuous
> light favorites, there are just as many, if not more, who
> hate it. Are those people not worthy of a viable
> alternative?
>
> I'm not suggesting to bring back the past glories of 70's
> radio which, as you have stated, is impossible in this
> present age. What I think should be brought to the table to
> open new markets in this era is to incorporate the best of
> the old (deep cuts, actual DJ's & programming diversity)
> with the new. Subscription radio is already doing this and
> its audience is growing. The same can not be said about
> FM/AM radio.
>
> I am greatly interested in hearing how you think I am going
> about this the wrong way. I most certainly agree that in
> order to do my show as I'm currently doing it hasn't a
> snowballs chance in hell on a FM station, but that's because
> corporate radio doesn't allow for true local involvement or
> programming diversity. Am I wrong? The only place for my
> show is on the fringes of the dial given present
> circumstances and I'm fine with that. I do everything myself
> from advertising to production and, if that is what it takes
> to do my show as I see fit, then so be it. I have a great
> radio show that enjoys a large and varied listening audience
> on a 1,000 watt stick and I am certain, that if given a
> chance to do my thing on a larger bandwidth with the proper
> support, my show would prove to be popular with listeners
> and advertisers. The problem is, that will never happen.
>
> The idea of Being Bill Bevins or Dick Hungate is mortifying
> to me. Not that I have anything against them, it's just not
> what I would want to do. The life of eventual replacement by
> a machine is not the one for me and that seems to be the
> predicament of corporate radio jocks.
>
> As old blue eyes once sang, "I gotta be me".
> <P ID="signature">______________
Steve Shannon WELK,WINA
Steve Hendrix WRVQ,WRNL,WLEE
Starr Stevens WROV,WXIL,WKEE
The Real Steve Kelly WGH,WZCL,WLTY
Kelly Wayne WTVR,WKEZ
www.wrovhistory.com
</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Steve Hendrix on 08/29/05 09:18 AM.</FONT></P>

 

[stevehendrix]

Re: LEE-FM is friggin' brilliant!

Thats an interesting answer Oldiesgal.

> Unfortunately for the dudes on this board, there are
> people who do not like Alternative Rock or what was once
> called AOR. There are people who never listened to the early
> days of XL-102. There are those old times "squares" who
> really liked Alden Aaroe like people today like Bill Bevins.
> WTVR -FM simply filled the gap left by the old live and
> local version of MOR WRVA. I certainly repect your tastes ,
> but the high points of Richmond radio to me was when WEZS
> went AC in the eighties and WTVR picked up the format 10
> years later. I'd rather listen to BIll Bevins playing Air
> Supply or Steve Leonard than anything ever coming over
> 102.1. I'm not a complete loss though. I do miss WLEE from
> the sixties and I never missed Page Wilson. I also liked the
> bluegrass on WXGI.
> So sue me. And quit making jokes about transsexuals, or
> I'll report you to Bill Maher.
> >
> <P ID="signature">______________
Steve Shannon WELK,WINA
Steve Hendrix WRVQ,WRNL,WLEE
Starr Stevens WROV,WXIL,WKEE
The Real Steve Kelly WGH,WZCL,WLTY
Kelly Wayne WTVR,WKEZ
www.wrovhistory.com
</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Steve Hendrix on 08/29/05 09:19 AM.</FONT></P>

 

[bopst]

Re: LEE-FM is friggin' brilliant!

Steve: I guess nothing I write here is worthy of your esteemed time now is it, O' mighty king of radio knowledge? And what is this maddening insistence for solutions and bona fide answers to win your approval? If copying the BOB format verbatim is your idea of a programming innovation, well then, the emperor has no clothes.

And it shows the amazing lack of programming creativity. Is pale imitation the most radio can aspire to (yes, more questions)?

Here, self appointed master of radio knowledge, are 3 things to consider:

1. Theme shows. Following a theme musically to fit a date of historical significance or the lineage of a particular genre of music. To advertisers, their ads could be tailored to fit the theme of the show. In order to do a proper theme show, the on air personality would have to be well versed with the music covered as well as providing the linear narrative required to make each show successful.

2. Open up the play lists. Not some arbitrary IPod randomness for randomness sake, but a concerted programming effort to put some rhyme and reason into it. For example, in the classic rock format, people like Led Zeppelin, right? Logic dictates that if they like the hits from the group, chances are they are already well versed with a popular groups catalog so why not go several cuts deeper? Hard core fans would appreciate something more than the obvious and casual listeners would appreciate hearing something from a group they already like that they might not have heard before. This same principle of deeper cuts could be applied to any format.

3. Limit the number of advertisers per hour. If the radio audience knows that commercial breaks are short in duration, they won't spin the dial once the commercials begin. Not only would this prove pleasing to listeners, but advertisers as well because they would be assured that their commercials won't be lost in the mix and that their ads would be predominantly featured. Charge them more for the time given these benefits and everybody wins.

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[stevehendrix]

Re: LEE-FM is friggin' brilliant!

Really Bopst. If it wasn't so late last night I would have responded but I have to get up early to be at my job. So I took the lazy way and asked you. So sue me already. I'm at work now so I'll have to be brief.

I post topics not for my approval, but for the input of radio ideas from others. I believe thats what this board is all about. If i didn't want or care about this forums opinion I wouldn't post topic and ask for ideas/solutions. I sure as hell ain't no master of all radio knowledge.

Now you're not going to believe this, and probably don't care anyway, but I really do think your ideas below are excellent and agree with you 100%. I never said do a Bob format verbatum. Expanded playlist, themes, short stopsets are all winner ideas.

The podcast presentation is like, most of radio, a smokescreen for what is really a programmed format. The Bob format's have the biggest expanded playlists that I know of. Now I haven't heard any theme shows but thats always a fun plus to highlight the music. I would like to see 2 minute stopsets, which might be hard to manage, but I'm all for it.



> Steve: I guess nothing I write here is worthy of your
> esteemed time now is it, O' mighty king of radio knowledge?
> And what is this maddening insistence for solutions and bona
> fide answers to win your approval? If copying the BOB format
> verbatim is your idea of a programming innovation, well
> then, the emperor has no clothes.
>
> And it shows the amazing lack of programming creativity. Is
> pale imitation the most radio can aspire to (yes, more
> questions)?
>
> Here, self appointed master of radio knowledge, are 3 things
> to consider:
>
> 1. Theme shows. Following a theme musically to fit a date of
> historical significance or the lineage of a particular genre
> of music. To advertisers, their ads could be tailored to fit
> the theme of the show. In order to do a proper theme show,
> the on air personality would have to be well versed with the
> music covered as well as providing the linear narrative
> required to make each show successful.
>
> 2. Open up the play lists. Not some arbitrary IPod
> randomness for randomness sake, but a concerted programming
> effort to put some rhyme and reason into it. For example, in
> the classic rock format, people like Led Zeppelin, right?
> Logic dictates that if they like the hits from the group,
> chances are they are already well versed with a popular
> groups catalog so why not go several cuts deeper? Hard core
> fans would appreciate something more than the obvious and
> casual listeners would appreciate hearing something from a
> group they already like that they might not have heard
> before. This same principle of deeper cuts could be applied
> to any format.
>
> 3. Limit the number of advertisers per hour. If the radio
> audience knows that commercial breaks are short in duration,
> they won't spin the dial once the commercials begin. Not
> only would this prove pleasing to listeners, but advertisers
> as well because they would be assured that their commercials
> won't be lost in the mix and that their ads would be
> predominantly featured. Charge them more for the time given
> these benefits and everybody wins.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Steve Shannon WELK,WINA
Steve Hendrix WRVQ,WRNL,WLEE
Starr Stevens WROV,WXIL,WKEE
The Real Steve Kelly WGH,WZCL,WLTY
Kelly Wayne WTVR,WKEZ
www.wrovhistory.com
</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by VARTV on 08/30/05 07:20 PM.</FONT></P>

 

[Dan_Evans]

Re: Only...LEE??? but with a list of airstaff to die for!!

> DAN, you are absolutely right about about me being ignorant
> for seemingly attacking Bopst if he won't accept my advice.
> I guess it was an internet moment for me at the time. We all
> have 'em.
>
> I will apoligize to the guy right now. I apoligize Bopst.
>
> I guess what bothers me so much is the guy appears to have
> such a condesending attitute for what the mainstream
> listeners like, and the knowledge people like myself have
> that could he could benefit from. But I guess thats his
> problem.
>
> I do wish he would post what he thinks is a good playlist so
> we would know where he is coming from. I can't take time
> off from work to drive to Richmond just to listen to the
> Bopst show. It ain't that important to me.
>
> Now maybe in your opinion, Bopst is beating out the
> corporate guys with his variety. How do you describe
> variety? Post some examples of back to back songs he plays
> so we can get a look and judge if his variety is for us. But
> as long as he continues to do that on a low power AM, he
> will never get a mainstream listership. He needs exposure on
> a high power FM to test his listener appreciation for what
> he does. I thought I gave him some pretty good advise on
> approaching college FM's and the local PBS radio station to
> promote his show...but he just replied that "corporate"
> radio doesn't interest him. So I think he will be stuck in
> low power AM's until he "gets" it.
>
> I will still contend that the guy still doesn't "get" what
> it takes to succeed in the business....and that is....not
> knocking what the mainstream likes.... learning how to
> manipulate the "suits" to give you the airtime and exposure
> you want....dropping the condesending attitude toward anyone
> in and out of radio who doesn't see things as you do.
>
> Again, I'm sorry if I came across as "Bopst Bashing" but I
> guess I'm getting tired of reading his "painfully"
> condesending posts without any explaination from him. I see
> many posts here on RInfo from people like you and me who
> take a lot of time explaining why we feel the way we feel,
> and that adds TREMENDOUSLY to this forum. Bopst just doesn't
> do that, so I'm left with a "Huh...Whats THAT all about???"
>
>
> > Steve, if you read the whole listing of airstaff, Bopst
> has
> > a 4 hour shift, it's not revolved all around him, more so
> > the people that I have enjoyed in my life in Richmond.
> Jeff
> > and Jeff, along with Tara Hunter, Dick Hungate, Lucas
> Foxx,
> > Rik Maybee, Bopst and Kirby Carmichael. All of them would
> be
> > a credit to this "LEE" format, which would be fitting for
> > this area because of the history in this area, which did
> > include General Robert E Lee. Now, if bopst decides to
> take
> > your advice, then so be it, but to attack someone for
> > praising someone who won't take your advice is rather
> > ignorant. All I can say is that I do listen to BOB like
> > stations on the web, and I hate to tell you this, but
> bopst
> > is still beating out corporate Bob like stations out there
>
> > with variety. Difference is this, Bopst barely deals with
> > the mainstream, as from what I have heard on the Bob
> > stations, it's mainstream for the most part. This station,
>
> > if I ran it would be something you would love, if you
> liked
> > deep cuts as much as the mainstream cuts on the air. This
> > area needs LEE, I will give you that. I like Bopst's show
> > and I mean this when I say this, come to richmond sometime
>
> > and listen to his show. Give it a shot, heck, once I gave
> it
> > a shot, I got addicted to it. Whenever I get time to
> listen
> > to it, I do for the variety that I know I am not going to
> > get anywhere in Richmond or the internet.
> >
>

Steve, when is the last time you heard Duke Ellington and Herb Albert on the radio, besides NPR, which does a good job of playing Jazz that is NOT mainstream. Deep cuts of Floyd, Zepplin, Hendrix, The Beatles that now get tossed away for the mainstream lists, for whatever reason. Songs from people who had a great hit, then faded into the back way into the bin. To stretch that point futher, something else by The Church besides Under the Milky Way Tonight and something by The Fixx besides One Think Leads to Another. Now, if I wanted to get some real deep cut fix of say, classic rock, I can go to AOL radio and select Classic Rock 3, which plays the deep cuts. Their jazz station has one for the group of us that enjoys the classics and I don't mean Kenny G. Aol is with XM and carries some of their stations, so if you want classic alternative(with some deep cuts) go to XM Fred on Ch 44.

I got bored with the mainstream around the time that WRXL was playing all the mainstream rock, and left out the deep cuts, except for Rik Maybee's Sunday show, Days of Future's Past. I at first saw hope in the BOB format down in Norfolk, until I heard Brittany Spears on there. Sorry, but Z104 is top 40 enough for me, as is the new Zone station. My top 40 tastes these days are more of a Adult Alternative type, so think Norah Jones and John Mayer. As opposed to Justin Timerlake, Black Eyed Peas and so on. To the mainstream these days, Kenny G set the standards for jazz. My reaction to that is well, with that attitude, it's a wonder that the jazz format stays on the air. My ideal format for the "LEE" format is a ecletic mix, you won't know what you are going to hear next on there. It would be a return to the days of WVGO(before stern) and WHFS(before they went mainstream alt). A return to the deep cuts, along with mainstream cuts. Unlike Q94, Flashback Friday would be exactly that, not one song every 30 minutes with the rest of it top 40 heavy rotation.

Yes, Steve, we all have internet moments. A few days ago, I told this guy who thought that Pat Robertson was the best thing in all of human existence that he had more than a few screws loose. It would be funnier though, if it were Pat himself LOL. Yes, I am anti mainstream on the air 24-7, but if it's sprinkled in there along with a lot of deep cuts, then you have me listening. In so far as we can keep it that way. Sadly though, those days are gone, except in certain cases!

 

[HunterX]

Re: LEE-FM is friggin' brilliant!

Wow. It took me about three days to get through this string. While I agree that the masses DO indeed like talk radio hosts like Howard Stern and Rush Limbaugh, the ugly truth is that air personalities of that caliber are few-and-far-between. There's certainly not enough of them to populate radio stations with an "interesting talk/musical variety" type format as broached here. I know the last thing I want to hear on the radio is some no-talent/self indulgent wanna-be Stern blathering on-and-on between Pink Floyd songs that were throwaways in the first place. The problem with being "too cool for the room" is that more often than not, you find that you're the only one in the room...

> Really Bopst. If it wasn't so late last night I would have
> responded but I have to get up early to be at my job. So I
> took the lazy way and asked you. So sue me already. I'm at
> work now so I'll have to be brief.
>
> I post topics not for my approval, but for the input of
> radio ideas from others. I believe thats what this board is
> all about. If i didn't want or care about this forums
> opinion I wouldn't post topic and ask for ideas/solutions. I
> sure as hell ain't no master of all radio knowledge.
>
> Now you're not going to believe this, and probably don't
> care anyway, but I really do think your ideas below are
> excellent and agree with you 100%. I never said do a Bob
> format verbatum. Expanded playlist, themes, short stopsets
> are all winner ideas.
>
> The podcast presentation is like, most of radio, a
> smokescreen for what is really a programmed format. The Bob
> format's have the biggest expanded playlists that I know of.
> Now I haven't heard any theme shows but thats always a fun
> plus to highlight the music. I would like to see 2 minute
> stopsets, which might be hard to manage, but I'm all for it.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by VARTV on 08/30/05 07:19 PM.</FONT></P>