ORBAN 8200 V3 presets wanted

[fugazi]

Hi all,

I'm trying to gather some presets for this nice box. I know not everyone has the remote software available, but i would be very pleased to have some presets. You might just put the preset in textformat in a followup.

Thanks,


Evert

 

[stace]

Can I ask, did you buy the 8200 already with the V3.0 softare? Or did you upgrade it. I want to upgrade our old 8200 with the later V3.0 software. I sent Bob an e-mail, but no reply.

 

[gtomas]

Stace,

Try contacting Marty Acuff at [email protected]


Regards,
Goran Tomas

 

[BROADCAST]

Stace,
I recently contacted Craig Johnson at Orban.
They do a free upgrade module,you have to give them the serial number and you will have to pay the postage.

Paul.

 

[fugazi]

Stace,

Perhaps better late then never. I bought the 8200 with the V3 module in it. Specificly searched for it. I have no clue how the lower version types sound.

But presets?

Goran perhaps?

 

[gtomas]

Sorry, no actual hands-on experience with 8200. Stayed with the 8100/XT2...


Regards,
Goran Tomas

 

[fugazi]

Sorry, no actual hands-on experience with 8200. Stayed with the 8100/XT2...

The 8100/xt2 is on my want to have list..

Thanks for replying.

evert

 

[BROADCAST]

Before i upgraded the 8200 for v3,i had v2.
This earlier version did not have band out mixes,phase rotator on/off,and i think bass clip threshold,as well as less factory presets(if i remember right).
Also they changed the final clipper range as well as increasing resolution on some adjustments(i seem to remember they fixed a dc offset on the aes/ebu out that the harris digit did not like.

I also have a 8100a/xt2 late models with various mods.
After comparing both units the 8200 has more bass slam and better hf clarity.
But the modded 8100a/xt2 has better midrange and is louder for the same level of perceived distortion.

To be honest i am not that impressed with the 8200 against my old faithful.

Paul.

 

[Sgeirk]

And I have an Omnia 6.0 that will destroy both.

;D

 

[fugazi]

And I have an Omnia 6.0 that will destroy both.

Personally I don't like the omnia sound. Orban has got my vote. Omnia's & dspx's don't thrill me at all.
But, it's a pointless remark sgeirk. You like to put out one liners? ;D

 

[oldiesstation]

FYI the o 6 will dance all over the outdated 8200, which was a quick rush to market digital box for orban that most engineers HATED and jumped back to the 8100 with texars or gentners, DUH , does that tell you something???? been there done that with the 8200, it won't hold the jock strap for the Omnia 6.FOTI proved digital boxes could sound awesome and continue to get even better than previous offerings.Hey if you can't afford the 06 like the big boys look at the Inovonics Omega.you can't run with the big dogs and piss like a puppy, something my dad taught me years ago.IMHO

 

[Sgeirk]

Yeah, in '98, we installed an Optimod 8200...one month later gave up in disgust, back went the 8100 with card 5, texars, and a dolby spectral processor. The v 3.0 software only made things marginally better, IMHO.

I'm not a loudness freak, I'm all for openness and spectral clarity. Because of that, I'm a big fan of the Omnia 6 the Aphex boxes. For me, it's just icing on the cake that an Omnia will win in the loudness department.

One of the best Oldies airchains I ever heard was with an Arianne, an 8100 w/card 5, Intraplex, and digit.

Great sounding combination of A & D.

 

[oldiesstation]

ditto on that.a station playing chr where i was a eng consult asked me to visit, seems the audio chain was not ready for prime time.well guess what they had?? the old 8200. replaced it with the Omnia 5 ex.like day and night difference.not sure what they ever did with the 8200, Boat anchor, maybe?? they said you are our hero, ..my reply no, not me, thank Frank Foti for that.

 

[SML]

Well, since somebody asked:

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KPFK 90.7
Los Angeles, California

Optimod 8200 Settings (Firmware Version 3.01)
November, 2000

HF Clipping: 0.0
DJ Bass Boost: Off
Bass Coupling: Off (0%)
Down Expand: Off
30 hz HPF: On
AGC: On
Bass Clip: -6.0
Phase Rotator: Off
Band 1: 0.0
Band 2: 0.0
Band 3: -0.5
Band 4: +0.5
Band 5: 0.0
AGC Drive: 10
AGC Release: 0.5
Multi-Band Drive: 16
Multi-Band release: MSLOW
Multi-Band Clip: 1.0
Low Band bass boost: +2
Mid bass boost: +1
Presence: +1.0
Brilliance: +1.0
Final Clip Drive: +1.5
Gate: - 44
********************************
WPFW
Washington, D.C.

Optimod 8200 Settings
March, 1999

Final Clip: +1.0
HF Clipping: + .5
DJ Bass Boost: Off
Bass Coupling: Off (0%)
Down Expand: Off
30 hz HPF: On
AGC: On
Bass Clip: -5.0
Phase Rotator: Off
Band 1: 0.0
Band 2: -1.0
Band 3: 0.0
Band 4: +0.5
Band 5: 0.0
Band 3+4: 25
AGC Drive: 10
AGC Release: 9
Multi-Band Drive: 13
Multi-Band release: MSLOW
Multi-Band Clip: 0.0
Low Band bass boost: +4
Mid bass boost: +2
Presence: +1.0
Brilliance: +1.0
Gate: - 40
********************************

Since both stations are non-commercial, and an extremley varied format (to say the least). This is what the music preset is for each station. The speech portion of programming is set differently. We have one at WBAI in New York and also at KPFA in Berkeley as well.

And while not wanting to get into yet another processor thrash (please no!), the one thing I will say is that the digital Optimods are all fairly powerful machines, but if they are not setup right, they won't sound very good. Frank Foti's machines are good because they are easy to set and get good results. The Optimod line is capable of very similar results (with it's own signature, of course), but it requires a bit more work, and above all, patience.
I found I did not like the 8400 near as much as the 8200, simply because you could adjust the 8400 to the point that it really sounded horrible. And the latency of the DSP was a factor as well. THe 8500 is a big improvement over the 8400, at least in latency options and preset choices.

 

[fugazi]

@Sgeirk & Oldiestation
This discussion was not about the best box for CHR or whatsoever. It's about 8200 presets.

@Don, thanks for your preset!

Evert

 

[gtomas]

And while not wanting to get into yet another processor thrash (please no!), the one thing I will say is that the digital Optimods are all fairly powerful machines, but if they are not setup right, they won't sound very good. Frank Foti's machines are good because they are easy to set and get good results. The Optimod line is capable of very similar results (with it's own signature, of course), but it requires a bit more work, and above all, patience.

Interesting... My experience is just the opposite. I've always been able to adjust Orbans fairly easy and make them sound good. It is also my experience that you can vary parameters and the sound quite widely without getting into problems. Sure, there are some critical parameters that will quickly make it sound bad, but generally you can get a way with quite a lot parameters different from the factory and not get into trouble.

On the other side, I find Omnia-6' sweet spot to be quite narrow. Moving parameters just a bit tends to disrupt that delicate balance quite easily. I don't know if it's the controls not having enough resolution (I would definitely like more than 0.5dB resolution on bass clipper control) or their range is too wide or it's just the matter of design, but I spent a lot of time trying to get it in-check and sounding just right on varied program material... As always, YMMW.


Regards,
Goran Tomas

 

[BROADCAST]

Hi Don,
I will try your presets out for comparison to mine.
On the low bass boost did you use 2P or 3P(2 pole or three pole)?
Also on KPFK's settings you did not specify bands 3/4 coupling,do i assume that to be 0% ?
Thanks,
Paul.

 

[stace]

Thanks, just checked with our Clear Channel lads and they've got the upgrade on the way. Pays to ask questions!

We've recently had a new 8300 installed on one of our new network CHR stations, and it sounds hot. FAR easier than any of the Omnias I've ever set up (and unitys for that matter), come to think of it all Cutting Edge stuff COULD sound good, but you'd need pleanty of patience. Plug the Optimod in. Bass Punch preset, slow the release on AGC, speed it up on multi band and you already the slickest in town. Great Processor!

IMHO: Omnia for music (just), but Optimod speech is far cleaner, even when processed for loudness

 

[CalifZeke]

Thanks, just checked with our Clear Channel lads and they've got the upgrade on the way. Pays to ask questions!

We've recently had a new 8300 installed on one of our new network CHR stations, and it sounds hot. FAR easier than any of the Omnias I've ever set up (and unitys for that matter), come to think of it all Cutting Edge stuff COULD sound good, but you'd need pleanty of patience. Plug the Optimod in. Bass Punch preset, slow the release on AGC, speed it up on multi band and you already the slickest in town. Great Processor!

IMHO: Omnia for music (just), but Optimod speech is far cleaner, even when processed for loudness

Opinions are a dime a dozen. I've never had any problem with voice, when processing for loudness with Omnias. On the other hand, Optimods become very dense and smashed sounding when processed for loudness. The added intermond is quite annoying and a tune out.

 

[ElCheapo]

I don't know that my settings would do you any good because I have a few boxes in front of my 8200s.

For one of my stations I'm running a set of Prisms into an Aphex 204 into a V3.0 8200 with the internal AGC turned off. The settings I'm using were derived from the ROCK-MEDIUM preset, but with faster release times. I'm not leaning on the 5 band limiter very hard -10 dB is typical in band 3.

Multi-Band Clip and Final Clip Drive are both set at 0.0.

Loudness comes from the Sta-Max composite clipper at the transmitter (the clipper the Clear Channel C4 is derived from.)

The station is very open, very clean and scary loud. It does well in the ratings, and our competition has threatened to turn us in for overmodulation - though the station sits right at 100%.

I like the Omnia 6 I have on one of my other stations - but I like this setup better. Granted, if the 8200 had to compete with the Omnia with none of the outboard components, it wouldn't even be a contest - the Omnia would win hands down.