AAA station with variety from Norah Jones to Foo Fighters. We are fine tuning our system, anyone have a suggestion for our Orban 2200 Optimod? Thanks!
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> > AAA station with variety from Norah Jones to Foo Fighters.
>
> > We are fine tuning our system, anyone have a suggestion
> for
> > our Orban 2200 Optimod? Thanks!
>
> How about the "Music - Heavy" preset? It sounds nicely loud
> for music, but voice can sound a bit harsh.
> I would suggest the off preset.and get you a omnia 3 fm turbo.it will work much better
>
> > We are fine tuning our system, anyone have a suggestion
> for
> > our Orban 2200 Optimod? Thanks!
>
> How about the "Music - Heavy" preset? It sounds nicely loud
> for music, but voice can sound a bit harsh.
> I would suggest the off preset.and get you a omnia 3 fm turbo.it will work much better
N
nashengineer
Guest
The 2200 is an interesting critter. I agree that the music-heavy preset is probably the best in the box for your format. You want to pop the "Less-More" up one or two notches. Be careful with the High Frequency enhancement, it can make the preset sound really "shrill" if you aren't careful.
You may want to put a compellor or audio prisms in front of it to give the music some extra punch. The AGC in the 2200 is pretty decent, but sometimes it could use a little bit of help for sources that vary greatly.
To combat "harshness" you may need to experiment with the final clipper control. That particular generation of Orban processors had some issues in the final section.
You may want to put a compellor or audio prisms in front of it to give the music some extra punch. The AGC in the 2200 is pretty decent, but sometimes it could use a little bit of help for sources that vary greatly.
To combat "harshness" you may need to experiment with the final clipper control. That particular generation of Orban processors had some issues in the final section.
> > > AAA station with variety from Norah Jones to Foo
> Fighters.
> >
> > > We are fine tuning our system, anyone have a suggestion
> > for
> > > our Orban 2200 Optimod? Thanks!
> >
> > How about the "Music - Heavy" preset? It sounds nicely
> loud
> > for music, but voice can sound a bit harsh.
> > I would suggest the off preset.and get you a omnia 3 fm
> turbo.it will work much better
>
Give me a break! The Omnia 3 isn't in the same league as the 2200.
Ask SSnake what the Georgia Tech radio station bought....it wasn't an Omnia!This is one of the Premier engineering schools in the world....and I'll bet they could have bought an Omnia if the FACTS warrented....but they bought an Optimod!
GM's, PD's, jocks and sales managers buy Omnia.The guys who can do the math(and can hear) buy Optimod!
> Fighters.
> >
> > > We are fine tuning our system, anyone have a suggestion
> > for
> > > our Orban 2200 Optimod? Thanks!
> >
> > How about the "Music - Heavy" preset? It sounds nicely
> loud
> > for music, but voice can sound a bit harsh.
> > I would suggest the off preset.and get you a omnia 3 fm
> turbo.it will work much better
>
Give me a break! The Omnia 3 isn't in the same league as the 2200.
Ask SSnake what the Georgia Tech radio station bought....it wasn't an Omnia!This is one of the Premier engineering schools in the world....and I'll bet they could have bought an Omnia if the FACTS warrented....but they bought an Optimod!
GM's, PD's, jocks and sales managers buy Omnia.The guys who can do the math(and can hear) buy Optimod!
> Give me a break! The Omnia 3 isn't in the same league as the
> 2200.
> Ask SSnake what the Georgia Tech radio station bought....it
> wasn't an Omnia!This is one of the Premier engineering
> schools in the world....and I'll bet they could have bought
> an Omnia if the FACTS warrented....but they bought an
> Optimod!
> GM's, PD's, jocks and sales managers buy Omnia.The guys who
> can do the math(and can hear) buy Optimod!
The Optimod 2200 is a good box. I won't say it's better or worse than the homegrown analog compressor/limiter that we used to use, but it's easy to configure and use, and we have much better modulation control than we did before.
We'll soon be automating preset changes for different content; e.g. "Talk" for talk shows and sports (along with pilot off), and "Classical Protect" for classical music.
Using "Music - Heavy" on the 2200 with the Less/More control, we're able to get as loud as the other stations in Atlanta, but we've backed off to "Music - Medium" to be less fatiguing (and voice sounds better).
The successor Optimod 2300 has added quite a few features, like composite clipping.
> 2200.
> Ask SSnake what the Georgia Tech radio station bought....it
> wasn't an Omnia!This is one of the Premier engineering
> schools in the world....and I'll bet they could have bought
> an Omnia if the FACTS warrented....but they bought an
> Optimod!
> GM's, PD's, jocks and sales managers buy Omnia.The guys who
> can do the math(and can hear) buy Optimod!
The Optimod 2200 is a good box. I won't say it's better or worse than the homegrown analog compressor/limiter that we used to use, but it's easy to configure and use, and we have much better modulation control than we did before.
We'll soon be automating preset changes for different content; e.g. "Talk" for talk shows and sports (along with pilot off), and "Classical Protect" for classical music.
Using "Music - Heavy" on the 2200 with the Less/More control, we're able to get as loud as the other stations in Atlanta, but we've backed off to "Music - Medium" to be less fatiguing (and voice sounds better).
The successor Optimod 2300 has added quite a few features, like composite clipping.
> > > > AAA station with variety from Norah Jones to Foo
> > Fighters.
> > >
> > > > We are fine tuning our system, anyone have a
> suggestion
> > > for
> > > > our Orban 2200 Optimod? Thanks!
> > >
> > > How about the "Music - Heavy" preset? It sounds nicely
> > loud
> > > for music, but voice can sound a bit harsh.
> > > I would suggest the off preset.and get you a omnia 3 fm
> > turbo.it will work much better
> >
> Give me a break! The Omnia 3 isn't in the same league as the
> 2200.
> Ask SSnake what the Georgia Tech radio station bought....it
> wasn't an Omnia!This is one of the Premier engineering
> schools in the world....and I'll bet they could have bought
> an Omnia if the FACTS warrented....but they bought an
> Optimod!
> GM's, PD's, jocks and sales managers buy Omnia.The guys who
> can do the math(and can hear) buy Optimod!
> A Orban 2200 over a omnia 3 fm turbo???tthat is a joke.i have a EE from LSU and have owned and sold many stations .only orban i ever used was the 8100 with texars in front of it.when omnia came out with their models i went totally with the omnia 3,then a 4.5 ,now the 6.and my ears are pretty dam good..one of my competitors had that weak ass orban 2200 when i was running the omnia 3 .he was not in direct competition with me, i was ac, he was country,i told hime what i had,he got one .now is running the omnia 6...hey we ain't talking about COLLEGE radio here, sparky...notice the new orban 2300 has composite clipping, does that tell you something.???duh..>>>>>>call frank foti at omnia, ,he'll welcome any shoot out with any orban product ever made.....
> > Fighters.
> > >
> > > > We are fine tuning our system, anyone have a
> suggestion
> > > for
> > > > our Orban 2200 Optimod? Thanks!
> > >
> > > How about the "Music - Heavy" preset? It sounds nicely
> > loud
> > > for music, but voice can sound a bit harsh.
> > > I would suggest the off preset.and get you a omnia 3 fm
> > turbo.it will work much better
> >
> Give me a break! The Omnia 3 isn't in the same league as the
> 2200.
> Ask SSnake what the Georgia Tech radio station bought....it
> wasn't an Omnia!This is one of the Premier engineering
> schools in the world....and I'll bet they could have bought
> an Omnia if the FACTS warrented....but they bought an
> Optimod!
> GM's, PD's, jocks and sales managers buy Omnia.The guys who
> can do the math(and can hear) buy Optimod!
> A Orban 2200 over a omnia 3 fm turbo???tthat is a joke.i have a EE from LSU and have owned and sold many stations .only orban i ever used was the 8100 with texars in front of it.when omnia came out with their models i went totally with the omnia 3,then a 4.5 ,now the 6.and my ears are pretty dam good..one of my competitors had that weak ass orban 2200 when i was running the omnia 3 .he was not in direct competition with me, i was ac, he was country,i told hime what i had,he got one .now is running the omnia 6...hey we ain't talking about COLLEGE radio here, sparky...notice the new orban 2300 has composite clipping, does that tell you something.???duh..>>>>>>call frank foti at omnia, ,he'll welcome any shoot out with any orban product ever made.....
C
cranium
Guest
> > > AAA station with variety from Norah Jones to Foo
> Fighters.
> >
> > > We are fine tuning our system, anyone have a suggestion
> > for
> > > our Orban 2200 Optimod? Thanks!
> >
> > How about the "Music - Heavy" preset? It sounds nicely
> loud
> > for music, but voice can sound a bit harsh.
> > I would suggest the off preset.and get you a omnia 3 fm
> turbo.it will work much better
>
In keeping with the question: short of suggesting "off", I agree with the one poster suggesting a set of Texar's (provided they are clean) in front of the 2200. Be prepared to tweak, slow release settings in the 2200, and probably start over a time or two.
Older digital processors, were hardly "all in one" solutions...and had a hard time tonally balancing and keeping up with varied source material.
> Fighters.
> >
> > > We are fine tuning our system, anyone have a suggestion
> > for
> > > our Orban 2200 Optimod? Thanks!
> >
> > How about the "Music - Heavy" preset? It sounds nicely
> loud
> > for music, but voice can sound a bit harsh.
> > I would suggest the off preset.and get you a omnia 3 fm
> turbo.it will work much better
>
In keeping with the question: short of suggesting "off", I agree with the one poster suggesting a set of Texar's (provided they are clean) in front of the 2200. Be prepared to tweak, slow release settings in the 2200, and probably start over a time or two.
Older digital processors, were hardly "all in one" solutions...and had a hard time tonally balancing and keeping up with varied source material.
> > > > AAA station with variety from Norah Jones to Foo
> > Fighters.
> > >
> > > > We are fine tuning our system, anyone have a
> suggestion
> > > for
> > > > our Orban 2200 Optimod? Thanks!
> > >
> > > How about the "Music - Heavy" preset? It sounds nicely
> > loud
> > > for music, but voice can sound a bit harsh.
> > > I would suggest the off preset.and get you a omnia 3 fm
> > turbo.it will work much better
> >
> Give me a break! The Omnia 3 isn't in the same league as the
> 2200.
> Ask SSnake what the Georgia Tech radio station bought....it
> wasn't an Omnia!This is one of the Premier engineering
> schools in the world....and I'll bet they could have bought
> an Omnia if the FACTS warrented....but they bought an
> Optimod!
> GM's, PD's, jocks and sales managers buy Omnia.The guys who
> can do the math(and can hear) buy Optimod!
>
The Omnia3Turbo isn't in the same league... it's a league above the 2200. I can't speak for the 2300, but the 3Turbo upgrade is pretty amazing, it sounds great when it is set up properly, and with published street prices of 3k or under, its a great value.
> > Fighters.
> > >
> > > > We are fine tuning our system, anyone have a
> suggestion
> > > for
> > > > our Orban 2200 Optimod? Thanks!
> > >
> > > How about the "Music - Heavy" preset? It sounds nicely
> > loud
> > > for music, but voice can sound a bit harsh.
> > > I would suggest the off preset.and get you a omnia 3 fm
> > turbo.it will work much better
> >
> Give me a break! The Omnia 3 isn't in the same league as the
> 2200.
> Ask SSnake what the Georgia Tech radio station bought....it
> wasn't an Omnia!This is one of the Premier engineering
> schools in the world....and I'll bet they could have bought
> an Omnia if the FACTS warrented....but they bought an
> Optimod!
> GM's, PD's, jocks and sales managers buy Omnia.The guys who
> can do the math(and can hear) buy Optimod!
>
The Omnia3Turbo isn't in the same league... it's a league above the 2200. I can't speak for the 2300, but the 3Turbo upgrade is pretty amazing, it sounds great when it is set up properly, and with published street prices of 3k or under, its a great value.
To tell the truth guys, I am an asst. GM at a high school station---so for now we pretty much have what we're gonna have....however, all the info is great so far, this is why I posted in the engineers forum (I am a dreaded programming guy who knows nothing about engineering). I just wanted info before I started telling everyone what I wanted.
THANKS...I would love to have a few more ideas.
THANKS...I would love to have a few more ideas.
> To tell the truth guys, I am an asst. GM at a high school
> station---so for now we pretty much have what we're gonna
> have....however, all the info is great so far, this is why I
> posted in the engineers forum (I am a dreaded programming
> guy who knows nothing about engineering). I just wanted info
> before I started telling everyone what I wanted.
>
> THANKS...I would love to have a few more ideas.
> don't go to ga tech for starters, and get rid of any 2200 you have when you can...i have probably set up more processors that most folks on this board and comparing that 2200 to anything is plain nuts, hey the old CRL units would smoke that 2200...keep rockin......and you boys at GA TECH ,stay away from smoking that sage brush....
> station---so for now we pretty much have what we're gonna
> have....however, all the info is great so far, this is why I
> posted in the engineers forum (I am a dreaded programming
> guy who knows nothing about engineering). I just wanted info
> before I started telling everyone what I wanted.
>
> THANKS...I would love to have a few more ideas.
> don't go to ga tech for starters, and get rid of any 2200 you have when you can...i have probably set up more processors that most folks on this board and comparing that 2200 to anything is plain nuts, hey the old CRL units would smoke that 2200...keep rockin......and you boys at GA TECH ,stay away from smoking that sage brush....
I have used the 220 extensively and opinions about the Omnia aside it's a decent box. When you compare it to what other single unit boxes before it could do, it's a good box.
Truth is, everyone likes to compare the 8100 to the 2200 for obvious reasons but very few stations run an 8100 barefoot with no compellor either. When you consider a 2200 please try to keep in mind it has the following features you would need an outboard box to get with an 8100:
- EQ
- AGC
- Adjustable final limiter
- Presets which vary internal parameters to match the style of processing you're after.
So if you add a compellor and a Dolby Spectral enahncer to your 8100 of course you can beat the 2200 but then again that cost is in a different league.
Now some processing notes, from my memory:
The 2200 is a good box, I prefer music-medium, error on the side of slow release times in the 2b section. The biggest problem with fast release in the 2200 is bass weakness on rock. I ran alternative on it, and the Foo Fighters type stuff can have some issues on the faster release times, just don't try to be CHR and you'll make out OK. DO drive the 2b section hard, VERY hard, just not fast. You'll need th extra 2B gain to make up for the super slow front-end AGC. DO back off the final limiter, use 0 if at all possible. DO use very little EQ, the other author was correct about jacking up the high end too much. Same with bass though, you won't get punchy if you drive it too hard, just muddy.
Hope that helps a little.
Wes
Truth is, everyone likes to compare the 8100 to the 2200 for obvious reasons but very few stations run an 8100 barefoot with no compellor either. When you consider a 2200 please try to keep in mind it has the following features you would need an outboard box to get with an 8100:
- EQ
- AGC
- Adjustable final limiter
- Presets which vary internal parameters to match the style of processing you're after.
So if you add a compellor and a Dolby Spectral enahncer to your 8100 of course you can beat the 2200 but then again that cost is in a different league.
Now some processing notes, from my memory:
The 2200 is a good box, I prefer music-medium, error on the side of slow release times in the 2b section. The biggest problem with fast release in the 2200 is bass weakness on rock. I ran alternative on it, and the Foo Fighters type stuff can have some issues on the faster release times, just don't try to be CHR and you'll make out OK. DO drive the 2b section hard, VERY hard, just not fast. You'll need th extra 2B gain to make up for the super slow front-end AGC. DO back off the final limiter, use 0 if at all possible. DO use very little EQ, the other author was correct about jacking up the high end too much. Same with bass though, you won't get punchy if you drive it too hard, just muddy.
Hope that helps a little.
Wes
> don't go to ga tech for starters, and get rid of any 2200
> you have when you can...i have probably set up more
> processors that most folks on this board and comparing that
> 2200 to anything is plain nuts, hey the old CRL units would
> smoke that 2200...keep rockin......and you boys at GA TECH
> ,stay away from smoking that sage brush....
LOL. The 2200 is better than the Audimax...
Anyways, since my school & station have been impugned...
o Our previous 2-band AGC and peak limiter were designed by a professor and built by students
o Highly ranked EE, CompE and CS programs
o Our own 40kW/104m facility in center of Atlanta
o Our automation system was developed in-house
o Began Internet streaming in 1994; 2nd station to do so
o Developed RTP/IP remote software with Speex and Vorbis codecs
o Alumni of the station:
- 2000 Sports Director owns his own FM station and has many commercial FM allotments pending
- One has hosted the #1 morning drive show in NYC
- One has received the NAB Radio Engineering Achievement Award, made many important advancements, and led product development at leading broadcast equipment companies
- One developed the premier digital playback/automation platform
- One is VP at a group of cable networks
- One oversees satellite systems at another group of cable networks
> you have when you can...i have probably set up more
> processors that most folks on this board and comparing that
> 2200 to anything is plain nuts, hey the old CRL units would
> smoke that 2200...keep rockin......and you boys at GA TECH
> ,stay away from smoking that sage brush....
LOL. The 2200 is better than the Audimax...
Anyways, since my school & station have been impugned...
o Our previous 2-band AGC and peak limiter were designed by a professor and built by students
o Highly ranked EE, CompE and CS programs
o Our own 40kW/104m facility in center of Atlanta
o Our automation system was developed in-house
o Began Internet streaming in 1994; 2nd station to do so
o Developed RTP/IP remote software with Speex and Vorbis codecs
o Alumni of the station:
- 2000 Sports Director owns his own FM station and has many commercial FM allotments pending
- One has hosted the #1 morning drive show in NYC
- One has received the NAB Radio Engineering Achievement Award, made many important advancements, and led product development at leading broadcast equipment companies
- One developed the premier digital playback/automation platform
- One is VP at a group of cable networks
- One oversees satellite systems at another group of cable networks
> > don't go to ga tech for starters, and get rid of any 2200
> > you have when you can...i have probably set up more
> > processors that most folks on this board and comparing
> that
> > 2200 to anything is plain nuts, hey the old CRL units
> would
> > smoke that 2200...keep rockin......and you boys at GA TECH
>
> > ,stay away from smoking that sage brush....
>
> LOL. The 2200 is better than the Audimax...
>
> Anyways, since my school & station have been impugned...
>
> o Our previous 2-band AGC and peak limiter were designed by
> a professor and built by students
> o Highly ranked EE, CompE and CS programs
> o Our own 40kW/104m facility in center of Atlanta
> o Our automation system was developed in-house
> o Began Internet streaming in 1994; 2nd station to do so
> o Developed RTP/IP remote software with Speex and Vorbis
> codecs
> o Alumni of the station:
> - 2000 Sports Director owns his own FM station and has many
> commercial FM allotments pending
> - One has hosted the #1 morning drive show in NYC
> - One has received the NAB Radio Engineering Achievement
> Award, made many important advancements, and led product
> development at leading broadcast equipment companies
> - One developed the premier digital playback/automation
> platform
> - One is VP at a group of cable networks
> - One oversees satellite systems at another group of cable
> networks
> the CRL is not a Audimax FYI.maybe you should have consulted some of those fine alumni BEFORE making an idiotic statement that the 2200 was better than the Omnia 3 fm turbo.hell any EE should be able to build a 2 band AGC limiter.
there are 3 EE's in my family.one is the lead design engineer on the F-16 pgm.but that does not make him a processing expert.like i said before Frank Foti at Omnia welcomes any shoot out with Orban or anyone else..i built a black box for a A>M> that sounded pretty darn good..but hey let;s shake hands and be friends.I've said stupid stuff when i was young too...you do have a fine eng school there as we do at LSU...sorry if i came across too crass.....good luck to you
> > you have when you can...i have probably set up more
> > processors that most folks on this board and comparing
> that
> > 2200 to anything is plain nuts, hey the old CRL units
> would
> > smoke that 2200...keep rockin......and you boys at GA TECH
>
> > ,stay away from smoking that sage brush....
>
> LOL. The 2200 is better than the Audimax...
>
> Anyways, since my school & station have been impugned...
>
> o Our previous 2-band AGC and peak limiter were designed by
> a professor and built by students
> o Highly ranked EE, CompE and CS programs
> o Our own 40kW/104m facility in center of Atlanta
> o Our automation system was developed in-house
> o Began Internet streaming in 1994; 2nd station to do so
> o Developed RTP/IP remote software with Speex and Vorbis
> codecs
> o Alumni of the station:
> - 2000 Sports Director owns his own FM station and has many
> commercial FM allotments pending
> - One has hosted the #1 morning drive show in NYC
> - One has received the NAB Radio Engineering Achievement
> Award, made many important advancements, and led product
> development at leading broadcast equipment companies
> - One developed the premier digital playback/automation
> platform
> - One is VP at a group of cable networks
> - One oversees satellite systems at another group of cable
> networks
> the CRL is not a Audimax FYI.maybe you should have consulted some of those fine alumni BEFORE making an idiotic statement that the 2200 was better than the Omnia 3 fm turbo.hell any EE should be able to build a 2 band AGC limiter.
there are 3 EE's in my family.one is the lead design engineer on the F-16 pgm.but that does not make him a processing expert.like i said before Frank Foti at Omnia welcomes any shoot out with Orban or anyone else..i built a black box for a A>M> that sounded pretty darn good..but hey let;s shake hands and be friends.I've said stupid stuff when i was young too...you do have a fine eng school there as we do at LSU...sorry if i came across too crass.....good luck to you
> > > don't go to ga tech for starters, and get rid of any
> 2200
> > > you have when you can...i have probably set up more
> > > processors that most folks on this board and comparing
> > that
> > > 2200 to anything is plain nuts, hey the old CRL units
> > would
> > > smoke that 2200...keep rockin......and you boys at GA
> TECH
> >
> > > ,stay away from smoking that sage brush....
> >
> > LOL. The 2200 is better than the Audimax...
> >
> > Anyways, since my school & station have been impugned...
> >
> > o Our previous 2-band AGC and peak limiter were designed
> by
> > a professor and built by students
> > o Highly ranked EE, CompE and CS programs
> > o Our own 40kW/104m facility in center of Atlanta
> > o Our automation system was developed in-house
> > o Began Internet streaming in 1994; 2nd station to do so
> > o Developed RTP/IP remote software with Speex and Vorbis
> > codecs
> > o Alumni of the station:
> > - 2000 Sports Director owns his own FM station and has
> many
> > commercial FM allotments pending
> > - One has hosted the #1 morning drive show in NYC
> > - One has received the NAB Radio Engineering Achievement
> > Award, made many important advancements, and led product
> > development at leading broadcast equipment companies
> > - One developed the premier digital playback/automation
> > platform
> > - One is VP at a group of cable networks
> > - One oversees satellite systems at another group of
> cable
> > networks
> > the CRL is not a Audimax FYI.maybe you should have
> consulted some of those fine alumni BEFORE making an
> idiotic statement that the 2200 was better than the Omnia 3
> fm turbo.hell any EE should be able to build a 2 band AGC
> limiter.
> there are 3 EE's in my family.one is the lead design
> engineer on the F-16 pgm.but that does not make him a
> processing expert.like i said before Frank Foti at Omnia
> welcomes any shoot out with Orban or anyone else..i built a
> black box for a A>M> that sounded pretty darn good..but hey
> let;s shake hands and be friends.I've said stupid stuff
> when i was young too...you do have a fine eng school there
> as we do at LSU...sorry if i came across too crass.....good
> luck to you
>
SSnake didn't say anything about the Omnia...that was me.
I thought you were "tongue in cheek" before......but your really upset about this!!
OK.....you, and you're family, are smarter than all posters on this board. But why are you so emotional about a audio processor?? It sounds like you work for Omnia!
It's fun to argue the merits of various audio processing techniques and audio processors , but I'm afraid you might start shooting people.....have a drink and relax!!
> 2200
> > > you have when you can...i have probably set up more
> > > processors that most folks on this board and comparing
> > that
> > > 2200 to anything is plain nuts, hey the old CRL units
> > would
> > > smoke that 2200...keep rockin......and you boys at GA
> TECH
> >
> > > ,stay away from smoking that sage brush....
> >
> > LOL. The 2200 is better than the Audimax...
> >
> > Anyways, since my school & station have been impugned...
> >
> > o Our previous 2-band AGC and peak limiter were designed
> by
> > a professor and built by students
> > o Highly ranked EE, CompE and CS programs
> > o Our own 40kW/104m facility in center of Atlanta
> > o Our automation system was developed in-house
> > o Began Internet streaming in 1994; 2nd station to do so
> > o Developed RTP/IP remote software with Speex and Vorbis
> > codecs
> > o Alumni of the station:
> > - 2000 Sports Director owns his own FM station and has
> many
> > commercial FM allotments pending
> > - One has hosted the #1 morning drive show in NYC
> > - One has received the NAB Radio Engineering Achievement
> > Award, made many important advancements, and led product
> > development at leading broadcast equipment companies
> > - One developed the premier digital playback/automation
> > platform
> > - One is VP at a group of cable networks
> > - One oversees satellite systems at another group of
> cable
> > networks
> > the CRL is not a Audimax FYI.maybe you should have
> consulted some of those fine alumni BEFORE making an
> idiotic statement that the 2200 was better than the Omnia 3
> fm turbo.hell any EE should be able to build a 2 band AGC
> limiter.
> there are 3 EE's in my family.one is the lead design
> engineer on the F-16 pgm.but that does not make him a
> processing expert.like i said before Frank Foti at Omnia
> welcomes any shoot out with Orban or anyone else..i built a
> black box for a A>M> that sounded pretty darn good..but hey
> let;s shake hands and be friends.I've said stupid stuff
> when i was young too...you do have a fine eng school there
> as we do at LSU...sorry if i came across too crass.....good
> luck to you
>
SSnake didn't say anything about the Omnia...that was me.
I thought you were "tongue in cheek" before......but your really upset about this!!
OK.....you, and you're family, are smarter than all posters on this board. But why are you so emotional about a audio processor?? It sounds like you work for Omnia!
It's fun to argue the merits of various audio processing techniques and audio processors , but I'm afraid you might start shooting people.....have a drink and relax!!
> > > > don't go to ga tech for starters, and get rid of any
> > 2200
> > > > you have when you can...i have probably set up more
> > > > processors that most folks on this board and comparing
>
> > > that
> > > > 2200 to anything is plain nuts, hey the old CRL units
> > > would
> > > > smoke that 2200...keep rockin......and you boys at GA
> > TECH
> > >
> > > > ,stay away from smoking that sage brush....
> > >
> > > LOL. The 2200 is better than the Audimax...
> > >
> > > Anyways, since my school & station have been impugned...
>
> > >
> > > o Our previous 2-band AGC and peak limiter were designed
>
> > by
> > > a professor and built by students
> > > o Highly ranked EE, CompE and CS programs
> > > o Our own 40kW/104m facility in center of Atlanta
> > > o Our automation system was developed in-house
> > > o Began Internet streaming in 1994; 2nd station to do so
>
> > > o Developed RTP/IP remote software with Speex and Vorbis
>
> > > codecs
> > > o Alumni of the station:
> > > - 2000 Sports Director owns his own FM station and has
> > many
> > > commercial FM allotments pending
> > > - One has hosted the #1 morning drive show in NYC
> > > - One has received the NAB Radio Engineering
> Achievement
> > > Award, made many important advancements, and led product
>
> > > development at leading broadcast equipment companies
> > > - One developed the premier digital playback/automation
>
> > > platform
> > > - One is VP at a group of cable networks
> > > - One oversees satellite systems at another group of
> > cable
> > > networks
> > > the CRL is not a Audimax FYI.maybe you should have
> > consulted some of those fine alumni BEFORE making an
> > idiotic statement that the 2200 was better than the Omnia
> 3
> > fm turbo.hell any EE should be able to build a 2 band AGC
> > limiter.
> > there are 3 EE's in my family.one is the lead design
> > engineer on the F-16 pgm.but that does not make him a
> > processing expert.like i said before Frank Foti at Omnia
> > welcomes any shoot out with Orban or anyone else..i built
> a
> > black box for a A>M> that sounded pretty darn good..but
> hey
> > let;s shake hands and be friends.I've said stupid stuff
> > when i was young too...you do have a fine eng school there
>
> > as we do at LSU...sorry if i came across too
> crass.....good
> > luck to you
> >
> SSnake didn't say anything about the Omnia...that was me.
> I thought you were "tongue in cheek" before......but your
> really upset about this!!
> OK.....you, and you're family, are smarter than all posters
> on this board. But why are you so emotional about a audio
> processor?? It sounds like you work for Omnia!
> It's fun to argue the merits of various audio processing
> techniques and audio processors , but I'm afraid you might
> start shooting people.....have a drink and relax!!
> NOPE, don't work for Omnia but have done beta software tests in the past.but the 2200 has no merits against the o 3fm turbo, especially since they found a hole that made that box one heck of a value for under 3 grand.i will repeat once more, best box orban ever had was 8100 but with texars or gentners in front.9 out of 10 engs will tell you that..i have used just about every brand made..i apologized to ssnake and i;ll do the same for you.so let's both have a drink and relax.good to hear from you
> > 2200
> > > > you have when you can...i have probably set up more
> > > > processors that most folks on this board and comparing
>
> > > that
> > > > 2200 to anything is plain nuts, hey the old CRL units
> > > would
> > > > smoke that 2200...keep rockin......and you boys at GA
> > TECH
> > >
> > > > ,stay away from smoking that sage brush....
> > >
> > > LOL. The 2200 is better than the Audimax...
> > >
> > > Anyways, since my school & station have been impugned...
>
> > >
> > > o Our previous 2-band AGC and peak limiter were designed
>
> > by
> > > a professor and built by students
> > > o Highly ranked EE, CompE and CS programs
> > > o Our own 40kW/104m facility in center of Atlanta
> > > o Our automation system was developed in-house
> > > o Began Internet streaming in 1994; 2nd station to do so
>
> > > o Developed RTP/IP remote software with Speex and Vorbis
>
> > > codecs
> > > o Alumni of the station:
> > > - 2000 Sports Director owns his own FM station and has
> > many
> > > commercial FM allotments pending
> > > - One has hosted the #1 morning drive show in NYC
> > > - One has received the NAB Radio Engineering
> Achievement
> > > Award, made many important advancements, and led product
>
> > > development at leading broadcast equipment companies
> > > - One developed the premier digital playback/automation
>
> > > platform
> > > - One is VP at a group of cable networks
> > > - One oversees satellite systems at another group of
> > cable
> > > networks
> > > the CRL is not a Audimax FYI.maybe you should have
> > consulted some of those fine alumni BEFORE making an
> > idiotic statement that the 2200 was better than the Omnia
> 3
> > fm turbo.hell any EE should be able to build a 2 band AGC
> > limiter.
> > there are 3 EE's in my family.one is the lead design
> > engineer on the F-16 pgm.but that does not make him a
> > processing expert.like i said before Frank Foti at Omnia
> > welcomes any shoot out with Orban or anyone else..i built
> a
> > black box for a A>M> that sounded pretty darn good..but
> hey
> > let;s shake hands and be friends.I've said stupid stuff
> > when i was young too...you do have a fine eng school there
>
> > as we do at LSU...sorry if i came across too
> crass.....good
> > luck to you
> >
> SSnake didn't say anything about the Omnia...that was me.
> I thought you were "tongue in cheek" before......but your
> really upset about this!!
> OK.....you, and you're family, are smarter than all posters
> on this board. But why are you so emotional about a audio
> processor?? It sounds like you work for Omnia!
> It's fun to argue the merits of various audio processing
> techniques and audio processors , but I'm afraid you might
> start shooting people.....have a drink and relax!!
> NOPE, don't work for Omnia but have done beta software tests in the past.but the 2200 has no merits against the o 3fm turbo, especially since they found a hole that made that box one heck of a value for under 3 grand.i will repeat once more, best box orban ever had was 8100 but with texars or gentners in front.9 out of 10 engs will tell you that..i have used just about every brand made..i apologized to ssnake and i;ll do the same for you.so let's both have a drink and relax.good to hear from you
> > > > > don't go to ga tech for starters, and get rid of any
>
> > > 2200
> > > > > you have when you can...i have probably set up more
> > > > > processors that most folks on this board and
> comparing
> >
> > > > that
> > > > > 2200 to anything is plain nuts, hey the old CRL
> units
> > > > would
> > > > > smoke that 2200...keep rockin......and you boys at
> GA
> > > TECH
> > > >
> > > > > ,stay away from smoking that sage brush....
> > > >
> > > > LOL. The 2200 is better than the Audimax...
> > > >
> > > > Anyways, since my school & station have been
> impugned...
> >
> > > >
> > > > o Our previous 2-band AGC and peak limiter were
> designed
> >
> > > by
> > > > a professor and built by students
> > > > o Highly ranked EE, CompE and CS programs
> > > > o Our own 40kW/104m facility in center of Atlanta
> > > > o Our automation system was developed in-house
> > > > o Began Internet streaming in 1994; 2nd station to do
> so
> >
> > > > o Developed RTP/IP remote software with Speex and
> Vorbis
> >
> > > > codecs
> > > > o Alumni of the station:
> > > > - 2000 Sports Director owns his own FM station and
> has
> > > many
> > > > commercial FM allotments pending
> > > > - One has hosted the #1 morning drive show in NYC
> > > > - One has received the NAB Radio Engineering
> > Achievement
> > > > Award, made many important advancements, and led
> product
> >
> > > > development at leading broadcast equipment companies
> > > > - One developed the premier digital
> playback/automation
> >
> > > > platform
> > > > - One is VP at a group of cable networks
> > > > - One oversees satellite systems at another group of
> > > cable
> > > > networks
> > > > the CRL is not a Audimax FYI.maybe you should have
> > > consulted some of those fine alumni BEFORE making an
> > > idiotic statement that the 2200 was better than the
> Omnia
> > 3
> > > fm turbo.hell any EE should be able to build a 2 band
> AGC
> > > limiter.
> > > there are 3 EE's in my family.one is the lead design
> > > engineer on the F-16 pgm.but that does not make him a
> > > processing expert.like i said before Frank Foti at Omnia
>
> > > welcomes any shoot out with Orban or anyone else..i
> built
> > a
> > > black box for a A>M> that sounded pretty darn good..but
> > hey
> > > let;s shake hands and be friends.I've said stupid stuff
>
> > > when i was young too...you do have a fine eng school
> there
> >
> > > as we do at LSU...sorry if i came across too
> > crass.....good
> > > luck to you
> > >
> > SSnake didn't say anything about the Omnia...that was me.
> > I thought you were "tongue in cheek" before......but your
> > really upset about this!!
> > OK.....you, and you're family, are smarter than all
> posters
> > on this board. But why are you so emotional about a audio
> > processor?? It sounds like you work for Omnia!
> > It's fun to argue the merits of various audio processing
> > techniques and audio processors , but I'm afraid you might
>
> > start shooting people.....have a drink and relax!!
> > NOPE, don't work for Omnia but have done beta software
> tests in the past.but the 2200 has no merits against the o
> 3fm turbo, especially since they found a hole that made that
> box one heck of a value for under 3 grand.i will repeat once
> more, best box orban ever had was 8100 but with texars or
> gentners in front.9 out of 10 engs will tell you that..i
> have used just about every brand made..i apologized to
> ssnake and i;ll do the same for you.so let's both have a
> drink and relax.good to hear from you
>
Good show Oldies....I'm having an adult beverage as I type!
Audio processing is the only chance for artistic expression in an otherwise "objective" radio engineering world. We live in an enviroment of mathematical relationships, which we can't bend or shape to our whims.....and the damn PD's will not let us pick the music. So, our only outlet for "personal expression" is to tweak the audio. Too bad many of us destroyed our hearing years ago with excessively loud rock & roll.An audio processor is like a Picaso, some will see universal truth, and some will see s**t!
I like my Turbo3.....it's the best value, under $3K,on the market. The station owner likes it even more......that's what really matters. But I'll say it again, Orban and Ogonowski have the BEST ears.....Foti is a "New Yorker" and bases his audio processing philosophy on NYC audio. Yep, he makes one loud processor, but if you try to make it "musical" you will fail.(Compared to ANY Optimod.)An Omnia will never win ANY shootout based on quality, perceived or measured.
P.S. The Unity was one fine audio processor.....that box WAS VERY musical. I wish Foti would bring it back!!
>
> > > 2200
> > > > > you have when you can...i have probably set up more
> > > > > processors that most folks on this board and
> comparing
> >
> > > > that
> > > > > 2200 to anything is plain nuts, hey the old CRL
> units
> > > > would
> > > > > smoke that 2200...keep rockin......and you boys at
> GA
> > > TECH
> > > >
> > > > > ,stay away from smoking that sage brush....
> > > >
> > > > LOL. The 2200 is better than the Audimax...
> > > >
> > > > Anyways, since my school & station have been
> impugned...
> >
> > > >
> > > > o Our previous 2-band AGC and peak limiter were
> designed
> >
> > > by
> > > > a professor and built by students
> > > > o Highly ranked EE, CompE and CS programs
> > > > o Our own 40kW/104m facility in center of Atlanta
> > > > o Our automation system was developed in-house
> > > > o Began Internet streaming in 1994; 2nd station to do
> so
> >
> > > > o Developed RTP/IP remote software with Speex and
> Vorbis
> >
> > > > codecs
> > > > o Alumni of the station:
> > > > - 2000 Sports Director owns his own FM station and
> has
> > > many
> > > > commercial FM allotments pending
> > > > - One has hosted the #1 morning drive show in NYC
> > > > - One has received the NAB Radio Engineering
> > Achievement
> > > > Award, made many important advancements, and led
> product
> >
> > > > development at leading broadcast equipment companies
> > > > - One developed the premier digital
> playback/automation
> >
> > > > platform
> > > > - One is VP at a group of cable networks
> > > > - One oversees satellite systems at another group of
> > > cable
> > > > networks
> > > > the CRL is not a Audimax FYI.maybe you should have
> > > consulted some of those fine alumni BEFORE making an
> > > idiotic statement that the 2200 was better than the
> Omnia
> > 3
> > > fm turbo.hell any EE should be able to build a 2 band
> AGC
> > > limiter.
> > > there are 3 EE's in my family.one is the lead design
> > > engineer on the F-16 pgm.but that does not make him a
> > > processing expert.like i said before Frank Foti at Omnia
>
> > > welcomes any shoot out with Orban or anyone else..i
> built
> > a
> > > black box for a A>M> that sounded pretty darn good..but
> > hey
> > > let;s shake hands and be friends.I've said stupid stuff
>
> > > when i was young too...you do have a fine eng school
> there
> >
> > > as we do at LSU...sorry if i came across too
> > crass.....good
> > > luck to you
> > >
> > SSnake didn't say anything about the Omnia...that was me.
> > I thought you were "tongue in cheek" before......but your
> > really upset about this!!
> > OK.....you, and you're family, are smarter than all
> posters
> > on this board. But why are you so emotional about a audio
> > processor?? It sounds like you work for Omnia!
> > It's fun to argue the merits of various audio processing
> > techniques and audio processors , but I'm afraid you might
>
> > start shooting people.....have a drink and relax!!
> > NOPE, don't work for Omnia but have done beta software
> tests in the past.but the 2200 has no merits against the o
> 3fm turbo, especially since they found a hole that made that
> box one heck of a value for under 3 grand.i will repeat once
> more, best box orban ever had was 8100 but with texars or
> gentners in front.9 out of 10 engs will tell you that..i
> have used just about every brand made..i apologized to
> ssnake and i;ll do the same for you.so let's both have a
> drink and relax.good to hear from you
>
Good show Oldies....I'm having an adult beverage as I type!
Audio processing is the only chance for artistic expression in an otherwise "objective" radio engineering world. We live in an enviroment of mathematical relationships, which we can't bend or shape to our whims.....and the damn PD's will not let us pick the music. So, our only outlet for "personal expression" is to tweak the audio. Too bad many of us destroyed our hearing years ago with excessively loud rock & roll.An audio processor is like a Picaso, some will see universal truth, and some will see s**t!
I like my Turbo3.....it's the best value, under $3K,on the market. The station owner likes it even more......that's what really matters. But I'll say it again, Orban and Ogonowski have the BEST ears.....Foti is a "New Yorker" and bases his audio processing philosophy on NYC audio. Yep, he makes one loud processor, but if you try to make it "musical" you will fail.(Compared to ANY Optimod.)An Omnia will never win ANY shootout based on quality, perceived or measured.
P.S. The Unity was one fine audio processor.....that box WAS VERY musical. I wish Foti would bring it back!!
W
westlife
Guest
> I like my Turbo3.....it's the best value, under $3K,on the
> market. The station owner likes it even more......that's
> what really matters.
If you change "under $3k" to be "around $3k", then there's a much better choice: the <a target="_blank" href=http://www.dsp-x.com/>DSP-X</a>!
Broadcast Warehouse sells 'em for just over $3300.
> But I'll say it again, Orban and
> Ogonowski have the BEST ears.....Foti is a "New Yorker" and
> bases his audio processing philosophy on NYC audio. Yep, he
> makes one loud processor, but if you try to make it
> "musical" you will fail.(Compared to ANY Optimod.)An Omnia
> will never win ANY shootout based on quality, perceived or
> measured.
It just amazes me that the people running these NYC stations will spend nearly $15,000 on an Omnia 6-FM, and then proceed to tune it so it sounds like ABSOLUTE GARBAGE on the air, with squashed-to-death treble and clipping distortion up to wazoo.
> P.S. The Unity was one fine audio processor.....that box WAS
> VERY musical. I wish Foti would bring it back!!
My favorite combo for truly "High Definition" analog FM audio....
Now THAT's a processing rack!
<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
> market. The station owner likes it even more......that's
> what really matters.
If you change "under $3k" to be "around $3k", then there's a much better choice: the <a target="_blank" href=http://www.dsp-x.com/>DSP-X</a>!
Broadcast Warehouse sells 'em for just over $3300.
> But I'll say it again, Orban and
> Ogonowski have the BEST ears.....Foti is a "New Yorker" and
> bases his audio processing philosophy on NYC audio. Yep, he
> makes one loud processor, but if you try to make it
> "musical" you will fail.(Compared to ANY Optimod.)An Omnia
> will never win ANY shootout based on quality, perceived or
> measured.
It just amazes me that the people running these NYC stations will spend nearly $15,000 on an Omnia 6-FM, and then proceed to tune it so it sounds like ABSOLUTE GARBAGE on the air, with squashed-to-death treble and clipping distortion up to wazoo.
> P.S. The Unity was one fine audio processor.....that box WAS
> VERY musical. I wish Foti would bring it back!!
My favorite combo for truly "High Definition" analog FM audio....
Now THAT's a processing rack!
<P ID="signature">______________
> > I like my Turbo3.....it's the best value, under $3K,on the
>
> > market. The station owner likes it even more......that's
> > what really matters.
>
> If you change "under $3k" to be "around $3k", then there's a
> much better choice: the DSP-X!
>
>
>
> Broadcast Warehouse sells 'em for just over $3300.
>
> > But I'll say it again, Orban and
> > Ogonowski have the BEST ears.....Foti is a "New Yorker"
> and
> > bases his audio processing philosophy on NYC audio. Yep,
> he
> > makes one loud processor, but if you try to make it
> > "musical" you will fail.(Compared to ANY Optimod.)An Omnia
>
> > will never win ANY shootout based on quality, perceived or
>
> > measured.
>
> It just amazes me that the people running these NYC stations
> will spend nearly $15,000 on an Omnia 6-FM, and then proceed
> to tune it so it sounds like ABSOLUTE GARBAGE on the air,
> with squashed-to-death treble and clipping distortion up to
> wazoo.
>
> > P.S. The Unity was one fine audio processor.....that box
> WAS
> > VERY musical. I wish Foti would bring it back!!
>
> My favorite combo for truly "High Definition" analog FM
> audio....
>
>
>
> Now THAT's a processing rack!
> NOW Westlife you KNOW what you're talking about.The DSP_X is a awesome box.got one and will be installing it on my friend's new FM start up.VERY impressed with the dsp-x.It will hang with the Omnia 6 or the orban 8400.and the price is amazing..Mike at SCMS INC tells me he has sold quite a few of these units and the owners love em....and you CRL setup reminds me of the old days.those units sounded good.matter of fact the CRL SG 800 was one of the best ever made, much better than the SG in the 8100..
>
> > market. The station owner likes it even more......that's
> > what really matters.
>
> If you change "under $3k" to be "around $3k", then there's a
> much better choice: the DSP-X!
>
>
>
> Broadcast Warehouse sells 'em for just over $3300.
>
> > But I'll say it again, Orban and
> > Ogonowski have the BEST ears.....Foti is a "New Yorker"
> and
> > bases his audio processing philosophy on NYC audio. Yep,
> he
> > makes one loud processor, but if you try to make it
> > "musical" you will fail.(Compared to ANY Optimod.)An Omnia
>
> > will never win ANY shootout based on quality, perceived or
>
> > measured.
>
> It just amazes me that the people running these NYC stations
> will spend nearly $15,000 on an Omnia 6-FM, and then proceed
> to tune it so it sounds like ABSOLUTE GARBAGE on the air,
> with squashed-to-death treble and clipping distortion up to
> wazoo.
>
> > P.S. The Unity was one fine audio processor.....that box
> WAS
> > VERY musical. I wish Foti would bring it back!!
>
> My favorite combo for truly "High Definition" analog FM
> audio....
>
>
>
> Now THAT's a processing rack!
> NOW Westlife you KNOW what you're talking about.The DSP_X is a awesome box.got one and will be installing it on my friend's new FM start up.VERY impressed with the dsp-x.It will hang with the Omnia 6 or the orban 8400.and the price is amazing..Mike at SCMS INC tells me he has sold quite a few of these units and the owners love em....and you CRL setup reminds me of the old days.those units sounded good.matter of fact the CRL SG 800 was one of the best ever made, much better than the SG in the 8100..
F
FFoti
Guest
> I like my Turbo3.....it's the best value, under $3K,on the
> market. The station owner likes it even more......that's
> what really matters. But I'll say it again, Orban and
> Ogonowski have the BEST ears.....Foti is a "New Yorker" and
> bases his audio processing philosophy on NYC audio. Yep, he
> makes one loud processor, but if you try to make it
> "musical" you will fail.(Compared to ANY Optimod.)An Omnia
> will never win ANY shootout based on quality, perceived or
> measured.
> P.S. The Unity was one fine audio processor.....that box WAS
> VERY musical. I wish Foti would bring it back!!
>
Hi Guys!
Need to chime in here a bit...
First of all, I'm from Cleveland, but was lucky enough to work in NYC. So, I'm guess I'm a bit of an immigrant to "New York."
Second: If you knew of the *MANY* A/B tests that have occured in Europe where the "golden ears" of state broadcasters have tested Omnia and Orban. These are the folks who go to great pains in processing evaluation. Much more involved than here in the States. We've WON more than 90% of those tests. These are not loudness comparisons, but quality. Yes, you can get Omnia loud, but you can also get it to sound VERY GOOD in the quaity area as well. I have to laugh, as it's tough to get a system to sound loud, and not all boxes can do that. But, if it sounds good loud, why would anyone think that you can't back it off enough to get it to offer high levels of quality?
Third: Unity 2000, as we move forward, no reason why we couldn't create a Unity 2000 emulation. What eventually killed the Unity, was the electronics industry. Try sourcing some of those parts, as most of them aren't made anymore. But, I'll take your desire into consideration.
-Frank Foti
> market. The station owner likes it even more......that's
> what really matters. But I'll say it again, Orban and
> Ogonowski have the BEST ears.....Foti is a "New Yorker" and
> bases his audio processing philosophy on NYC audio. Yep, he
> makes one loud processor, but if you try to make it
> "musical" you will fail.(Compared to ANY Optimod.)An Omnia
> will never win ANY shootout based on quality, perceived or
> measured.
> P.S. The Unity was one fine audio processor.....that box WAS
> VERY musical. I wish Foti would bring it back!!
>
Hi Guys!
Need to chime in here a bit...
First of all, I'm from Cleveland, but was lucky enough to work in NYC. So, I'm guess I'm a bit of an immigrant to "New York."
Second: If you knew of the *MANY* A/B tests that have occured in Europe where the "golden ears" of state broadcasters have tested Omnia and Orban. These are the folks who go to great pains in processing evaluation. Much more involved than here in the States. We've WON more than 90% of those tests. These are not loudness comparisons, but quality. Yes, you can get Omnia loud, but you can also get it to sound VERY GOOD in the quaity area as well. I have to laugh, as it's tough to get a system to sound loud, and not all boxes can do that. But, if it sounds good loud, why would anyone think that you can't back it off enough to get it to offer high levels of quality?
Third: Unity 2000, as we move forward, no reason why we couldn't create a Unity 2000 emulation. What eventually killed the Unity, was the electronics industry. Try sourcing some of those parts, as most of them aren't made anymore. But, I'll take your desire into consideration.
-Frank Foti
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