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Orban 9000A problems

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136kgb

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I am having a problem with an Orban 9000A There is a noise about 1 KHZ that I can't get out of the 9000a. It has been recapped. The power supply has no ripple whatsoever. it is there as early as the card 1. Any suggestions of what might be bad?
 
maybe there is a faulty component on the EQ card, number 5.
Do you mean, it started when it has been upgraded to NRSC standard?
If so, download the manual of the NRSC upgrade (RET-044) of the Orban download site. It's in the 9000a1 folder.
Go through the instructions, and check all cards that need to be upgraded

Maybe they missed a step during the upgrade of the unit.

Hope this wil help

Regards
 
The NrSC card is not the problem at this point. I have been checking the unit with no cards, and I have been looking at the power supply. The noise seems to be coming from the power transformer, and the power supply seems to be filtering but not this odd noise. If Bob Orban is on the board do you have any suggestions, besides replace the box?
 
If I were in your shoes, I'd get a high-impedance (crystal) piezielectric ear plug, like we usta use on crystal radios, tie one wire to
DC minus through a .47 mfd 100 volt capacitor, then go fish with the other wire. It is almost the reverse of signal injection, and
has led me more than once to the defective board, stage or component.

Filter caps in power supplies (electrolytic) do a better job on 60 hz than higher frequencies.
When you say there's no ripple on the DC, is your meter true RMS, and does it really count "audio" frequencies in its RMS value?
If there's any high-frequency AC in the DC, you'll hear it with the probe I describe. You can hook it right to the DC rail and
listen to the power. To hear that the noise gets in as early as the first card points to the power supply as well.
Next question would be is the pwr supply linear or switching mode?
Switching mode has lots of reasons to interject whines into the power when they begin to fail.
I'd rather hear hum myself. I don't really like switching mode power supplies much. Too many things to fail, too many parts
undersized, poorly heatsinked, hot leads causing solder to fall out of wave soldered circuit boards causing opens, etc.
Other possiblities are a poor DC continuity form any/all boards back TO the power supply.
This would impress other noises (from control circuits) into the audio.
Does anything change the noise? Operator interaction? Screens/displays on/off dim, etc?
Have you reseated all connector/cards and maybe even sprayed Deoxit in the sockets?
This seldom hurts.
My audio processor was dead one week not long ago, maybe three weeks.
I came home and only thing on-air was the reverb, still being fed audio, and into a second channel on the modulator.
I saw that of two passes through the ART Pro VLA ( ahem "affordable" ) compressor, the first was passing audio, but not pass 2.
This box is 10 months old, but I tore the cover off since I fix electronics for a living, and within 5 minutes found
a multi-wire conector, with crimped end meeting the circuit board w/signal from input/output. A wiggle put back the signal.
After re-crunching the cable end gently and reseating the connector, the problem was (has been so far ) fixed.

I would hope Orban would be engineered beyond such simple failures, but I fear the cost of truly hardwired gear would be
astronomical, so we have plugs and connectors and sockets. These points of contact often develop high resistance
and if these particular (DC) connections are comon to audio and control circuits, audio from the control current changes
appear in the audio currents.
 
136kgb said:
The NrSC card is not the problem at this point. I have been checking the unit with no cards, and I have been looking at the power supply. The noise seems to be coming from the power transformer, and the power supply seems to be filtering but not this odd noise. If Bob Orban is on the board do you have any suggestions, besides replace the box?

The manual has a lot of troubleshooting info and is available for download from ftp.orban.com. To give general general advice, I would signal-trace through the audio path from input to output to find out where the problem is first occurring.
 
On this processor, I got the audio settled down. I installed the box and it feeds a Continental Power Rock. It knocked the high voltage breaker off on the Power Rock, due to constant 100% negative peaks (that I couldn't get rid of). I did not adjust any of the trim pots inside any ideas?
 
136kgb said:
On this processor, I got the audio settled down. I installed the box and it feeds a Continental Power Rock. It knocked the high voltage breaker off on the Power Rock, due to constant 100% negative peaks (that I couldn't get rid of). I did not adjust any of the trim pots inside any ideas?

Follow Bob's advice.
I would also recommend using an oscilloscope if you have one, to reveal any spurious signal that might be showing up where it shouldn't be, such as DC or high frequency 'garbage' that may be inaudible.

Kind Regards,
David
 
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