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Opposition to Univision sale

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ChannelFlipper said:
Now you are just making stuff up.
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If you travel outside of your comfort zone, you may be surprised. Bias and prejudice can come from anywhere.

Read the post I was responding to. They don't trust these women because they may not be fluent in Spanish. What does that sound like? They don't know for sure. But they've decided that because they may not be fluent, that they can't be trusted. But the fact is they don't really know. So they act on their prejudice first.
 
TheBigA said:
There are a lot of conservatives who want to wipe out Spanish in this country. They want to eliminate the choice of Spanish at ATMs or self-check in grocery stores.
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Funny, but in my decades of working in Spanish language radio in the USA, I have never seen anything beyond a person or two who are bothered by "For English press 1 and for Spanish press 2" and then it is mostly because it seems to waste their time.

There have been non-English speakers going back to before this was a country. And there have always been a few intolerant morons who, at their core, fear things they don't understand.
TheBigA said:
They want to eliminate ESL programs in schools.
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A very good idea. I never had trouble at a school where there was no SSL program. I had to wade through subjects like "ethics" and "social democracy" on my own with a dictionary and some copious notes.
TheBigA said:
I've even heard people at radio conventions say they want to eliminate Spanish radio. They say Spanish is the language of illiteracy. Some are very prominent politicians. They want to pass those laws. Rick Santorum was one of them. This kind of thinking is based on fear and lack of knowledge. The same kind of fear we saw today. But hey, look. Who cares? Let's stay with our biases and prejudices. It's much safer that way.
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Yet the US has no official language and that is at the core of nation that was formed with an amalgamation of cultures and languages and races.

But, again, I've never run into a serious effort to limit other languages in the USA. I've never heard anyone say "Spanish is the language of illiteracy. Of course, once I was with a friend at a checkout line and speaking Spanish; we were told by a fat white woman that we'd never get a good job if we spoke "that language". My visiting friend was the PD of a group of over 100 stations in Colombia and I was VP of Univision.

And there are ignorant people of all sizes and shapes and parties and colors and cultures: in ultra-liberal LA I went to register my youngest daughter in public school and I was commanded to present a "green card or naturalization certificate" because she was born in Puerto Rico and was, otherwise, an illegal alien. Again, this was at a public school in its administrative office.
 
TheBigA said:
If you travel outside of your comfort zone, you may be surprised. Bias and prejudice can come from anywhere.

Read the post I was responding to. They don't trust these women because they may not be fluent in Spanish. What does that sound like? They don't know for sure. But they've decided that because they may not be fluent, that they can't be trusted. But the fact is they don't really know. So they act on their prejudice first.
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The point is that if they are not bilingual, they do not understand the culture, needs, interests and goals of Spanish dominants. They are in an awkward position to be saying what "balanced" news and talk should be if they don't even know what Spanish dominants are concerned about and interested in.
 
DavidEduardo said:
The point is that if they are not bilingual, they do not understand the culture, needs, interests and goals of Spanish dominants. They are in an awkward position to be saying what "balanced" news and talk should be if they don't even know what Spanish dominants are concerned about and interested in.
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But you don't really know this for a fact.

You're basing your opinion on what they did when they worked for someone else, which isn't the same as what they'd do if they were in charge of setting policy. Or if they were hiring someone who would execute editorial policy.
 
TheBigA said:
But you don't really know this for a fact, and you find it difficult to admit it.
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Through deep searches of the two women's histories and similar efforts done by a group I am associated with in Miami, we find no evidence of either of them writing or speaking Spanish ever.
 
TheBigA said:
Right, and no one I know listens to radio.
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The closest found anywhere is a piece from last year in WaPo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/10/28/misinformation-spanish-facebook-social-media/

There Ms Valencia refers to Spanish language misinformation but gives not statement of having heard or read it herself in the language. Ms. Morales is much later generational and there is no evidence of any familiarity with Spanish in any accessible document my sources have investigated.
 
TheBigA said:
Prejudice is based on lack of knowledge. People make assumptions about others without actual knowledge of those people.....
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TheBigA said:
If it sounds like I just went through a bias training program, you're right. I did. The exact "woke" training that is now outlawed in Florida.
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It's just a wild guess - but if I were to say that I support the actions taken in Florida by their legislative and executive branches, you'd probably make a few assumptions about me without ANY knowledge of my core beliefs. You might even say I'm a right wing nut job. THAT is prejudice. Are you guilty?
 
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DavidEduardo said:
There Ms Valencia refers to Spanish language misinformation but gives not statement of having heard or read it herself in the language. Ms. Morales is much later generational and there is no evidence of any familiarity with Spanish in any accessible document my sources have investigated.
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You've created a purity test that would offend you if it was applied to you.
 
Kemosabe said:
Would you consider Citgo?
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Fun fact: Citgo was effectively seized from Venezuela by the US government during the Trump Administration. Certainly I can't say what might happen if relations with Venezuela ever normalize, but for now Citgo is effectively an American company.
 
TheBigA said:
You've created a purity test that would offend you if it was applied to you.
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No, not at all. The first step by a researcher at a Miami news medium was trying to contact each of them but it is hard to find what their current occupations are. Then everything from information on their college records to social media was reviewed, and there is not one quote, one reference or one mention of either ever speaking Spanish. Sure, Ms Valencia may have a relative she says, "hola, abuela" to but there is no evidence in the professional or career realm.

If you know differently, let us know. That would be passed on to my source, as they would like to speak to either lady in Spanish for a report.
 
DavidEduardo said:
If you know differently, let us know. That would be passed on to my source, as they would like to speak to either lady in Spanish for a report.
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It's not for me to judge. I'm not the one creating a purity test. My approach is that all people deserve to be heard.
 
ragazzo-pazzo said:
To reinforce the point - I say "Buenos Dias muchachos" all the time... doesn't make me even remotely fluent in Spanish.
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Yep, when I was helping a new station in Pakistan, I learned some courtesy phrases in Urdu. I did that just to show I recognized that I did not know the culture, the religion or local tastes. Their response: "We know all that. We don't know radio". Nice people and a very satisfying experience.
 
DavidEduardo said:
to the Andean highlands near San Cristóbal
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That mention reminds me of listening to Ecos del Torbes years ago, one of Venezuela’s best known shortwave stations which called San Cristobal home. Long gone from SW, and the AM outlet appears to be defunct as well...perhaps one of the many broadcast victims of the Chavez-Maduro regime?
 
Mediafrog+ said:
That mention reminds me of listening to Ecos del Torbes years ago, one of Venezuela’s best known shortwave stations which called San Cristobal home. Long gone from SW, and the AM outlet appears to be defunct as well...perhaps one of the many broadcast victims of the Chavez-Maduro regime?
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Yes, the owners ran into problems with the regime, and they could not get parts and supplies for the transmitters and studios and the economy of that region deteriorated severely due to it being the staging area for Venezuelans trying to cross to Cúcuta in Colombia.
 
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