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Op-Ed piece on Edward R. Murrow

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Guest
October 9, 2005
Good Night, and the Good Fight
By NEAL GABLER
Amagansett, N.Y.

EVEN now, 40 years after his death, Edward R. Murrow remains the gold standard of American journalism - "the patron saint of my profession," as the radio host Bob Edwards called him in a biography last year. Murrow's vivid reports from wartime Europe for CBS radio brought unprecedented eloquence and immediacy to the medium. His documentaries for CBS television brought an unabashedly compassionate vision to the dispossessed and disempowered. And his famous confrontations with the red-baiting Senator Joseph McCarthy on "See It Now," chronicled in George Clooney's acclaimed new film, "Good Night, and Good Luck," brought courage and conscience to television news. Murrow was, as a panel on Mr. Clooney's film at the New York Film Festival put it, the one mainstream journalist who dared "speak truth to power."

Such is Murrow's legacy that his name is often invoked to demonstrate the shortcomings of contemporary journalism, where it is almost inconceivable to imagine any TV reporter directly challenging the powers that be, or any broadcast mogul supporting him in doing so, as CBS's William S. Paley, albeit reluctantly, supported Murrow (which only goes to show that Murrow's bequest is honored more in the breach than in practice).

But Murrow left another legacy, one that has had a much more powerful - and in many ways worrisome - impact on his profession. Beyond anything else, Edward R. Murrow brought stardom and dramatic values to the news, not the least of which was a stirring sense of righteous advocacy.

Almost from the moment Murrow began delivering his dispatches from a Europe on the brink of war, he was no ordinary reporter. He behaved differently from other reporters. When war began, he thrust himself in the middle of the action, holding out his microphone so that listeners could hear the explosions during the London Blitz, in the process turning himself into a protagonist of the battle as well as an observer of it.

Murrow sounded different from other journalists, too. He spoke in a rich, deep baritone that added to the dramatic effect, and he had a trademark halting cadence that turned reportage into poetry. He even looked different from the typical bedraggled reporter of "Front Page" yore. He wore bespoke suits and always seemed to have a steely squint in his eye and a cigarette dangling elegantly from his lips or tucked into the crook of his fingers. He was dark, brooding, remote and irresistibly attractive to women - attributes more to be found in a movie star than a journalist. He had a persona.

It was no accident, then, that Murrow enjoyed an instant affinity with television when he moved from radio to the new medium. Television news in its infancy didn't have stars; it had news readers like John Cameron Swayze and Douglas Edwards sitting in the studio, and microphone-holders in the field. Into this void, Murrow brought something for which television hungered: charisma. The camera loved him.

People have always been loath to admit the movie-star component of Murrow's appeal or its centrality to his journalism, even when in 1953 he began a celebrity interview program called "Person to Person." (He justified the show by saying it would help him gain leeway to practice his real journalism.) His admirers were at pains to distinguish it from his more elevated news show, "See It Now." "Low Murrow," one contemporary media critic called "Person to Person," as opposed to "See It Now," which was "high Murrow."

But the distinction may not have been as great as Murrow partisans wanted to think. Both low and high Murrow understood that television was a personality-driven medium, and both traded in the stock of entertainment value, which has always been the primary currency of television, including television news. Essentially, Murrow was as much entertainer as reporter.

When Murrow decided to confront McCarthy, most of his admirers fastened, as Mr. Clooney has, on his willingness to sacrifice the pretense of objectivity for the higher realm of truth. This was Murrow at the barricades. Yet as far as the history of journalism was concerned, the way in which the confrontation was staged may have been just as, if not more, important than the content.

Murrow chose to frame himself as the hero, McCarthy as the sinister villain (which, admittedly, wasn't too difficult). But Murrow's terms were not journalistic terms. They were the terms of drama and film. By engaging in a showdown with McCarthy, a political high noon, Murrow had converted news into theater, not incidentally increasing its force. The journalist in Murrow understood this, and was apparently disconcerted by it; a colleague of his at CBS told another biographer, A. M. Sperber, that "the McCarthy program bothered the hell out of him" and led him to wonder, "Did he or anyone else have the right to use this tremendous power to attack one man?"

Of course, what made Murrow the hero of the drama was his sense of advocacy. He was a journalistic star in large measure because he was also a journalistic Paladin. He wasn't just reporting on McCarthy and righting the senator's record of reckless distortions (other journalists had by then exposed the senator's exaggerations and intimidation), he was righting wrongs.

It was this departure from the typically timid approach of broadcast news that made his attack on McCarthy a signal moment in American television journalism. "This is not the time for those who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods to keep silent - or for those who approve," Murrow intoned on his famous March 9, 1954, broadcast of "See It Now." "There is no way for a citizen of a republic to abdicate his responsibility." Thus Murrow abandoned the aerie of objectivity to brandish the cudgel of righteousness.

Where Murrow led, others would follow. When Walter Cronkite returned from Vietnam early in 1968 and announced, in an analysis he himself called "speculative, personal and subjective," that the United States was "mired in a stalemate," he was clearly following the Murrow tradition, both because he had developed his own oracular persona as television news's Judge Hardy and because he was willing to editorialize.

Murrow's admirers justifiably celebrate this tradition, and his instincts have been affirmed by history. Mr. Cronkite did change the course of the war, just as CNN's Anderson Cooper, Fox News's Shepard Smith and others who challenged the governmental response to Hurricane Katrina forced officials to act. But journalistic crusades can cut both ways. Not every news celebrity is as consistently on the side of the angels as Murrow was, or is as scrupulous in distinguishing advocacy from mere opinion-mongering, showboating and, worse, partisanship. If a line runs from Murrow to Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw and "Nightline," it also runs to Bill O'Reilly, Chris Matthews and "The Barbara Walters Specials."

They are all Murrow's heirs, not because they speak truth to power or because they are guided by conscience or because they adhere to any high-minded principle as he did. They are Murrow's heirs because they all demonstrate an understanding that stardom matters, that news without dramatic form isn't likely to survive. This may not be Edward R. Murrow's proudest legacy, but it may very well be his most enduring one.

Neal Gabler, the author of "Winchell: Gossip, Power and the Culture of Celebrity," is writing a biography of Walt Disney.
 
> October 9, 2005
> Good Night, and the Good Fight
> By NEAL GABLER
> Amagansett, N.Y.
>
> EVEN now, 40 years after his death, Edward R. Murrow remains
> the gold standard of American journalism - "the patron saint
> of my profession," as the radio host Bob Edwards called him
> in a biography last year. Murrow's vivid reports from
> wartime Europe for CBS radio brought unprecedented eloquence
> and immediacy to the medium. His documentaries for CBS
> television brought an unabashedly compassionate vision to
> the dispossessed and disempowered. And his famous
> confrontations with the red-baiting Senator Joseph McCarthy
> on "See It Now," chronicled in George Clooney's acclaimed
> new film, "Good Night, and Good Luck," brought courage and
> conscience to television news. Murrow was, as a panel on Mr.
> Clooney's film at the New York Film Festival put it, the one
> mainstream journalist who dared "speak truth to power."
>
> Such is Murrow's legacy that his name is often invoked to
> demonstrate the shortcomings of contemporary journalism,
> where it is almost inconceivable to imagine any TV reporter
> directly challenging the powers that be, or any broadcast
> mogul supporting him in doing so, as CBS's William S. Paley,
> albeit reluctantly, supported Murrow (which only goes to
> show that Murrow's bequest is honored more in the breach
> than in practice).
>
> But Murrow left another legacy, one that has had a much more
> powerful - and in many ways worrisome - impact on his
> profession. Beyond anything else, Edward R. Murrow brought
> stardom and dramatic values to the news, not the least of
> which was a stirring sense of righteous advocacy.
>
> Almost from the moment Murrow began delivering his
> dispatches from a Europe on the brink of war, he was no
> ordinary reporter. He behaved differently from other
> reporters. When war began, he thrust himself in the middle
> of the action, holding out his microphone so that listeners
> could hear the explosions during the London Blitz, in the
> process turning himself into a protagonist of the battle as
> well as an observer of it.
>
> Murrow sounded different from other journalists, too. He
> spoke in a rich, deep baritone that added to the dramatic
> effect, and he had a trademark halting cadence that turned
> reportage into poetry. He even looked different from the
> typical bedraggled reporter of "Front Page" yore. He wore
> bespoke suits and always seemed to have a steely squint in
> his eye and a cigarette dangling elegantly from his lips or
> tucked into the crook of his fingers. He was dark, brooding,
> remote and irresistibly attractive to women - attributes
> more to be found in a movie star than a journalist. He had a
> persona.
>
> It was no accident, then, that Murrow enjoyed an instant
> affinity with television when he moved from radio to the new
> medium. Television news in its infancy didn't have stars; it
> had news readers like John Cameron Swayze and Douglas
> Edwards sitting in the studio, and microphone-holders in the
> field. Into this void, Murrow brought something for which
> television hungered: charisma. The camera loved him.
>
> People have always been loath to admit the movie-star
> component of Murrow's appeal or its centrality to his
> journalism, even when in 1953 he began a celebrity interview
> program called "Person to Person." (He justified the show by
> saying it would help him gain leeway to practice his real
> journalism.) His admirers were at pains to distinguish it
> from his more elevated news show, "See It Now." "Low
> Murrow," one contemporary media critic called "Person to
> Person," as opposed to "See It Now," which was "high
> Murrow."
>
> But the distinction may not have been as great as Murrow
> partisans wanted to think. Both low and high Murrow
> understood that television was a personality-driven medium,
> and both traded in the stock of entertainment value, which
> has always been the primary currency of television,
> including television news. Essentially, Murrow was as much
> entertainer as reporter.
>
> When Murrow decided to confront McCarthy, most of his
> admirers fastened, as Mr. Clooney has, on his willingness to
> sacrifice the pretense of objectivity for the higher realm
> of truth. This was Murrow at the barricades. Yet as far as
> the history of journalism was concerned, the way in which
> the confrontation was staged may have been just as, if not
> more, important than the content.
>
> Murrow chose to frame himself as the hero, McCarthy as the
> sinister villain (which, admittedly, wasn't too difficult).
> But Murrow's terms were not journalistic terms. They were
> the terms of drama and film. By engaging in a showdown with
> McCarthy, a political high noon, Murrow had converted news
> into theater, not incidentally increasing its force. The
> journalist in Murrow understood this, and was apparently
> disconcerted by it; a colleague of his at CBS told another
> biographer, A. M. Sperber, that "the McCarthy program
> bothered the hell out of him" and led him to wonder, "Did he
> or anyone else have the right to use this tremendous power
> to attack one man?"
>
> Of course, what made Murrow the hero of the drama was his
> sense of advocacy. He was a journalistic star in large
> measure because he was also a journalistic Paladin. He
> wasn't just reporting on McCarthy and righting the senator's
> record of reckless distortions (other journalists had by
> then exposed the senator's exaggerations and intimidation),
> he was righting wrongs.
>
> It was this departure from the typically timid approach of
> broadcast news that made his attack on McCarthy a signal
> moment in American television journalism. "This is not the
> time for those who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods to keep
> silent - or for those who approve," Murrow intoned on his
> famous March 9, 1954, broadcast of "See It Now." "There is
> no way for a citizen of a republic to abdicate his
> responsibility." Thus Murrow abandoned the aerie of
> objectivity to brandish the cudgel of righteousness.
>
> Where Murrow led, others would follow. When Walter Cronkite
> returned from Vietnam early in 1968 and announced, in an
> analysis he himself called "speculative, personal and
> subjective," that the United States was "mired in a
> stalemate," he was clearly following the Murrow tradition,
> both because he had developed his own oracular persona as
> television news's Judge Hardy and because he was willing to
> editorialize.
>
> Murrow's admirers justifiably celebrate this tradition, and
> his instincts have been affirmed by history. Mr. Cronkite
> did change the course of the war, just as CNN's Anderson
> Cooper, Fox News's Shepard Smith and others who challenged
> the governmental response to Hurricane Katrina forced
> officials to act. But journalistic crusades can cut both
> ways. Not every news celebrity is as consistently on the
> side of the angels as Murrow was, or is as scrupulous in
> distinguishing advocacy from mere opinion-mongering,
> showboating and, worse, partisanship. If a line runs from
> Murrow to Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw and "Nightline," it
> also runs to Bill O'Reilly, Chris Matthews and "The Barbara
> Walters Specials."
>
> They are all Murrow's heirs, not because they speak truth to
> power or because they are guided by conscience or because
> they adhere to any high-minded principle as he did. They are
> Murrow's heirs because they all demonstrate an understanding
> that stardom matters, that news without dramatic form isn't
> likely to survive. This may not be Edward R. Murrow's
> proudest legacy, but it may very well be his most enduring
> one.
>
> Neal Gabler, the author of "Winchell: Gossip, Power and the
> Culture of Celebrity," is writing a biography of Walt
> Disney.

EDWARD R MURROW: A TRUE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE AMERICAN. GOD BLESS HIM.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
The early bird may get the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese :)</P>
 
> > October 9, 2005
> > Good Night, and the Good Fight
> > By NEAL GABLER
> > Amagansett, N.Y.
> >
> > EVEN now, 40 years after his death, Edward R. Murrow
> remains
> > the gold standard of American journalism - "the patron
> saint
> > of my profession," as the radio host Bob Edwards called
> him
> > in a biography last year. Murrow's vivid reports from
> > wartime Europe for CBS radio brought unprecedented
> eloquence
> > and immediacy to the medium. His documentaries for CBS
> > television brought an unabashedly compassionate vision to
> > the dispossessed and disempowered. And his famous
> > confrontations with the red-baiting Senator Joseph
> McCarthy
> > on "See It Now," chronicled in George Clooney's acclaimed
> > new film, "Good Night, and Good Luck," brought courage and
>
> > conscience to television news. Murrow was, as a panel on
> Mr.
> > Clooney's film at the New York Film Festival put it, the
> one
> > mainstream journalist who dared "speak truth to power."
> >
> > Such is Murrow's legacy that his name is often invoked to
> > demonstrate the shortcomings of contemporary journalism,
> > where it is almost inconceivable to imagine any TV
> reporter
> > directly challenging the powers that be, or any broadcast
> > mogul supporting him in doing so, as CBS's William S.
> Paley,
> > albeit reluctantly, supported Murrow (which only goes to
> > show that Murrow's bequest is honored more in the breach
> > than in practice).
> >
> > But Murrow left another legacy, one that has had a much
> more
> > powerful - and in many ways worrisome - impact on his
> > profession. Beyond anything else, Edward R. Murrow brought
>
> > stardom and dramatic values to the news, not the least of
> > which was a stirring sense of righteous advocacy.
> >
> > Almost from the moment Murrow began delivering his
> > dispatches from a Europe on the brink of war, he was no
> > ordinary reporter. He behaved differently from other
> > reporters. When war began, he thrust himself in the middle
>
> > of the action, holding out his microphone so that
> listeners
> > could hear the explosions during the London Blitz, in the
> > process turning himself into a protagonist of the battle
> as
> > well as an observer of it.
> >
> > Murrow sounded different from other journalists, too. He
> > spoke in a rich, deep baritone that added to the dramatic
> > effect, and he had a trademark halting cadence that turned
>
> > reportage into poetry. He even looked different from the
> > typical bedraggled reporter of "Front Page" yore. He wore
> > bespoke suits and always seemed to have a steely squint in
>
> > his eye and a cigarette dangling elegantly from his lips
> or
> > tucked into the crook of his fingers. He was dark,
> brooding,
> > remote and irresistibly attractive to women - attributes
> > more to be found in a movie star than a journalist. He had
> a
> > persona.
> >
> > It was no accident, then, that Murrow enjoyed an instant
> > affinity with television when he moved from radio to the
> new
> > medium. Television news in its infancy didn't have stars;
> it
> > had news readers like John Cameron Swayze and Douglas
> > Edwards sitting in the studio, and microphone-holders in
> the
> > field. Into this void, Murrow brought something for which
> > television hungered: charisma. The camera loved him.
> >
> > People have always been loath to admit the movie-star
> > component of Murrow's appeal or its centrality to his
> > journalism, even when in 1953 he began a celebrity
> interview
> > program called "Person to Person." (He justified the show
> by
> > saying it would help him gain leeway to practice his real
> > journalism.) His admirers were at pains to distinguish it
> > from his more elevated news show, "See It Now." "Low
> > Murrow," one contemporary media critic called "Person to
> > Person," as opposed to "See It Now," which was "high
> > Murrow."
> >
> > But the distinction may not have been as great as Murrow
> > partisans wanted to think. Both low and high Murrow
> > understood that television was a personality-driven
> medium,
> > and both traded in the stock of entertainment value, which
>
> > has always been the primary currency of television,
> > including television news. Essentially, Murrow was as much
>
> > entertainer as reporter.
> >
> > When Murrow decided to confront McCarthy, most of his
> > admirers fastened, as Mr. Clooney has, on his willingness
> to
> > sacrifice the pretense of objectivity for the higher realm
>
> > of truth. This was Murrow at the barricades. Yet as far as
>
> > the history of journalism was concerned, the way in which
> > the confrontation was staged may have been just as, if not
>
> > more, important than the content.
> >
> > Murrow chose to frame himself as the hero, McCarthy as the
>
> > sinister villain (which, admittedly, wasn't too
> difficult).
> > But Murrow's terms were not journalistic terms. They were
> > the terms of drama and film. By engaging in a showdown
> with
> > McCarthy, a political high noon, Murrow had converted news
>
> > into theater, not incidentally increasing its force. The
> > journalist in Murrow understood this, and was apparently
> > disconcerted by it; a colleague of his at CBS told another
>
> > biographer, A. M. Sperber, that "the McCarthy program
> > bothered the hell out of him" and led him to wonder, "Did
> he
> > or anyone else have the right to use this tremendous power
>
> > to attack one man?"
> >
> > Of course, what made Murrow the hero of the drama was his
> > sense of advocacy. He was a journalistic star in large
> > measure because he was also a journalistic Paladin. He
> > wasn't just reporting on McCarthy and righting the
> senator's
> > record of reckless distortions (other journalists had by
> > then exposed the senator's exaggerations and
> intimidation),
> > he was righting wrongs.
> >
> > It was this departure from the typically timid approach of
>
> > broadcast news that made his attack on McCarthy a signal
> > moment in American television journalism. "This is not the
>
> > time for those who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods to
> keep
> > silent - or for those who approve," Murrow intoned on his
> > famous March 9, 1954, broadcast of "See It Now." "There is
>
> > no way for a citizen of a republic to abdicate his
> > responsibility." Thus Murrow abandoned the aerie of
> > objectivity to brandish the cudgel of righteousness.
> >
> > Where Murrow led, others would follow. When Walter
> Cronkite
> > returned from Vietnam early in 1968 and announced, in an
> > analysis he himself called "speculative, personal and
> > subjective," that the United States was "mired in a
> > stalemate," he was clearly following the Murrow tradition,
>
> > both because he had developed his own oracular persona as
> > television news's Judge Hardy and because he was willing
> to
> > editorialize.
> >
> > Murrow's admirers justifiably celebrate this tradition,
> and
> > his instincts have been affirmed by history. Mr. Cronkite
> > did change the course of the war, just as CNN's Anderson
> > Cooper, Fox News's Shepard Smith and others who challenged
>
> > the governmental response to Hurricane Katrina forced
> > officials to act. But journalistic crusades can cut both
> > ways. Not every news celebrity is as consistently on the
> > side of the angels as Murrow was, or is as scrupulous in
> > distinguishing advocacy from mere opinion-mongering,
> > showboating and, worse, partisanship. If a line runs from
> > Murrow to Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw and "Nightline," it
> > also runs to Bill O'Reilly, Chris Matthews and "The
> Barbara
> > Walters Specials."
> >
> > They are all Murrow's heirs, not because they speak truth
> to
> > power or because they are guided by conscience or because
> > they adhere to any high-minded principle as he did. They
> are
> > Murrow's heirs because they all demonstrate an
> understanding
> > that stardom matters, that news without dramatic form
> isn't
> > likely to survive. This may not be Edward R. Murrow's
> > proudest legacy, but it may very well be his most enduring
>
> > one.
> >
> > Neal Gabler, the author of "Winchell: Gossip, Power and
> the
> > Culture of Celebrity," is writing a biography of Walt
> > Disney.
>
> EDWARD R MURROW: A TRUE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE AMERICAN. GOD
> BLESS HIM.


Actually Ed was more complicated.

A liberal or progressive at heart but also a pragmatist.

He battled with William Paley often, but was also lucky to have Paley as a boss since Paley often allowed Murrow a long leash.
 
Very nice piece. Thanks for sharing it.

Despite what some of my more benignly snobbish news colleagues may believe (grin)...Murrow, Cronkite, Brinkley, Cooke and most of the rest of that grand lot were, if nothing else, very entertaining. Maybe they entertained with facts, but they entertained nonetheless. Winchell was entertaining, too...but he was also a flack.

The curious thing to me is that at their height, most of these people thought of themselves as merely "reporters". Not "Journalists", with an upper-case J.
They took their jobs very seriously; themselves, less so. They were on to something. No reporter caught in the check out line at target hears the greeting, "Hey! You're that journalist on channel..." They hear "Hey! You're that guy on TV!" The only people who call journalists "journalists" these days tend to be other journalists.

For further enjoyment on Murrow and his legacy, may I recommend "Prime Times, Bad Times" by Ed Joyce.

Jody

> > > October 9, 2005
> > > Good Night, and the Good Fight
> > > By NEAL GABLER
> > > Amagansett, N.Y.
> > >
> > > EVEN now, 40 years after his death, Edward R. Murrow
> > remains
> > > the gold standard of American journalism - "the patron
> > saint
> > > of my profession," as the radio host Bob Edwards called
> > him
> > > in a biography last year. Murrow's vivid reports from
> > > wartime Europe for CBS radio brought unprecedented
> > eloquence
> > > and immediacy to the medium. His documentaries for CBS
> > > television brought an unabashedly compassionate vision
> to
> > > the dispossessed and disempowered. And his famous
> > > confrontations with the red-baiting Senator Joseph
> > McCarthy
> > > on "See It Now," chronicled in George Clooney's
> acclaimed
> > > new film, "Good Night, and Good Luck," brought courage
> and
> >
> > > conscience to television news. Murrow was, as a panel on
>
> > Mr.
> > > Clooney's film at the New York Film Festival put it, the
>
> > one
> > > mainstream journalist who dared "speak truth to power."
>
> > >
> > > Such is Murrow's legacy that his name is often invoked
> to
> > > demonstrate the shortcomings of contemporary journalism,
>
> > > where it is almost inconceivable to imagine any TV
> > reporter
> > > directly challenging the powers that be, or any
> broadcast
> > > mogul supporting him in doing so, as CBS's William S.
> > Paley,
> > > albeit reluctantly, supported Murrow (which only goes to
>
> > > show that Murrow's bequest is honored more in the breach
>
> > > than in practice).
> > >
> > > But Murrow left another legacy, one that has had a much
> > more
> > > powerful - and in many ways worrisome - impact on his
> > > profession. Beyond anything else, Edward R. Murrow
> brought
> >
> > > stardom and dramatic values to the news, not the least
> of
> > > which was a stirring sense of righteous advocacy.
> > >
> > > Almost from the moment Murrow began delivering his
> > > dispatches from a Europe on the brink of war, he was no
> > > ordinary reporter. He behaved differently from other
> > > reporters. When war began, he thrust himself in the
> middle
> >
> > > of the action, holding out his microphone so that
> > listeners
> > > could hear the explosions during the London Blitz, in
> the
> > > process turning himself into a protagonist of the battle
>
> > as
> > > well as an observer of it.
> > >
> > > Murrow sounded different from other journalists, too. He
>
> > > spoke in a rich, deep baritone that added to the
> dramatic
> > > effect, and he had a trademark halting cadence that
> turned
> >
> > > reportage into poetry. He even looked different from the
>
> > > typical bedraggled reporter of "Front Page" yore. He
> wore
> > > bespoke suits and always seemed to have a steely squint
> in
> >
> > > his eye and a cigarette dangling elegantly from his lips
>
> > or
> > > tucked into the crook of his fingers. He was dark,
> > brooding,
> > > remote and irresistibly attractive to women - attributes
>
> > > more to be found in a movie star than a journalist. He
> had
> > a
> > > persona.
> > >
> > > It was no accident, then, that Murrow enjoyed an instant
>
> > > affinity with television when he moved from radio to the
>
> > new
> > > medium. Television news in its infancy didn't have
> stars;
> > it
> > > had news readers like John Cameron Swayze and Douglas
> > > Edwards sitting in the studio, and microphone-holders in
>
> > the
> > > field. Into this void, Murrow brought something for
> which
> > > television hungered: charisma. The camera loved him.
> > >
> > > People have always been loath to admit the movie-star
> > > component of Murrow's appeal or its centrality to his
> > > journalism, even when in 1953 he began a celebrity
> > interview
> > > program called "Person to Person." (He justified the
> show
> > by
> > > saying it would help him gain leeway to practice his
> real
> > > journalism.) His admirers were at pains to distinguish
> it
> > > from his more elevated news show, "See It Now." "Low
> > > Murrow," one contemporary media critic called "Person to
>
> > > Person," as opposed to "See It Now," which was "high
> > > Murrow."
> > >
> > > But the distinction may not have been as great as Murrow
>
> > > partisans wanted to think. Both low and high Murrow
> > > understood that television was a personality-driven
> > medium,
> > > and both traded in the stock of entertainment value,
> which
> >
> > > has always been the primary currency of television,
> > > including television news. Essentially, Murrow was as
> much
> >
> > > entertainer as reporter.
> > >
> > > When Murrow decided to confront McCarthy, most of his
> > > admirers fastened, as Mr. Clooney has, on his
> willingness
> > to
> > > sacrifice the pretense of objectivity for the higher
> realm
> >
> > > of truth. This was Murrow at the barricades. Yet as far
> as
> >
> > > the history of journalism was concerned, the way in
> which
> > > the confrontation was staged may have been just as, if
> not
> >
> > > more, important than the content.
> > >
> > > Murrow chose to frame himself as the hero, McCarthy as
> the
> >
> > > sinister villain (which, admittedly, wasn't too
> > difficult).
> > > But Murrow's terms were not journalistic terms. They
> were
> > > the terms of drama and film. By engaging in a showdown
> > with
> > > McCarthy, a political high noon, Murrow had converted
> news
> >
> > > into theater, not incidentally increasing its force. The
>
> > > journalist in Murrow understood this, and was apparently
>
> > > disconcerted by it; a colleague of his at CBS told
> another
> >
> > > biographer, A. M. Sperber, that "the McCarthy program
> > > bothered the hell out of him" and led him to wonder,
> "Did
> > he
> > > or anyone else have the right to use this tremendous
> power
> >
> > > to attack one man?"
> > >
> > > Of course, what made Murrow the hero of the drama was
> his
> > > sense of advocacy. He was a journalistic star in large
> > > measure because he was also a journalistic Paladin. He
> > > wasn't just reporting on McCarthy and righting the
> > senator's
> > > record of reckless distortions (other journalists had by
>
> > > then exposed the senator's exaggerations and
> > intimidation),
> > > he was righting wrongs.
> > >
> > > It was this departure from the typically timid approach
> of
> >
> > > broadcast news that made his attack on McCarthy a signal
>
> > > moment in American television journalism. "This is not
> the
> >
> > > time for those who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods to
> > keep
> > > silent - or for those who approve," Murrow intoned on
> his
> > > famous March 9, 1954, broadcast of "See It Now." "There
> is
> >
> > > no way for a citizen of a republic to abdicate his
> > > responsibility." Thus Murrow abandoned the aerie of
> > > objectivity to brandish the cudgel of righteousness.
> > >
> > > Where Murrow led, others would follow. When Walter
> > Cronkite
> > > returned from Vietnam early in 1968 and announced, in an
>
> > > analysis he himself called "speculative, personal and
> > > subjective," that the United States was "mired in a
> > > stalemate," he was clearly following the Murrow
> tradition,
> >
> > > both because he had developed his own oracular persona
> as
> > > television news's Judge Hardy and because he was willing
>
> > to
> > > editorialize.
> > >
> > > Murrow's admirers justifiably celebrate this tradition,
> > and
> > > his instincts have been affirmed by history. Mr.
> Cronkite
> > > did change the course of the war, just as CNN's Anderson
>
> > > Cooper, Fox News's Shepard Smith and others who
> challenged
> >
> > > the governmental response to Hurricane Katrina forced
> > > officials to act. But journalistic crusades can cut both
>
> > > ways. Not every news celebrity is as consistently on the
>
> > > side of the angels as Murrow was, or is as scrupulous in
>
> > > distinguishing advocacy from mere opinion-mongering,
> > > showboating and, worse, partisanship. If a line runs
> from
> > > Murrow to Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw and "Nightline," it
>
> > > also runs to Bill O'Reilly, Chris Matthews and "The
> > Barbara
> > > Walters Specials."
> > >
> > > They are all Murrow's heirs, not because they speak
> truth
> > to
> > > power or because they are guided by conscience or
> because
> > > they adhere to any high-minded principle as he did. They
>
> > are
> > > Murrow's heirs because they all demonstrate an
> > understanding
> > > that stardom matters, that news without dramatic form
> > isn't
> > > likely to survive. This may not be Edward R. Murrow's
> > > proudest legacy, but it may very well be his most
> enduring
> >
> > > one.
> > >
> > > Neal Gabler, the author of "Winchell: Gossip, Power and
> > the
> > > Culture of Celebrity," is writing a biography of Walt
> > > Disney.
> >
> > EDWARD R MURROW: A TRUE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE AMERICAN.
> GOD
> > BLESS HIM.
>
>
> Actually Ed was more complicated.
>
> A liberal or progressive at heart but also a pragmatist.
>
> He battled with William Paley often, but was also lucky to
> have Paley as a boss since Paley often allowed Murrow a long
> leash.
>
 
> Very nice piece. Thanks for sharing it.
>
> Despite what some of my more benignly snobbish news
> colleagues may believe (grin)...Murrow, Cronkite, Brinkley,
> Cooke and most of the rest of that grand lot were, if
> nothing else, very entertaining. Maybe they entertained with
> facts, but they entertained nonetheless. Winchell was
> entertaining, too...but he was also a flack.


Yep, Walter Winchell was a gossip colmunist just like Hedda Hopper and Louella Parsons.

And all three hated each other.

Many, including Jack Paar, despised Winchell -- and often for good reason.

Gabler, who wrote the op-ed piece on Murrow, penned an excellent biography on Winchell. Once Winchell hit bottom and lost his newspaper columns, he became pathetic really. He mimeographed his columns in later years and passed them out in restaurants to customers who did not know him or did not care what he had to say anymore.

Many remember Winchell simply as the narrator of the "Untouchables" with the machine-gun delivery.


> The curious thing to me is that at their height, most of
> these people thought of themselves as merely "reporters".
> Not "Journalists", with an upper-case J.
> They took their jobs very seriously; themselves, less so.
> They were on to something. No reporter caught in the check
> out line at target hears the greeting, "Hey! You're that
> journalist on channel..." They hear "Hey! You're that guy on
> TV!" The only people who call journalists "journalists"
> these days tend to be other journalists.


However, nothing wrong with the term "journalist". A journalist is simply a historian without the benefit of hindsight.

People like O'Reilley, Limbaugh, Hannity, and the like are not reporters or journalists or anything of the sort. They are commentators.

Paul Harvey is a news reader, an entertainer, but he has not been a reporter for years.

And Murrow, though it was years ago and TV was in its infancy, enjoyed the limelight.


> For further enjoyment on Murrow and his legacy, may I
> recommend "Prime Times, Bad Times" by Ed Joyce.


Another excellent book.

And I have not seen George Clooney's new movie "Good Night and Good Luck", but I hear it is excellent.


>Jody
>
> > > > October 9, 2005
> > > > Good Night, and the Good Fight
> > > > By NEAL GABLER
> > > > Amagansett, N.Y.
> > > >
> > > > EVEN now, 40 years after his death, Edward R. Murrow
> > > remains
> > > > the gold standard of American journalism - "the patron
>
> > > saint
> > > > of my profession," as the radio host Bob Edwards
> called
> > > him
> > > > in a biography last year. Murrow's vivid reports from
> > > > wartime Europe for CBS radio brought unprecedented
> > > eloquence
> > > > and immediacy to the medium. His documentaries for CBS
>
> > > > television brought an unabashedly compassionate vision
>
> > to
> > > > the dispossessed and disempowered. And his famous
> > > > confrontations with the red-baiting Senator Joseph
> > > McCarthy
> > > > on "See It Now," chronicled in George Clooney's
> > acclaimed
> > > > new film, "Good Night, and Good Luck," brought courage
>
> > and
> > >
> > > > conscience to television news. Murrow was, as a panel
> on
> >
> > > Mr.
> > > > Clooney's film at the New York Film Festival put it,
> the
> >
> > > one
> > > > mainstream journalist who dared "speak truth to
> power."
> >
> > > >
> > > > Such is Murrow's legacy that his name is often invoked
>
> > to
> > > > demonstrate the shortcomings of contemporary
> journalism,
> >
> > > > where it is almost inconceivable to imagine any TV
> > > reporter
> > > > directly challenging the powers that be, or any
> > broadcast
> > > > mogul supporting him in doing so, as CBS's William S.
> > > Paley,
> > > > albeit reluctantly, supported Murrow (which only goes
> to
> >
> > > > show that Murrow's bequest is honored more in the
> breach
> >
> > > > than in practice).
> > > >
> > > > But Murrow left another legacy, one that has had a
> much
> > > more
> > > > powerful - and in many ways worrisome - impact on his
> > > > profession. Beyond anything else, Edward R. Murrow
> > brought
> > >
> > > > stardom and dramatic values to the news, not the least
>
> > of
> > > > which was a stirring sense of righteous advocacy.
> > > >
> > > > Almost from the moment Murrow began delivering his
> > > > dispatches from a Europe on the brink of war, he was
> no
> > > > ordinary reporter. He behaved differently from other
> > > > reporters. When war began, he thrust himself in the
> > middle
> > >
> > > > of the action, holding out his microphone so that
> > > listeners
> > > > could hear the explosions during the London Blitz, in
> > the
> > > > process turning himself into a protagonist of the
> battle
> >
> > > as
> > > > well as an observer of it.
> > > >
> > > > Murrow sounded different from other journalists, too.
> He
> >
> > > > spoke in a rich, deep baritone that added to the
> > dramatic
> > > > effect, and he had a trademark halting cadence that
> > turned
> > >
> > > > reportage into poetry. He even looked different from
> the
> >
> > > > typical bedraggled reporter of "Front Page" yore. He
> > wore
> > > > bespoke suits and always seemed to have a steely
> squint
> > in
> > >
> > > > his eye and a cigarette dangling elegantly from his
> lips
> >
> > > or
> > > > tucked into the crook of his fingers. He was dark,
> > > brooding,
> > > > remote and irresistibly attractive to women -
> attributes
> >
> > > > more to be found in a movie star than a journalist. He
>
> > had
> > > a
> > > > persona.
> > > >
> > > > It was no accident, then, that Murrow enjoyed an
> instant
> >
> > > > affinity with television when he moved from radio to
> the
> >
> > > new
> > > > medium. Television news in its infancy didn't have
> > stars;
> > > it
> > > > had news readers like John Cameron Swayze and Douglas
> > > > Edwards sitting in the studio, and microphone-holders
> in
> >
> > > the
> > > > field. Into this void, Murrow brought something for
> > which
> > > > television hungered: charisma. The camera loved him.
> > > >
> > > > People have always been loath to admit the movie-star
> > > > component of Murrow's appeal or its centrality to his
> > > > journalism, even when in 1953 he began a celebrity
> > > interview
> > > > program called "Person to Person." (He justified the
> > show
> > > by
> > > > saying it would help him gain leeway to practice his
> > real
> > > > journalism.) His admirers were at pains to distinguish
>
> > it
> > > > from his more elevated news show, "See It Now." "Low
> > > > Murrow," one contemporary media critic called "Person
> to
> >
> > > > Person," as opposed to "See It Now," which was "high
> > > > Murrow."
> > > >
> > > > But the distinction may not have been as great as
> Murrow
> >
> > > > partisans wanted to think. Both low and high Murrow
> > > > understood that television was a personality-driven
> > > medium,
> > > > and both traded in the stock of entertainment value,
> > which
> > >
> > > > has always been the primary currency of television,
> > > > including television news. Essentially, Murrow was as
> > much
> > >
> > > > entertainer as reporter.
> > > >
> > > > When Murrow decided to confront McCarthy, most of his
> > > > admirers fastened, as Mr. Clooney has, on his
> > willingness
> > > to
> > > > sacrifice the pretense of objectivity for the higher
> > realm
> > >
> > > > of truth. This was Murrow at the barricades. Yet as
> far
> > as
> > >
> > > > the history of journalism was concerned, the way in
> > which
> > > > the confrontation was staged may have been just as, if
>
> > not
> > >
> > > > more, important than the content.
> > > >
> > > > Murrow chose to frame himself as the hero, McCarthy as
>
> > the
> > >
> > > > sinister villain (which, admittedly, wasn't too
> > > difficult).
> > > > But Murrow's terms were not journalistic terms. They
> > were
> > > > the terms of drama and film. By engaging in a showdown
>
> > > with
> > > > McCarthy, a political high noon, Murrow had converted
> > news
> > >
> > > > into theater, not incidentally increasing its force.
> The
> >
> > > > journalist in Murrow understood this, and was
> apparently
> >
> > > > disconcerted by it; a colleague of his at CBS told
> > another
> > >
> > > > biographer, A. M. Sperber, that "the McCarthy program
> > > > bothered the hell out of him" and led him to wonder,
> > "Did
> > > he
> > > > or anyone else have the right to use this tremendous
> > power
> > >
> > > > to attack one man?"
> > > >
> > > > Of course, what made Murrow the hero of the drama was
> > his
> > > > sense of advocacy. He was a journalistic star in large
>
> > > > measure because he was also a journalistic Paladin. He
>
> > > > wasn't just reporting on McCarthy and righting the
> > > senator's
> > > > record of reckless distortions (other journalists had
> by
> >
> > > > then exposed the senator's exaggerations and
> > > intimidation),
> > > > he was righting wrongs.
> > > >
> > > > It was this departure from the typically timid
> approach
> > of
> > >
> > > > broadcast news that made his attack on McCarthy a
> signal
> >
> > > > moment in American television journalism. "This is not
>
> > the
> > >
> > > > time for those who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods
> to
> > > keep
> > > > silent - or for those who approve," Murrow intoned on
> > his
> > > > famous March 9, 1954, broadcast of "See It Now."
> "There
> > is
> > >
> > > > no way for a citizen of a republic to abdicate his
> > > > responsibility." Thus Murrow abandoned the aerie of
> > > > objectivity to brandish the cudgel of righteousness.
> > > >
> > > > Where Murrow led, others would follow. When Walter
> > > Cronkite
> > > > returned from Vietnam early in 1968 and announced, in
> an
> >
> > > > analysis he himself called "speculative, personal and
> > > > subjective," that the United States was "mired in a
> > > > stalemate," he was clearly following the Murrow
> > tradition,
> > >
> > > > both because he had developed his own oracular persona
>
> > as
> > > > television news's Judge Hardy and because he was
> willing
> >
> > > to
> > > > editorialize.
> > > >
> > > > Murrow's admirers justifiably celebrate this
> tradition,
> > > and
> > > > his instincts have been affirmed by history. Mr.
> > Cronkite
> > > > did change the course of the war, just as CNN's
> Anderson
> >
> > > > Cooper, Fox News's Shepard Smith and others who
> > challenged
> > >
> > > > the governmental response to Hurricane Katrina forced
> > > > officials to act. But journalistic crusades can cut
> both
> >
> > > > ways. Not every news celebrity is as consistently on
> the
> >
> > > > side of the angels as Murrow was, or is as scrupulous
> in
> >
> > > > distinguishing advocacy from mere opinion-mongering,
> > > > showboating and, worse, partisanship. If a line runs
> > from
> > > > Murrow to Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw and "Nightline,"
> it
> >
> > > > also runs to Bill O'Reilly, Chris Matthews and "The
> > > Barbara
> > > > Walters Specials."
> > > >
> > > > They are all Murrow's heirs, not because they speak
> > truth
> > > to
> > > > power or because they are guided by conscience or
> > because
> > > > they adhere to any high-minded principle as he did.
> They
> >
> > > are
> > > > Murrow's heirs because they all demonstrate an
> > > understanding
> > > > that stardom matters, that news without dramatic form
> > > isn't
> > > > likely to survive. This may not be Edward R. Murrow's
> > > > proudest legacy, but it may very well be his most
> > enduring
> > >
> > > > one.
> > > >
> > > > Neal Gabler, the author of "Winchell: Gossip, Power
> and
> > > the
> > > > Culture of Celebrity," is writing a biography of Walt
> > > > Disney.
> > >
> > > EDWARD R MURROW: A TRUE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE AMERICAN.
> > GOD
> > > BLESS HIM.
> >
> >
> > Actually Ed was more complicated.
> >
> > A liberal or progressive at heart but also a pragmatist.
> >
> > He battled with William Paley often, but was also lucky to
>
> > have Paley as a boss since Paley often allowed Murrow a
> long
> > leash.
> >
>
 
>
> The curious thing to me is that at their height, most of
> these people thought of themselves as merely "reporters".
> Not "Journalists", with an upper-case J.

Jody- best compliment I ever got was a print journalist who called me a 'Real Newsman' (he nominated me for the SPJ board, which was another compliment).
The worst insult was the state senator who called to complain about a story I did, and opened up with "...I know you don't write the stories you read..."
 
> Very nice piece. Thanks for sharing it.
>
> Despite what some of my more benignly snobbish news
> colleagues may believe (grin)...Murrow, Cronkite, Brinkley,
> Cooke and most of the rest of that grand lot were, if
> nothing else, very entertaining. Maybe they entertained with
> facts, but they entertained nonetheless. Winchell was
> entertaining, too...but he was also a flack.
>
> The curious thing to me is that at their height, most of
> these people thought of themselves as merely "reporters".
> Not "Journalists", with an upper-case J.
> They took their jobs very seriously; themselves, less so.
> They were on to something. No reporter caught in the check
> out line at target hears the greeting, "Hey! You're that
> journalist on channel..." They hear "Hey! You're that guy on
> TV!" The only people who call journalists "journalists"
> these days tend to be other journalists.
>
> For further enjoyment on Murrow and his legacy, may I
> recommend "Prime Times, Bad Times" by Ed Joyce.
>
> Jody
>
> > > > October 9, 2005
> > > > Good Night, and the Good Fight
> > > > By NEAL GABLER
> > > > Amagansett, N.Y.
> > > >
> > > > EVEN now, 40 years after his death, Edward R. Murrow
> > > remains
> > > > the gold standard of American journalism - "the patron
>
> > > saint
> > > > of my profession," as the radio host Bob Edwards
> called
> > > him
> > > > in a biography last year. Murrow's vivid reports from
> > > > wartime Europe for CBS radio brought unprecedented
> > > eloquence
> > > > and immediacy to the medium. His documentaries for CBS
>
> > > > television brought an unabashedly compassionate vision
>
> > to
> > > > the dispossessed and disempowered. And his famous
> > > > confrontations with the red-baiting Senator Joseph
> > > McCarthy
> > > > on "See It Now," chronicled in George Clooney's
> > acclaimed
> > > > new film, "Good Night, and Good Luck," brought courage
>
> > and
> > >
> > > > conscience to television news. Murrow was, as a panel
> on
> >
> > > Mr.
> > > > Clooney's film at the New York Film Festival put it,
> the
> >
> > > one
> > > > mainstream journalist who dared "speak truth to
> power."
> >
> > > >
> > > > Such is Murrow's legacy that his name is often invoked
>
> > to
> > > > demonstrate the shortcomings of contemporary
> journalism,
> >
> > > > where it is almost inconceivable to imagine any TV
> > > reporter
> > > > directly challenging the powers that be, or any
> > broadcast
> > > > mogul supporting him in doing so, as CBS's William S.
> > > Paley,
> > > > albeit reluctantly, supported Murrow (which only goes
> to
> >
> > > > show that Murrow's bequest is honored more in the
> breach
> >
> > > > than in practice).
> > > >
> > > > But Murrow left another legacy, one that has had a
> much
> > > more
> > > > powerful - and in many ways worrisome - impact on his
> > > > profession. Beyond anything else, Edward R. Murrow
> > brought
> > >
> > > > stardom and dramatic values to the news, not the least
>
> > of
> > > > which was a stirring sense of righteous advocacy.
> > > >
> > > > Almost from the moment Murrow began delivering his
> > > > dispatches from a Europe on the brink of war, he was
> no
> > > > ordinary reporter. He behaved differently from other
> > > > reporters. When war began, he thrust himself in the
> > middle
> > >
> > > > of the action, holding out his microphone so that
> > > listeners
> > > > could hear the explosions during the London Blitz, in
> > the
> > > > process turning himself into a protagonist of the
> battle
> >
> > > as
> > > > well as an observer of it.
> > > >
> > > > Murrow sounded different from other journalists, too.
> He
> >
> > > > spoke in a rich, deep baritone that added to the
> > dramatic
> > > > effect, and he had a trademark halting cadence that
> > turned
> > >
> > > > reportage into poetry. He even looked different from
> the
> >
> > > > typical bedraggled reporter of "Front Page" yore. He
> > wore
> > > > bespoke suits and always seemed to have a steely
> squint
> > in
> > >
> > > > his eye and a cigarette dangling elegantly from his
> lips
> >
> > > or
> > > > tucked into the crook of his fingers. He was dark,
> > > brooding,
> > > > remote and irresistibly attractive to women -
> attributes
> >
> > > > more to be found in a movie star than a journalist. He
>
> > had
> > > a
> > > > persona.
> > > >
> > > > It was no accident, then, that Murrow enjoyed an
> instant
> >
> > > > affinity with television when he moved from radio to
> the
> >
> > > new
> > > > medium. Television news in its infancy didn't have
> > stars;
> > > it
> > > > had news readers like John Cameron Swayze and Douglas
> > > > Edwards sitting in the studio, and microphone-holders
> in
> >
> > > the
> > > > field. Into this void, Murrow brought something for
> > which
> > > > television hungered: charisma. The camera loved him.
> > > >
> > > > People have always been loath to admit the movie-star
> > > > component of Murrow's appeal or its centrality to his
> > > > journalism, even when in 1953 he began a celebrity
> > > interview
> > > > program called "Person to Person." (He justified the
> > show
> > > by
> > > > saying it would help him gain leeway to practice his
> > real
> > > > journalism.) His admirers were at pains to distinguish
>
> > it
> > > > from his more elevated news show, "See It Now." "Low
> > > > Murrow," one contemporary media critic called "Person
> to
> >
> > > > Person," as opposed to "See It Now," which was "high
> > > > Murrow."
> > > >
> > > > But the distinction may not have been as great as
> Murrow
> >
> > > > partisans wanted to think. Both low and high Murrow
> > > > understood that television was a personality-driven
> > > medium,
> > > > and both traded in the stock of entertainment value,
> > which
> > >
> > > > has always been the primary currency of television,
> > > > including television news. Essentially, Murrow was as
> > much
> > >
> > > > entertainer as reporter.
> > > >
> > > > When Murrow decided to confront McCarthy, most of his
> > > > admirers fastened, as Mr. Clooney has, on his
> > willingness
> > > to
> > > > sacrifice the pretense of objectivity for the higher
> > realm
> > >
> > > > of truth. This was Murrow at the barricades. Yet as
> far
> > as
> > >
> > > > the history of journalism was concerned, the way in
> > which
> > > > the confrontation was staged may have been just as, if
>
> > not
> > >
> > > > more, important than the content.
> > > >
> > > > Murrow chose to frame himself as the hero, McCarthy as
>
> > the
> > >
> > > > sinister villain (which, admittedly, wasn't too
> > > difficult).
> > > > But Murrow's terms were not journalistic terms. They
> > were
> > > > the terms of drama and film. By engaging in a showdown
>
> > > with
> > > > McCarthy, a political high noon, Murrow had converted
> > news
> > >
> > > > into theater, not incidentally increasing its force.
> The
> >
> > > > journalist in Murrow understood this, and was
> apparently
> >
> > > > disconcerted by it; a colleague of his at CBS told
> > another
> > >
> > > > biographer, A. M. Sperber, that "the McCarthy program
> > > > bothered the hell out of him" and led him to wonder,
> > "Did
> > > he
> > > > or anyone else have the right to use this tremendous
> > power
> > >
> > > > to attack one man?"
> > > >
> > > > Of course, what made Murrow the hero of the drama was
> > his
> > > > sense of advocacy. He was a journalistic star in large
>
> > > > measure because he was also a journalistic Paladin. He
>
> > > > wasn't just reporting on McCarthy and righting the
> > > senator's
> > > > record of reckless distortions (other journalists had
> by
> >
> > > > then exposed the senator's exaggerations and
> > > intimidation),
> > > > he was righting wrongs.
> > > >
> > > > It was this departure from the typically timid
> approach
> > of
> > >
> > > > broadcast news that made his attack on McCarthy a
> signal
> >
> > > > moment in American television journalism. "This is not
>
> > the
> > >
> > > > time for those who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods
> to
> > > keep
> > > > silent - or for those who approve," Murrow intoned on
> > his
> > > > famous March 9, 1954, broadcast of "See It Now."
> "There
> > is
> > >
> > > > no way for a citizen of a republic to abdicate his
> > > > responsibility." Thus Murrow abandoned the aerie of
> > > > objectivity to brandish the cudgel of righteousness.
> > > >
> > > > Where Murrow led, others would follow. When Walter
> > > Cronkite
> > > > returned from Vietnam early in 1968 and announced, in
> an
> >
> > > > analysis he himself called "speculative, personal and
> > > > subjective," that the United States was "mired in a
> > > > stalemate," he was clearly following the Murrow
> > tradition,
> > >
> > > > both because he had developed his own oracular persona
>
> > as
> > > > television news's Judge Hardy and because he was
> willing
> >
> > > to
> > > > editorialize.
> > > >
> > > > Murrow's admirers justifiably celebrate this
> tradition,
> > > and
> > > > his instincts have been affirmed by history. Mr.
> > Cronkite
> > > > did change the course of the war, just as CNN's
> Anderson
> >
> > > > Cooper, Fox News's Shepard Smith and others who
> > challenged
> > >
> > > > the governmental response to Hurricane Katrina forced
> > > > officials to act. But journalistic crusades can cut
> both
> >
> > > > ways. Not every news celebrity is as consistently on
> the
> >
> > > > side of the angels as Murrow was, or is as scrupulous
> in
> >
> > > > distinguishing advocacy from mere opinion-mongering,
> > > > showboating and, worse, partisanship. If a line runs
> > from
> > > > Murrow to Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw and "Nightline,"
> it
> >
> > > > also runs to Bill O'Reilly, Chris Matthews and "The
> > > Barbara
> > > > Walters Specials."
> > > >
> > > > They are all Murrow's heirs, not because they speak
> > truth
> > > to
> > > > power or because they are guided by conscience or
> > because
> > > > they adhere to any high-minded principle as he did.
> They
> >
> > > are
> > > > Murrow's heirs because they all demonstrate an
> > > understanding
> > > > that stardom matters, that news without dramatic form
> > > isn't
> > > > likely to survive. This may not be Edward R. Murrow's
> > > > proudest legacy, but it may very well be his most
> > enduring
> > >
> > > > one.
> > > >
> > > > Neal Gabler, the author of "Winchell: Gossip, Power
> and
> > > the
> > > > Culture of Celebrity," is writing a biography of Walt
> > > > Disney.
> > >
> > > EDWARD R MURROW: A TRUE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE AMERICAN.
> > GOD
> > > BLESS HIM.
> >
> >
> > Actually Ed was more complicated.
> >
> > A liberal or progressive at heart but also a pragmatist.
> >
> > He battled with William Paley often, but was also lucky to
>
> > have Paley as a boss since Paley often allowed Murrow a
> long
> > leash.

I once believed Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather were the most trusted men in America until i got educated about politics. I used to be a Democrat years ago but since the Left Wing Radicals hijacked the Democratic Party I now consider myself a moderate Conservative. Recently have been a Republican but been leaning Independent. Hell i'm just tired of the extreme taking over everything!! Seems ALL politicians are the same.

PS: Jody: Loved your interview with Yoko Ono!!
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
The early bird may get the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese :)</P>
 
> > Very nice piece.
>
> PS: Jody: Loved your interview with Yoko Ono!!

Jim;
Welcome to the board.
It'd be easier to read the post if you delete most of the previous one, especially one so long.
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> PS: Jody: Loved your interview with Yoko Ono!!


Yeah, any interview with the lovely Yoko Ono is a rare treat :).

Like hitting your head with a hammer ...

It feels so good when it stops.
 
The StarzMovie Channel TRUE Stories is going to show the Daniel J.Travanti "Edward R Murrow" movie that HBO produced 10 years ago in November. Edward R Murrow was no doubt a journalist and as Televison came alive he migrated to being an entertainer,but thankfully in 1960 he was a solid journalist once more.
 
Re: TV people, reporters & journalists

For fear of making too broad a statement, let me amplify something grantchester rightly alluded to in his previous post.

T'ain't nothing wrong with being a journalist. It's just that there are so few reporters who genuinely qualify. Maybe the moment to seperate themselves from the pack hasn't come. Maybe they're content where they are are. I don't know. What I do know is that there are plenty of folks who are perfectly willing to simply look good and read well on camera (or at the mic). In DFW, I think we have an abundance of talented reporters, anchors, and so forth who aspire to a higher level of professionalism...and it shows.
On the other hand, just being in the news business does not a journalist make - even if alot of us want to apply the label.

To me - and this is just personal opinion - a true journalist is willing to ride a story as long as it takes, sometimes for years, in order to report truth. They take risks, but not for personal glory or aggrandizement. And most of the best of them frequently labor in relative anonimity. If face time does come, the best of the best don't let it go to their heads. And perhaps most importantly, they are willing to report the facts even if the truth flies in the face of their own personal convictions or politics.

One current example of that kind of ethic: Nate Thayer. Most folks have never heard his name, but Thayer spent years alone in Cambodia at great personal risk tracking down Pol Pot...and the Torquemada of the Khmer Rouge, Kang kek Leu. Thayer wound up interviewing both in exile, and the information from those interviews cast a great deal of light on what makes despots like that tick. Not a very sexy story, but totally necessary to the human condition. Another great story is that of Jack Hines, who was got interviews with associates of Patty Hearst's kidnappers when the FBI was still thumbing through the phone book. I don't mean this to sound as dismissive as it will, but that's a few notches above standing on an overpass during icy weather reporting bad road conditions.

We've all had to turn nuts & bolts stories, but the ones that really count toward making a "journalist" usually can't be turned for the live hit at 5 - and they have little to do with turning to the right camera or how your hair looks.

And I'm with you, grantchester. It ain't PC, but it's hard to think of higher praise than to be called a "real newsman".

JD






> The StarzMovie Channel TRUE Stories is going to show the
> Daniel J.Travanti "Edward R Murrow" movie that HBO produced
> 10 years ago in November. Edward R Murrow was no doubt a
> journalist and as Televison came alive he migrated to being
> an entertainer,but thankfully in 1960 he was a solid
> journalist once more.
>
 
Journalist or reporters, Nate Thayer v. Jack Hines, Patty Hearst ...

Most important and investigative stories are broken by print reporters -- time and again.

Just look at the major news stories of the 20th century and decide for yourself.

Generally, broadcast reporters follow print reporters around like sheep.

Broadcast reporters scan the newspapers for their often reworked and hashed-over stories.

I never saw a newspaper or wire service reporter listen to radio or watch television at work for a story idea except during breaking events.

Well, maybe the entertainment reporters.

In partial defense, broadcast facilities are not staffed as well as newspapers, wire services and magazines.

But for the most part, a print reporter is more enterprising individually than the broadcast "journalist" -- and most are better trained to report.

That's not to say a print reporter would not like to win a Pulitzer. But because of the nature of print reporting, they are not caught up in the glamour like their broadcast counterparts.

And, I know some will argue, but a degree in broadcasting -- or journalism -- teaches you little about how to become a reporter -- only experience can do that.

But a journalism degree is more helpful to a reporter than a broadcasting degree.


> For fear of making too broad a statement, let me amplify
> something grantchester rightly alluded to in his previous
> post.
>
> T'ain't nothing wrong with being a journalist. It's just
> that there are so few reporters who genuinely qualify. Maybe
> the moment to seperate themselves from the pack hasn't come.
> Maybe they're content where they are are. I don't know. What
> I do know is that there are plenty of folks who are
> perfectly willing to simply look good and read well on
> camera (or at the mic). In DFW, I think we have an abundance
> of talented reporters, anchors, and so forth who aspire to a
> higher level of professionalism...and it shows.
> On the other hand, just being in the news business does not
> a journalist make - even if alot of us want to apply the
> label.


And obviously, print reporters aren't worried about how they look on camera ... or elsewhere. Look at them ... especially male print reporters.

Often unkept, mismatched and cheap clothing, etc.

Most print reporters care more about their stories and less about how they look.


> Just personal opinion - a true
> journalist is willing to ride a story as long as it takes,
> sometimes for years, in order to report truth. They take
> risks, but not for personal glory or aggrandizement. And
> most of the best of them frequently labor in relative
> anonimity. If face time does come, the best of the best
> don't let it go to their heads. And perhaps most
> importantly, they are willing to report the facts even if
> the truth flies in the face of their own personal
> convictions or politics.
>
> One current example of that kind of ethic: Nate Thayer. Most
> folks have never heard his name, but Thayer spent years
> alone in Cambodia at great personal risk tracking down Pol
> Pot...and the Torquemada of the Khmer Rouge, Kang kek Leu.
> Thayer wound up interviewing both in exile, and the
> information from those interviews cast a great deal of light
> on what makes despots like that tick. Not a very sexy story,
> but totally necessary to the human condition. Another great
> story is that of Jack Hines, who was got interviews with
> associates of Patty Hearst's kidnappers when the FBI was
> still thumbing through the phone book. I don't mean this to
> sound as dismissive as it will, but that's a few notches
> above standing on an overpass during icy weather reporting
> bad road conditions.


Absolutely, but to compare Thayer's reporting to Hines' is ludicrous.

Hines is a fine radio anchorman to be sure.

And you are close to him, I guess.

But if you are attempting to imply that KFRC or Hines broke or even had a small part in breaking the Patty Hearst case, then you overstating their importance.

And to say the FBI was "thumbing through the phone book" is just silly and an insult to the San Francisco agents as well as scores of other FBI employees across the nation at that time.

FBI Agent-in-Charge Charles Bates was often a publicity hound certainly.

But the Hearst kidnapping was an enormously difficult case to crack. In desperation, the Hearst family even called on mobster Mickey Cohen to try to contact members of the SLA.

But Hearst was captured, tried and convicted -- and later pardoned by President Carter.


> We've all had to turn nuts & bolts stories, but the ones
> that really count toward making a "journalist" usually can't
> be turned for the live hit at 5 - and they have little to do
> with turning to the right camera or how your hair looks.
>
> And I'm with you, grantchester. It ain't PC, but it's hard
> to think of higher praise than to be called a "real
> newsman".
>
> JD
 
Re: Journalist or reporters, Nate Thayer v. Jack Hines, Patty Hearst ...

>
> Generally, broadcast reporters follow print reporters around
> like sheep.
>
> Broadcast reporters scan the newspapers for their often
> reworked and hashed-over stories.
>
> I never saw a newspaper or wire service reporter listen to
> radio or watch television at work for a story idea except
> during breaking events.
>
>
Gosh, Bats, I guess I'll just give up.
Newspaper reporters usually turn one story a week.
TV reporters do one story a day.
Radio reporters do 4 stories a day.
As far as enterprising stories, don't tell Brett Shipp he got the fake drug scandal out of the paper. And I don't recall reading about that reunion/parking lot swap story Sarah Dodd had last night.
There are still one-man shop radio newsrooms that cover their markets and serve their listeners, especially in small towns that have only weekly newspapers.
My most fulfilling work was done as a one-man news department. Sure, you have to follow the wires and the papers, but that doesn't mean there aren't broadcast JOURNALISTS out there, plying their trades.
And I recall getting called by the wire service for stories the stations I've worked for have broken. I recall having newspaper reporters ask me about stories I've reported, or asked to listen to interviews I've recorded.
There are some hacks out there, but not every one.
ps- thanks for the kind words Jody.
 
Re: TV people, reporters & journalists

> For fear of making too broad a statement, let me amplify
> something grantchester rightly alluded to in his previous
> post.
>
> T'ain't nothing wrong with being a journalist. It's just
> that there are so few reporters who genuinely qualify. Maybe
> the moment to seperate themselves from the pack hasn't come.
> Maybe they're content where they are are. I don't know. What
> I do know is that there are plenty of folks who are
> perfectly willing to simply look good and read well on
> camera (or at the mic). In DFW, I think we have an abundance
> of talented reporters, anchors, and so forth who aspire to a
> higher level of professionalism...and it shows.
> On the other hand, just being in the news business does not
> a journalist make - even if alot of us want to apply the
> label.
>
> To me - and this is just personal opinion - a true
> journalist is willing to ride a story as long as it takes,
> sometimes for years, in order to report truth. They take
> risks, but not for personal glory or aggrandizement. And
> most of the best of them frequently labor in relative
> anonimity. If face time does come, the best of the best
> don't let it go to their heads. And perhaps most
> importantly, they are willing to report the facts even if
> the truth flies in the face of their own personal
> convictions or politics.
>
> One current example of that kind of ethic: Nate Thayer. Most
> folks have never heard his name, but Thayer spent years
> alone in Cambodia at great personal risk tracking down Pol
> Pot...and the Torquemada of the Khmer Rouge, Kang kek Leu.
> Thayer wound up interviewing both in exile, and the
> information from those interviews cast a great deal of light
> on what makes despots like that tick. Not a very sexy story,
> but totally necessary to the human condition. Another great
> story is that of Jack Hines, who was got interviews with
> associates of Patty Hearst's kidnappers when the FBI was
> still thumbing through the phone book. I don't mean this to
> sound as dismissive as it will, but that's a few notches
> above standing on an overpass during icy weather reporting
> bad road conditions.
>
> We've all had to turn nuts & bolts stories, but the ones
> that really count toward making a "journalist" usually can't
> be turned for the live hit at 5 - and they have little to do
> with turning to the right camera or how your hair looks.
>
> And I'm with you, grantchester. It ain't PC, but it's hard
> to think of higher praise than to be called a "real
> newsman".
>
> JD
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > The StarzMovie Channel TRUE Stories is going to show the
> > Daniel J.Travanti "Edward R Murrow" movie that HBO
> produced
> > 10 years ago in November. Edward R Murrow was no doubt a
> > journalist and as Televison came alive he migrated to
> being
> > an entertainer,but thankfully in 1960 he was a solid
> > journalist once more.
> >
>
Well said Jody. Grant Chester is a well spoken Journalist in every sense of the tradition. It's too bad for Televison that the "eye candy" rule dominates over being a news reporter. FOX 4 is notorious for that.
 
Broadcast vs. print reporting

> > Generally, broadcast reporters follow print reporters
> around
> > like sheep.
> >
> > Broadcast reporters scan the newspapers for their often
> > reworked and hashed-over stories.
> >
> > I never saw a newspaper or wire service reporter listen to
>
> > radio or watch television at work for a story idea except
> > during breaking events.
> >
> >
> Gosh, Bats, I guess I'll just give up.


Gosh, Grant, don't do that :).

But I must admit I get tired of "The Dallas Morning News" or the "Fort Worth Star-Telegram" on KRLD, WBAP, KLIF, KSKY, etc., when many of those stories in the newspapers on THAT day could have been on the radio the day before.

The worst: I have seen people at traffic reporting services who anchored news for area stations literally read the stories out of the paper without any or much editing at all.

One guy cut the stories from the newspapers and pasted them to sheets of typing paper.

That was his "script".

So he read stories with attribution, "police said", at the END of stories because he was reading the newspaper word for word.

That is my point. I am not talking about you.


> Newspaper reporters usually turn one story a week.


Nope -- EXCEPT, if the stories are exceptional, investigative in nature, require extensive research, etc.

In college, I worked for a metropolitan newspaper as a part-time reporter 20 to 30 hours a week. I wrote at least three stories a week while attending school and also working at a radio station.

When I first was hired at United Press International in 1982, I asked the bureau chief what the deadlines were at UPI.

He look at me and said seriously, "Every minute." With the limited staff UPI always had compared to AP, we worked extremely hard -- broadcast and wire service.

Trying to juggle high school football scores for the entire state, write print stories for the newspapers and hourly news summaries for radio and TV was no picnic not to mention trying to dig up stories of your own.

But I loved it. Wire service work is fast paced -- hyperactive -- like I am.


> TV reporters do one story a day.


Yes, and many are so easy to do, just like newspaper stories, that a kid on the yearbook staff in high school could report and write.

But these days, you usually have to look like a Ken or Barbie clone to get that kind of work -- no matter what kind of reporter you are.

And I understand. News directors know that viewers want to see good-looking people.

The point is looks and voice quality count as much or more than reporting skills in broadcasting.

I'll concede that voice quality in radio is probably not as important as it was years ago.

However, in television, looks seem MORE important than 45 to 50 years ago.

But explain to me how looks and voice aid a reporter in his or her ability to impart information.


> Radio reporters do 4 stories a day.


Depends on how you define "stories" Grant.


> As far as enterprising stories, don't tell Brett Shipp he
> got the fake drug scandal out of the paper.


I didn't, Grant.

You are trying to imply something that I never said about Brett Shipp.

Shipp is a good, maybe a great reporter. I don't know him. He seems to work hard. He does investigative-type reporting.

I have seen some stories he broadcast where he pulled out the "Mike Wallace, Becky Oliver-ambush, I gotcha" style which I think is done more for entertainment purposes than for news value. Maybe sometimes that is the only way a story can be told.

But Oliver does it all the time.

TV is entertainment too.

And a reporter gets a charge out of that. I could not wait to confront someone if I had them cold. It is human nature.

And some investigative reporters -- print and broadcast -- have a prosecutorial tone in their reporting which I find repugnant. Reporters are not law enforcement agencies or district attorneys.


> And I don't recall reading about that reunion/parking lot swap story
> Sarah Dodd had last night.


How do you know she had it first? Not saying that she didn't, but we don't know ... or I don't.

Newspapers often know about a story but cannot get it into print before another media breaks it first because a newspaper "goes to bed" in the early hours of the morning.

Do you think Bob Woodward wanted another outlet to break "Deep Throat's" identity before the Post? The paper simply could not react fast enough.

In addition, Woodward wanted to be certain that Felt was competent when he decided to reveal that he was "Deep Throat".


> There are still one-man shop radio newsrooms that cover
> their markets and serve their listeners, especially in small
> towns that have only weekly newspapers.


Yes, I agree and commend them. Those reporters are underpaid. But fewer and fewer of those stations exist.


> My most fulfilling work was done as a one-man news
> department. Sure, you have to follow the wires and the
> papers, but that doesn't mean there aren't broadcast
> JOURNALISTS out there, plying their trades.


I never said otherwise. I simply said having worked for newspapers, a wire service, in radio, in politics and public relations, that print reporters in general are more enterprising than broadcast reporters.

You certainly know some anchors and reporters that depend more on their looks and their voices than their reporting skills.

It is a fact you cannot escape.


> And I recall getting called by the wire service for stories
> the stations I've worked for have broken.


Yes, that happens all the time. A wire service never stops grinding out stories. AP, Reuters and in the past, UPI, needs reporters like yourself or it could not provide the service it does.

A five-man bureau cannot cover an entire state as is often the case.


>I recall having newspaper reporters ask me about stories I've reported, or
> asked to listen to interviews I've recorded.


Absolutely, because you are a good reporter, they knew it and thought you had information they did not have.

And I often wondered why more print reporters in the past did not carry recorders with them as backup or protection against "I was misquoted" or it was "taken out of context".

Reporters do not pick the brains of a "TV Pretty Boy Floyd" unless Floyd is a reporter and not just a talking head.


> There are some hacks out there, but not every one.


And I never said every reporter in broadcast was a hack.

But you know what passes for news at some stations these days and at the traffic reporting services.

It is PATHETIC.

Good debate Grant.

Thanks.
 
Re: Degrees...

> > > Generally, broadcast reporters follow print reporters
> > around
> > > like sheep.
> > >
> > > Broadcast reporters scan the newspapers for their often
> > > reworked and hashed-over stories.
> > >
> > > I never saw a newspaper or wire service reporter listen
> to
> >
> > > radio or watch television at work for a story idea
> except
> > > during breaking events.
> > >
> > >
> > Gosh, Bats, I guess I'll just give up.
>
>
> Gosh, Grant, don't do that :).
>
> But I must admit I get tired of "The Dallas Morning News" or
> the "Fort Worth Star-Telegram" on KRLD, WBAP, KLIF, KSKY,
> etc., when many of those stories in the newspapers on THAT
> day could have been on the radio the day before.
>
> The worst: I have seen people at traffic reporting services
> who anchored news for area stations literally read the
> stories out of the paper without any or much editing at all.
>
>
> One guy cut the stories from the newspapers and pasted them
> to sheets of typing paper.
>
> That was his "script".
>
> So he read stories with attribution, "police said", at the
> END of stories because he was reading the newspaper word for
> word.
>
> That is my point. I am not talking about you.
>
>
> > Newspaper reporters usually turn one story a week.
>
>
> Nope -- EXCEPT, if the stories are exceptional,
> investigative in nature, require extensive research, etc.
>
> In college, I worked for a metropolitan newspaper as a
> part-time reporter 20 to 30 hours a week. I wrote at least
> three stories a week while attending school and also working
> at a radio station.
>
> When I first was hired at United Press International in
> 1982, I asked the bureau chief what the deadlines were at
> UPI.
>
> He look at me and said seriously, "Every minute." With the
> limited staff UPI always had compared to AP, we worked
> extremely hard -- broadcast and wire service.
>
> Trying to juggle high school football scores for the entire
> state, write print stories for the newspapers and hourly
> news summaries for radio and TV was no picnic not to mention
> trying to dig up stories of your own.
>
> But I loved it. Wire service work is fast paced --
> hyperactive -- like I am.
>
>
> > TV reporters do one story a day.
>
>
> Yes, and many are so easy to do, just like newspaper
> stories, that a kid on the yearbook staff in high school
> could report and write.
>
> But these days, you usually have to look like a Ken or
> Barbie clone to get that kind of work -- no matter what kind
> of reporter you are.
>
> And I understand. News directors know that viewers want to
> see good-looking people.
>
> The point is looks and voice quality count as much or more
> than reporting skills in broadcasting.
>
> I'll concede that voice quality in radio is probably not as
> important as it was years ago.
>
> However, in television, looks seem MORE important than 45 to
> 50 years ago.
>
> But explain to me how looks and voice aid a reporter in his
> or her ability to impart information.
>
>
> > Radio reporters do 4 stories a day.
>
>
> Depends on how you define "stories" Grant.
>
>
> > As far as enterprising stories, don't tell Brett Shipp he
> > got the fake drug scandal out of the paper.
>
>
> I didn't, Grant.
>
> You are trying to imply something that I never said about
> Brett Shipp.
>
> Shipp is a good, maybe a great reporter. I don't know him.
> He seems to work hard. He does investigative-type
> reporting.
>
> I have seen some stories he broadcast where he pulled out
> the "Mike Wallace, Becky Oliver-ambush, I gotcha" style
> which I think is done more for entertainment purposes than
> for news value. Maybe sometimes that is the only way a
> story can be told.
>
> But Oliver does it all the time.
>
> TV is entertainment too.
>
> And a reporter gets a charge out of that. I could not wait
> to confront someone if I had them cold. It is human nature.
>
>
> And some investigative reporters -- print and broadcast --
> have a prosecutorial tone in their reporting which I find
> repugnant. Reporters are not law enforcement agencies or
> district attorneys.
>
>
> > And I don't recall reading about that reunion/parking lot
> swap story
> > Sarah Dodd had last night.
>
>
> How do you know she had it first? Not saying that she
> didn't, but we don't know ... or I don't.
>
> Newspapers often know about a story but cannot get it into
> print before another media breaks it first because a
> newspaper "goes to bed" in the early hours of the morning.
>
> Do you think Bob Woodward wanted another outlet to break
> "Deep Throat's" identity before the Post? The paper simply
> could not react fast enough.
>
> In addition, Woodward wanted to be certain that Felt was
> competent when he decided to reveal that he was "Deep
> Throat".
>
>
> > There are still one-man shop radio newsrooms that cover
> > their markets and serve their listeners, especially in
> small
> > towns that have only weekly newspapers.
>
>
> Yes, I agree and commend them. Those reporters are
> underpaid. But fewer and fewer of those stations exist.
>
>
> > My most fulfilling work was done as a one-man news
> > department. Sure, you have to follow the wires and the
> > papers, but that doesn't mean there aren't broadcast
> > JOURNALISTS out there, plying their trades.
>
>
> I never said otherwise. I simply said having worked for
> newspapers, a wire service, in radio, in politics and public
> relations, that print reporters in general are more
> enterprising than broadcast reporters.
>
> You certainly know some anchors and reporters that depend
> more on their looks and their voices than their reporting
> skills.
>
> It is a fact you cannot escape.
>
>
> > And I recall getting called by the wire service for
> stories
> > the stations I've worked for have broken.
>
>
> Yes, that happens all the time. A wire service never stops
> grinding out stories. AP, Reuters and in the past, UPI,
> needs reporters like yourself or it could not provide the
> service it does.
>
> A five-man bureau cannot cover an entire state as is often
> the case.
>
>
> >I recall having newspaper reporters ask me about stories
> I've reported, or
> > asked to listen to interviews I've recorded.
>
>
> Absolutely, because you are a good reporter, they knew it
> and thought you had information they did not have.
>
> And I often wondered why more print reporters in the past
> did not carry recorders with them as backup or protection
> against "I was misquoted" or it was "taken out of context".
>
The observation that specific degrees arn't always the magic ticket is dead on. If memory serves, Peter Jennings dropped out of high school...and is a pretty good example of a modern broadcast journalist. The man couldn't pass a street vendor without getting his story. Not to compare myself with Peter at all, but I never earned a degree of any kind...and barely made it out of high school. Much better broadcasters than I can say the same thing.

On the other hand, there are plenty of academically lauded anchors, reporters, and producers who have no idea of the difference between a tax cut and a cut in the tax rate. More than a few want to illustrate the depth of their knowledge by the length of their questions...rather than fire brief, probing inquiries to get long, revealing answers. If it's not on the wires or the afternoon feeds, it doesn't exist. No story can make air without sound or pictures. I mean, we just gotta have pictures, don't we? Get some wallpaper video, NOW! Must. Have. Pictures.

Well, not if the writing is good. And everything starts with the word.

Experience is the key, but I think intrinsic curiousity and a plain ol' passionate fascination with life goes a long way, too. Good journalists don't just feed the monster. They think. They observe. They embrace. They dive in.

The cut & pasted script recollection is too funny. 'Been around that style, and have also seen some pretty diligent go-getters who never ripped and read. But to all you young-uns listening in - if you ARE forced to do that at least re-write the copy in your own words, and attribute, attribute, attribute.

And while yer at it...forget the J-school or broadcast major. Get a degree in history or English. You'll be far better served. And the takes on the benefits of print experience are also good. My pop worked for the St. Louis Post in the 40's. Still have his "Press" armband and typewriter. He never got a college degree at all, but grasped the language and perspective as well as anyone.

Omigosh. Somewhere in there I just agreed with Batman. :)

Jody


>
> Reporters do not pick the brains of a "TV Pretty Boy Floyd"
> unless Floyd is a reporter and not just a talking head.
>
>
> > There are some hacks out there, but not every one.
>
>
> And I never said every reporter in broadcast was a hack.
>
> But you know what passes for news at some stations these
> days and at the traffic reporting services.
>
> It is PATHETIC.
>
> Good debate Grant.
>
> Thanks.
>
 
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>
>
> Omigosh. Somewhere in there I just agreed with Batman. :)
>
> Jody
>
Careful Jody,you may be called Commisioner Gordon.:)
On the subject. Brian Williams( NBC) is another who didn't get a college degree,and apparently is doing well. A friend of mine who has worked at KMOX, WABC,and now with CNN put it so eloquently" School got in the way of my education". That is so true,especially with so many reporters sticking to the book instead of writng it. I agree with The Batman as well.A newspaper reporter is interssted in finding the story and reporting it,a TV reporter ( now days) is more interested in how the story looks and how much star potential can they get out of it.We are probably seeing the last of the journalists as they age, retire and die off. They are replaced by the image without much substance. Newspaper reporters are also getting laxed in doing stories because in amny markets,there is no competitive paper to motivate them. Sad. The advertising dollars have more clout than ever before on what stories to cover,and what can be said as to not offend a client. The news is becoming more and more entertainment with graphics,dramatic readings( Ch. 5 and 4) than information. The Morning News itself is becoming more splashy in appearance. Access Hollywood, Entertainment Tonight may become the new evening newscasts. Thank God for the News Hour on PBS.
 
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> >
> >
> > Omigosh. Somewhere in there I just agreed with Batman. :)
> >
> > Jody
> >
> Careful Jody,you may be called Commisioner Gordon.:)
> On the subject. Brian Williams( NBC) is another who didn't
> get a college degree,and apparently is doing well. A friend
> of mine who has worked at KMOX, WABC,and now with CNN put it
> so eloquently" School got in the way of my education". That
> is so true,especially with so many reporters sticking to the
> book instead of writng it. I agree with The Batman as
> well.A newspaper reporter is interssted in finding the story
> and reporting it,a TV reporter ( now days) is more
> interested in how the story looks and how much star
> potential can they get out of it.We are probably seeing the
> last of the journalists as they age, retire and die off.
> They are replaced by the image without much substance.
> Newspaper reporters are also getting laxed in doing stories
> because in amny markets,there is no competitive paper to
> motivate them. Sad. The advertising dollars have more clout
> than ever before on what stories to cover,and what can be
> said as to not offend a client. The news is becoming more
> and more entertainment with graphics,dramatic readings( Ch.
> 5 and 4) than information. The Morning News itself is
> becoming more splashy in appearance. Access Hollywood,
> Entertainment Tonight may become the new evening newscasts.
> Thank God for the News Hour on PBS.

Thank God for the Internet Blogs and other sources. Grant you a lot of internet news is way off but more and more sites are popping up with more Journalistic values and often times the investigative reporting comes up correct. A good example is DRUDGE. He has published many stories that came true. He has much more credibility today than 5 years ago.
>
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" School got in the way of my education".

I knew a number of RTF majors who graduated with so much student loan debt, they couldn't afford to get an entry level job in the industry.
I almost cried when Trinity University ripped out their 16 track recording studio and television studio, because, as the chairman of the department said, "we're not in the business of being a trade school".
BTW, I used to run the internship program of a station, and would have students from the UT "Broadcast Sequence" (an elite group, they said) take my writing test. They got a stack of wire copy and 30 minutes, and were told to write a one minute script. Most couldn't. Grammer errors, spelling errors, factual errors, and about half just gave up.
 
Re: Degrees...

> " School got in the way of my education".
>
> I knew a number of RTF majors who graduated with so much
> student loan debt, they couldn't afford to get an entry
> level job in the industry.
> I almost cried when Trinity University ripped out their 16
> track recording studio and television studio, because, as
> the chairman of the department said, "we're not in the
> business of being a trade school".
> BTW, I used to run the internship program of a station, and
> would have students from the UT "Broadcast Sequence" (an
> elite group, they said) take my writing test. They got a
> stack of wire copy and 30 minutes, and were told to write a
> one minute script. Most couldn't. Grammer errors, spelling
> errors, factual errors, and about half just gave up.
>
Is KRTU still on the air? Trinty had a great set up thanks to former KEXL staffer Don White back in 1974. Some students from there eventually eneded up at KENS and KSAT,and a couple went on to CBS. That is so short sighted of the Department chairman to remove that equipment. He obviously had no foresight,and lack of any broadcast experience.
 
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