Open Freq's 580 and 630 Winnipeg

[jimbo]

With 63-CKRC and 58-CKY both dead what's the status of the two freqencies? CKRC has been gone nearly 10 years I believe so could a USA broadcaster claim it for use south of the border?

Living near Grand Forks, ND for years I miss CKY's blowtorch.

 

[Yeziknoradio]

With 63-CKRC and 58-CKY both dead what's the status of the two freqencies? CKRC has been gone nearly 10 years I believe so could a USA broadcaster claim it for use south of the border?

Living near Grand Forks, ND for years I miss CKY's blowtorch.

The only thing at best that I could gather as a possibility, would be for an exsisting American broadcaster to decide that moving their AM down the dial is to their benefit. (better signal, etc)
Outside of that, AM is just dead out that way, and it'll most likely stay that way.

 

[pbf1]

With 63-CKRC and 58-CKY both dead what's the status of the two freqencies? CKRC has been gone nearly 10 years I believe so could a USA broadcaster claim it for use south of the border?

Living near Grand Forks, ND for years I miss CKY's blowtorch.

There's been someone on 580 for quite awhile now: CJML, doing Standards. (Not the blowtorch signal of KY58, though.)

 

[mimo]

CJML was only a limited time station. It was licensed to broadcast on 580 for a few weeks a couple of years ago.

 

[chuckydoll]

And they'll stay dark for a good while

With 63-CKRC and 58-CKY both dead what's the status of the two freqencies?CKRC has been gone nearly 10 years I believe so could a USA broadcaster claim it for use south of the border?

No. 580 and 630 remain allocated to Winnipeg under international treaties.

Living near Grand Forks, ND for years I miss CKY's blowtorch.

Maybe you do but people in Winnipeg don't. KY58 moved to FM because it was losing money playing music on AM.

 

[Yeziknoradio]

Re: And they'll stay dark for a good while

Maybe you do but people in Winnipeg don't. KY58 moved to FM because it was losing money playing music on AM.

No, actually, it was not losing money. It just "wasn't making as much money as the owners would have liked it to make".

Respectfully, this is the exact quote a friend in the biz used when describing the situation there, which perhaps *could* mean the same thing as "not making any money".

 

[chuckydoll]

The real reason why

No, actually, it was not losing money.

Thanks, Yezi. You just committed libel on a message board.

Rogers Broadcasting moved KY58 to FM because the station was losing money on AM and would continue to do so if it remained on AM.

With a little help from Google I stumbled across a transcript of the appropriate CRTC hearing. Here is the relevant portion which I found in paragraph 47:

CKY had pre-tax losses of almost $370,000 over the period 1995 to 2000. We project that, as an AM music station, CKY will continue to lose money on a cumulative basis over the next seven years.

To put everything in context read through the Rogers Broadcasting presentation, paragraphs 34 to 289.

 

[Yeziknoradio]

Re: The real reason why

Thanks, Yezi. You just committed libel on a message board.

Rogers Broadcasting moved KY58 to FM because the station was losing money on AM and would continue to do so if it remained on AM.

With a little help from Google I stumbled across a transcript of the appropriate CRTC hearing. Here is the relevant portion which I found in paragraph 47:

CKY had pre-tax losses of almost $370,000 over the period 1995 to 2000. We project that, as an AM music station, CKY will continue to lose money on a cumulative basis over the next seven years.

To put everything in context read through the Rogers Broadcasting presentation, paragraphs 34 to 289.

Respectfully, this is the exact quote a friend in the biz used when describing the situation there, which perhaps *could* mean the same thing as "not making any money".

Without intending to twist what I've said, I'm merely pointing out the choice of words used by a friend in the biz, regardless of the facts.

Thanks for the link, but it would also make yourself look better if it were in your original "KY58 moved to FM because it was losing money playing music on AM." posting. (regardless of how old the news is to people in the biz, it still would have made your point stronger in your original posting.)

The error of your link not working is respectfully just a keystroke error, I believe. Please try to verify your link before posting such irradiant information. Thanks.
(all said with highest respect intended.)

 

[jimbo]

I had often wished stations with big signals like CKY or KOMA would have gotten some kind of credit from Arbitron for their massive reach rather than just the local MSA. Living in the sticks of North and South Dakota stations like CKY and KOMA were a nice dose of tunes for me. Satellite radio fills the gap now but I was disappointed when the plug was pulled on CKY and when KOMA morphed to KOKC.

 

[mimo]

I was born in Winnipeg, CKY was always on in my house as a small child, and CFRW at times as well, we moved away from Winnipeg when I was 8 but made many return visits to see family. My cousins and I were sad when both CKY became an AC station, and when CFRW flipped, they had a protest with friends outside the station with boom boxes playing tapes of the old station. With CKY on FM now..it's like an important part of my childho0d is gone. 630 CKRC was my grandparent's station as they were country fans. I bet my grandfather is rolling over in his grave knowing that his station is "gone". It just seems almost inconceivable to me that I could be in Winnipeg and NOT hear anything at either frequency. Its, funny, I'm only inmy early 30's but NONE of the stations I grew up with are around or are the same anymore. My parents had the luxury of passing their stations on to me with the same formats they enjoyed...I don't have that, neither does anyone else of my generation.