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Orban 2300 vs Omnia3 fmturbo

> BTW: The DSP-X should not be properly evaluated until you
> have V2.6 in the box. With older versions, you really
> needed to be familiar with what was going on to get it
> right. With V2.6, improved bass, clipping and AGC give you
> more room for error, allowing you to quickly get that
> polished sound.

Just a quick question, where can I get V2.6 for the DSPX?
Currently only V2.5 is up on http://www.dsp-x.com

<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by BofH on 01/21/06 03:59 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> > BTW: The DSP-X should not be properly evaluated until you
> > have V2.6 in the box. With older versions, you really
> > needed to be familiar with what was going on to get it
> > right. With V2.6, improved bass, clipping and AGC give
> you
> > more room for error, allowing you to quickly get that
> > polished sound.
>
> Just a quick question, where can I get V2.6 for the DSPX?
> Currently only V2.5 is up on http://www.dsp-x.com
>


You can download V2.7 from www.audio-processor.com
Excuse spelling and typos as the site is not due to go officially live for a few days yet.
Best regards
Scott
 
> The Omnia 3 Turbo is a much improved box over its original
> software, but for me there is still too much harshness in
> the mids on horns and other nastiness that can ride the
> clipper (sustained notes esp. female voices, pianos and bass
> and electric guitar etc).

I chime in a little late, but I do agree with Mike on his comments about vocal and midrange distortion with Omnia-3. When you are processing competitively, this distortion is unavoidable and depending on your sensitivity, it can be irritating. I'm noticing it with Omnia-6 as well, though to be honest I didn't have the opportunity to try the LowIMD "i" upgrade.

As far as pre-emphasis is concerned, both approaches have their advantages and disadvantages. I like Orban's HF limiter design as it gives a consistent high-end presence from cut to cut. Putting pre-emphasis before limiter assures it's pretty much always sufficiently driven. With Omnia-3, high-end varies a lot with how much high-end energy there is in original audio. On the other hand, you can't get much away from how the Orban 2300 sounds if you don't like it, whereas with Omnia-3 you can tailor high-end much more freely and get different effects (unless you want it to sound just like Orban, that is ;-)).

Lastly, DSP-X offers the greatest adjustability of all processors, including setting pre-emphasis before or after the limiters (or in-between), thresholds, timings, everything... This gives you a lot of power to do whatever you want, but on the other hand makes things more difficult to adjust. Admittedly, I haven't yet got a full grasp on the unit to make it sound just the way I want it. It takes a lot of listening and a lot of time to get to know the processor really, really good and to know what works and what doesn't. It took me couple of years of day-to-day work to get to know Omnia-6 and how to make it play the way I want it (which is a little different than Frank had in mind, so I guess that made it a bit more difficult). Back to DSP-X. I haven't been able to try v2.6/2.7 yet but seeing Mike really likes it, I'll have to make it happen soon. Scott makes upgrades and improvements at the speed it's hard to keep up with ;-) I did like what similar clipper improvements did for DSPXmini v1.1 as I was able to tame the high-end more to my likings and get more cleanliness as well.

As always, these are subjective opinions and your mileage may vary. I always recommend you get all three processors, listen and then choose. What works for person A may not work for person B and vice versa. Don't take anybody's word for it - try it! This is a very subjective field.


Regards,
Goran Tomas
 
> I chime in a little late, but I do agree with Mike on his
> comments about vocal and midrange distortion with Omnia-3.
> When you are processing competitively, this distortion is
> unavoidable and depending on your sensitivity, it can be
> irritating. I'm noticing it with Omnia-6 as well, though to
> be honest I didn't have the opportunity to try the LowIMD
> "i" upgrade.

I could be wrong, but I believe the LowIMD only helps reduce bass and low midrange induced distortion in the clipper. Don't know what it does for traditional clipper distortion. The O6 is very good and probably tied for the top spot on the foodchain.

Midrange distortion on the O3 is very noticable will jazz.

>
> As far as pre-emphasis is concerned, both approaches have
> their advantages and disadvantages. I like Orban's HF
> limiter design as it gives a consistent high-end presence
> from cut to cut.

Thank you. This is one thing I was trying to convey. The 8100 HF limiter was so well designed it stands up 25 years later, there's something to be said about that.

Putting pre-emphasis before limiter assures
> it's pretty much always sufficiently driven. With Omnia-3,
> high-end varies a lot with how much high-end energy there is
> in original audio. On the other hand, you can't get much
> away from how the Orban 2300 sounds if you don't like it,

That's why, if you tolerate the clipping in the mids and the sometimes tearing highs, the O3 may be a better all around box over the 2300, which is "Just The Way It Are" and not much you can do to change the sound from what the designer wanted.

> I haven't been
> able to try v2.6/2.7 yet but seeing Mike really likes it,
> I'll have to make it happen soon. Scott makes upgrades and
> improvements at the speed it's hard to keep up with ;-) I
> did like what similar clipper improvements did for DSPXmini
> v1.1 as I was able to tame the high-end more to my likings
> and get more cleanliness as well.

Thanks to Scott for including my recommendations in the Mini (including less universal controls in the AGC). I am at the point with the Mini where it's ready for prime time. It is a VERY powerful package for analog FM when you consider the price ($1700 list).

DSP-X 2.7 has far exceeded my expectations for this box. But it may pale compared to 2.8, which has one feature which made me drool.
 
> > I chime in a little late, but I do agree with Mike on his
> > comments about vocal and midrange distortion with Omnia-3.
>
> > When you are processing competitively, this distortion is
> > unavoidable and depending on your sensitivity, it can be
> > irritating. I'm noticing it with Omnia-6 as well, though
> to
> > be honest I didn't have the opportunity to try the LowIMD
> > "i" upgrade.
>
> I could be wrong, but I believe the LowIMD only helps
> reduce bass and low midrange induced distortion in the
> clipper. Don't know what it does for traditional clipper
> distortion. The O6 is very good and probably tied for the
> top spot on the foodchain.
>
> Midrange distortion on the O3 is very noticable will jazz.
>
> >
> > As far as pre-emphasis is concerned, both approaches have
> > their advantages and disadvantages. I like Orban's HF
> > limiter design as it gives a consistent high-end presence
> > from cut to cut.
>
> Thank you. This is one thing I was trying to convey. The
> 8100 HF limiter was so well designed it stands up 25 years
> later, there's something to be said about that.
>
> Putting pre-emphasis before limiter assures
> > it's pretty much always sufficiently driven. With Omnia-3,
>
> > high-end varies a lot with how much high-end energy there
> is
> > in original audio. On the other hand, you can't get much
> > away from how the Orban 2300 sounds if you don't like it,
>
> That's why, if you tolerate the clipping in the mids and the
> sometimes tearing highs, the O3 may be a better all around
> box over the 2300, which is "Just The Way It Are" and not
> much you can do to change the sound from what the designer
> wanted.
>
> > I haven't been
> > able to try v2.6/2.7 yet but seeing Mike really likes it,
> > I'll have to make it happen soon. Scott makes upgrades and
>
> > improvements at the speed it's hard to keep up with ;-) I
> > did like what similar clipper improvements did for
> DSPXmini
> > v1.1 as I was able to tame the high-end more to my likings
>
> > and get more cleanliness as well.
>
> Thanks to Scott for including my recommendations in the Mini
> (including less universal controls in the AGC). I am at the
> point with the Mini where it's ready for prime time. It is
> a VERY powerful package for analog FM when you consider the
> price ($1700 list).
>
> DSP-X 2.7 has far exceeded my expectations for this box. But
> it may pale compared to 2.8, which has one feature which
> made me drool.
> CAN'T WAIT FOR THE 2.8 V,, Still playing with the Omnia 6 EX-HD + fm and the DSP-extra with Ariane.ran the 06 the first half of the month and running the extra now..this is gonna be a darn close call, that ariane in the dsp-extra gives you brick wall agc and gets the nod over the o6 which is running the latest version software.but for EAR VALUE one is just going to have to justify spending almost twice as much for the o6 over the EXTRA..both are great boxes.more to come in FEB...
 
> > I chime in a little late, but I do agree with Mike on his
> > comments about vocal and midrange distortion with Omnia-3.
>
> > When you are processing competitively, this distortion is
> > unavoidable and depending on your sensitivity, it can be
> > irritating. I'm noticing it with Omnia-6 as well, though
> to
> > be honest I didn't have the opportunity to try the LowIMD
> > "i" upgrade.
>
> I could be wrong, but I believe the LowIMD only helps
> reduce bass and low midrange induced distortion in the
> clipper. Don't know what it does for traditional clipper
> distortion. The O6 is very good and probably tied for the
> top spot on the foodchain.

The LoIMD algorithm reduces Clipper induced IMD, which improves the entire audio spectrum.

-Frank Foti
 
> I'm being given a choice between the Orban 2300 and the
> Omnia 3 FM Turbo Fm processors. I'm looking for your
> experiences with the two. Any thoughts on the comparison?
>
> KT
>
Ive used both the 2200 and 2300 on different formats in the same market


they are very clean and have that ledgendary optimod sound and the bass is fantastic. I did like the fact anyone can set them up for a good sound thou with the 'less more' control
They do tend to wander abit though and the top end is all over the place. Too much high energy and it splatters all over the place, and not enough and It sounds muddy.

We now use Omnia 3fm Turbo units on the same station

Fantastic consistency compared, also much more control of the top end than the optimods, bass control is ok and overall a cleaner signal...Not necessarily a louder signal, and is more annonying for talent on-air with a more prounounced delay.

OVERALL

Omnia 3fmt sounds more professional. Just don't push it too hard, and make sure you set it up with someone that REALLY know what their doing...Otherwise your in the poo real quick!
 
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