Ordway trying to reach deal with Entercom (contract ends 12/31)

[Neanderpaul]

Is it me?

Or, is the knee-jerk solution always "take the under-performing station sports?"

Just doing sports isn't a recipe for success. The fact that WEEI is so successful speaks to their brand. This is typical "we can't gain traction with what we do, so we'll mirror the other guy" mentality.

Has it ever worked?

Ever?

 

[TravisWMLN]

Is it me?

Or, is the knee-jerk solution always "take the under-performing station sports?"

Just doing sports isn't a recipe for success. The fact that WEEI is so successful speaks to their brand. This is typical "we can't gain traction with what we do, so we'll mirror the other guy" mentality.

Has it ever worked?

Ever?

case in point...WBOS

 

[dhoule]

6-10 The Andelman Brothers
10-2 McAdams and Company
2-6 The Big O
6-11 Jimmy Myers

 

[rapking]

6-10 The Andelman Brothers
10-2 McAdams and Company
2-6 The Big O
6-11 Jimmy Myers

0.5 radio ratings ( if this happens ).

 

[Blackroc]

The Andelman Brothers? I would rather listen to Callahan talk about O.J. in prison.

Has it ever worked?

There is no question in my mind that a quality FM station with some strong broadcasters in addition to Globe talent, could really do damage to EEI. Doing sports isn't a "recipe for success" but worthwhile RS/Pats talk is.

 

[BoscoGoldBear]

C'Mon Steve:

"WBCN, which picks up the Bruins hockey that 'BZ hates (it gets in the way of their Traffic On The 3s) while flipping to talk/sports. Besides isn't most of 'BCN's music already heard on either Mix (the currents/recurrents) or 'ZLX (the classics) anyway? "


1. How do you know WBZ "hates" Bruins Hockey? Have you had conversations with the GM, PD or any other member of managment?

2. The "BCN and Mix play the same music" thing has been disproven numerous times in other posts...why do you keep saying that?


As for this gem:

"......it's known that Clear Channel wants On Air With Ryan Seacrest (Scondras sound effects, VB: UUNH! UUNH!) on as many of its CHRs on AM Drive nationwide as possible, and that means that national corporate trumps local Kiss decisions."



No, it's known that Clear Channel wants On Air with Ryan Seacrest on as many stations as possible, but NOT in morning drive. It's being offered as a Midday or PM Drive show. Plus, there are certain CC shows which out perfrom the rest of their stations or are the catalyst for their stations success which are not going away...and Matty is one of them...so, nice try.

1. The fact that 'BZ puts the B's on right after the 7:03 Traffic On The 3s without so much as a pre-game show says as much. If 'BZ really did like the B's, there would be a pre-game show at 6:30 p.m., just like the Sox and C's each have one.

2. The fact that Mix shares about 60% of its music with 'BCN (Chili Peppers, Nickelback, Foo Fighters, U2, 3 Doors Down, Hoobastank, Green Day, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple) says it all IMHO.

As for Clear Channel, I sincerely believe that what decision comes out of San Antonio headquarters is to be strictly obeyed by NYC, LA, Philly, Chi-town, Boston, etc. I mean, how do you think that Stern was carried by much of CBS Radio from coast-to-coast back in the day, because the local PDs thought that Stern was great? Hell no! It was a New York-based corporate decision that was obeyed by 'BCN and the rest of "the Eye"'s sheeple. ;D

 

[Neanderpaul]

The Andelman Brothers? I would rather listen to Callahan talk about O.J. in prison.

Has it ever worked?

There is no question in my mind that a quality FM station with some strong broadcasters in addition to Globe talent, could really do damage to EEI. Doing sports isn't a "recipe for success" but worthwhile RS/Pats talk is.

Can you provide an example of it actually working rather than your contention that it could?

History has shown that any mirror of a well-established brand like WEEI, only serves to reinforce the heritage brand. I can't think of a worse idea. Especially in this era of cost-cutting. In order to defeat a heritage brand, there has to be an investment in talent (which CBS isn't doing these days), combined with an aggressive marketing campaign (which CBS has yet to show any inclination to engage in recently).

CBS' current behavior truly paints a picture of lowering operating expense in anticipation of a sale. Lots of high-priced talent getting cut. Positions consolidated, or out-and-out eliminated. You can't think that new Morning show from Memphis is getting anything close to what they should be.

I just don't see the point in trying to take on WEEI. ESPN has a real brand, and doesn't make any inroads. Why should anyone expend the resources?

The answer is...they won't.

 

[Blackroc]

ESPN has a real brand, and doesn't make any inroads. Why should anyone expend the resources?

They-ESPN- have in NYC (v.The Fan).
I listen, but would have no brand loyalty. I turn it off constantly. But no resources and certainly you wouldn't be able to get it done. I never regarded 890/1510 as being even remotely serious, as a challange.
There is not one 'EEI talent that I'd miss if I never heard again (though Ordway does a nice show).

 

[thetheo]

Gresh actually signed off his Saturday ESPN national radio show saying something like "this is my last time"

So he's another local-ish "talent" if you'd call him that which could be available or maybe is already even signed.

 

[mistermicrophone]

C'Mon Steve:

"WBCN, which picks up the Bruins hockey that 'BZ hates (it gets in the way of their Traffic On The 3s) while flipping to talk/sports. Besides isn't most of 'BCN's music already heard on either Mix (the currents/recurrents) or 'ZLX (the classics) anyway? "


1. How do you know WBZ "hates" Bruins Hockey? Have you had conversations with the GM, PD or any other member of managment?

2. The "BCN and Mix play the same music" thing has been disproven numerous times in other posts...why do you keep saying that?


As for this gem:

"......it's known that Clear Channel wants On Air With Ryan Seacrest (Scondras sound effects, VB: UUNH! UUNH!) on as many of its CHRs on AM Drive nationwide as possible, and that means that national corporate trumps local Kiss decisions."



No, it's known that Clear Channel wants On Air with Ryan Seacrest on as many stations as possible, but NOT in morning drive. It's being offered as a Midday or PM Drive show. Plus, there are certain CC shows which out perfrom the rest of their stations or are the catalyst for their stations success which are not going away...and Matty is one of them...so, nice try.

1. The fact that 'BZ puts the B's on right after the 7:03 Traffic On The 3s without so much as a pre-game show says as much. If 'BZ really did like the B's, there would be a pre-game show at 6:30 p.m., just like the Sox and C's each have one.

2. The fact that Mix shares about 60% of its music with 'BCN (Chili Peppers, Nickelback, Foo Fighters, U2, 3 Doors Down, Hoobastank, Green Day, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple) says it all IMHO.

As for Clear Channel, I sincerely believe that what decision comes out of San Antonio headquarters is to be strictly obeyed by NYC, LA, Philly, Chi-town, Boston, etc. I mean, how do you think that Stern was carried by much of CBS Radio from coast-to-coast back in the day, because the local PDs thought that Stern was great? Hell no! It was a New York-based corporate decision that was obeyed by 'BCN and the rest of "the Eye"'s sheeple. ;D

1. So that's your argument for WBZ "hating" the Bruins?? Just because they don't have a long pre-game show means nothing. They can make more money during PM Drive with the N/T format...so yes, they feel the Bruins aren't strong enough to kill the last 30 minutes of PM Drive, but that doesn't mean they "hate" them. It's a smart business and programming decision as I am sure they make money off the Bruins when people aren't listening for the N/T format when a majority of the games are on (nights, weekends).

2. Mix does NOT share 60% of it's library with WBCN...they DO NOT...NO WAY...NOT AT ALL. (see Retro's post WBMX vs. WBCN). Or, just freakin' listen.

3. Nice, avoid the Seacrest issue when you were proven wrong. CBS/Stern is NOT what your argument was about before, it's irrealevant to this conversation. That being said, San Antonio isn't pulling Matty off the air at KISS anytime soon. He drives that stations ratings and revenue.

 

[raccoonradio]

It could be that Entercom has to carry Red Sox and Celtics pre-games as part of their respective
contracts but the B's don't with 'BZ, though certainly they may do pregame shows if they feel they'd
be profitable. Either the B's don't require a pregame show in their contract with CBS, or CBS
feels it's not necessary/wouldn't make money

 

[DJbobo]

Gresh actually signed off his Saturday ESPN national radio show saying something like "this is my last time"

So he's another local-ish "talent" if you'd call him that which could be available or maybe is already even signed.

Gresh is now with Sirius XM.

There are some very talented, young local talent like Ryen Russillo, Wendi Nix, Kevin Winter, Mike Salk and a few others who are coming into their own on local stations and national networks. You could definitely buld a solid alternative to WEEI on a good FM signal with them and Ordway as the big name on the menu.

 

[thetheo]

Gresh actually signed off his Saturday ESPN national radio show saying something like "this is my last time"

So he's another local-ish "talent" if you'd call him that which could be available or maybe is already even signed.

Gresh is now with Sirius XM.

There are some very talented, young local talent like Ryen Russillo, Wendi Nix, Kevin Winter, Mike Salk and a few others who are coming into their own on local stations and national networks. You could definitely buld a solid alternative to WEEI on a good FM signal with them and Ordway as the big name on the menu.

Oh really? On the Mad Dog Channel? Or something else? I assume that's the only SiriusXM produced channel for sports as I know they also carry the national feeds for ESPN, Fox, Sporting News, etc.

Russillo does ESPN nationally too....though I'm not sure he's actually under contract.

 

[DJbobo]

Gresh actually signed off his Saturday ESPN national radio show saying something like "this is my last time"

So he's another local-ish "talent" if you'd call him that which could be available or maybe is already even signed.

Gresh is now with Sirius XM.

There are some very talented, young local talent like Ryen Russillo, Wendi Nix, Kevin Winter, Mike Salk and a few others who are coming into their own on local stations and national networks. You could definitely buld a solid alternative to WEEI on a good FM signal with them and Ordway as the big name on the menu.

Oh really? On the Mad Dog Channel? Or something else? I assume that's the only SiriusXM produced channel for sports as I know they also carry the national feeds for ESPN, Fox, Sporting News, etc.

Russillo does ESPN nationally too....though I'm not sure he's actually under contract.

Yup, he'll be on the Mad Dog Radio Channel(123) from 8p to 1a sometime right after New Year's.

 

[thetheo]

Odd, that'll cut out his CSNNE gig too then I suppose. Must be decent enough of a gig to quit both ESPN and CSNNE.

 

[Neanderpaul]

Gresh actually signed off his Saturday ESPN national radio show saying something like "this is my last time"

So he's another local-ish "talent" if you'd call him that which could be available or maybe is already even signed.

Gresh is now with Sirius XM.

There are some very talented, young local talent like Ryen Russillo, Wendi Nix, Kevin Winter, Mike Salk and a few others who are coming into their own on local stations and national networks. You could definitely buld a solid alternative to WEEI on a good FM signal with them and Ordway as the big name on the menu.

Oh really? On the Mad Dog Channel? Or something else? I assume that's the only SiriusXM produced channel for sports as I know they also carry the national feeds for ESPN, Fox, Sporting News, etc.

Russillo does ESPN nationally too....though I'm not sure he's actually under contract.

Yup, he'll be on the Mad Dog Radio Channel(123) from 8p to 1a sometime right after New Year's.

And nobody will be listening. Sad to say...Satellite has failed. Their balloon payments are going to end them in '09. 995 million due in Feb. And offering desperate "lifetime" subscriptions at $400 a pop.

I loved the idea...the execution has been woeful. Gresh is a decent talent, and will catch on. But, satellite? Officially the CB radio of our generation.

 

[DJbobo]

Gresh actually signed off his Saturday ESPN national radio show saying something like "this is my last time"

So he's another local-ish "talent" if you'd call him that which could be available or maybe is already even signed.

Gresh is now with Sirius XM.

There are some very talented, young local talent like Ryen Russillo, Wendi Nix, Kevin Winter, Mike Salk and a few others who are coming into their own on local stations and national networks. You could definitely buld a solid alternative to WEEI on a good FM signal with them and Ordway as the big name on the menu.

Oh really? On the Mad Dog Channel? Or something else? I assume that's the only SiriusXM produced channel for sports as I know they also carry the national feeds for ESPN, Fox, Sporting News, etc.

Russillo does ESPN nationally too....though I'm not sure he's actually under contract.

Yup, he'll be on the Mad Dog Radio Channel(123) from 8p to 1a sometime right after New Year's.

And nobody will be listening. Sad to say...Satellite has failed. Their balloon payments are going to end them in '09. 995 million due in Feb. And offering desperate "lifetime" subscriptions at $400 a pop.

I loved the idea...the execution has been woeful. Gresh is a decent talent, and will catch on. But, satellite? Officially the CB radio of our generation.

Doubt it. The astronomical start-up cost is what hurt them at the opepining gate and the downturn in the economy didn't help the merger. 19 million people can't be all wrong. There's a actually a revenue model in place which is working ok. I am still waiting to see one for the POS concept called HD radio.

 

[Neanderpaul]

19 million people can't be all wrong.

So, I can count you among those that believe that 19 million activated units equals 19 million actual subscribers? You forget (or conveniently omit) the fact that every unit placed within the millions of unsold cars all over America count toward that number. And households with more than one radio also count there as well. As do the hundreds of thousands of subscribers, who've had their subscriptions subsidized by both companies (prior to the merger) in order to cook the books in the cancellation category. As we're all so very fond of pointing out with regard to Arbitron's perceived innaccuracies...numbers can be manipulated to serve the present agenda. This is especially true within the Satellite world.

There's a actually a revenue model in place which is working ok.

If the ledgers read zero as the starting point, then you're correct. Satellite has had positive cash flow a couple of quarters recently. However...the ledgers are so far in the red, that they cannot ever attain solvency. And thus, the unadvertised "lifetime subscription" plan.

Oh yeah...most people don't know about it. Because if they did, Satellite would be out of business...albeit the lifespan would be extended, but they need the subscription-based model. Unfortunately, there isn't enough demand for the product. So, if you call the Satellite radio folks and ask about it, for a limited time, they will give you a "lifetime" subscription to their service for $400. This is in hopes that they can get 1 million people to sign up for it...therefore creating 4 billion in revenue to cover the balloon payments upcoming.

It might work...But if they fall short of that goal....then you're looking at spending that $400, on top of what you paid for the radio originally (or replacing the radio you have with one that gets both services)...and having nothing to show when the service goes belly-up. Oh...btw...They need 250,000 to do it by February...in a down economy. And that's assuming they have no overhead. Which we know is huge (but reduced by the layoff of 25% of their workforce).

And those people would have to be disenchanted enough with what they get from current FREE terrestrial radio, to opt in. So far, we haven't seen data that supports this is likely. Not impossible. But, not exactly a sure bet.

I am still waiting to see one for the POS concept called HD radio.

HD radio confuses me. I've had several conversations with people about it. Discretion being the better part of valor, I'll leave that discussion to others.

 

[ArtSpooner]

I bet you a coke that Ordway returns. Both sides are too smart to screw up their arrangement. Besides, since they changed the format (no Larry Johnson every week) the show is much better.

Where's my coke?

 

[Mannix33]

Gresh actually signed off his Saturday ESPN national radio show saying something like "this is my last time"

So he's another local-ish "talent" if you'd call him that which could be available or maybe is already even signed.

Gresh is now with Sirius XM.

There are some very talented, young local talent like Ryen Russillo, Wendi Nix, Kevin Winter, Mike Salk and a few others who are coming into their own on local stations and national networks. You could definitely buld a solid alternative to WEEI on a good FM signal with them and Ordway as the big name on the menu.

Oh really? On the Mad Dog Channel? Or something else? I assume that's the only SiriusXM produced channel for sports as I know they also carry the national feeds for ESPN, Fox, Sporting News, etc.

Russillo does ESPN nationally too....though I'm not sure he's actually under contract.

Yup, he'll be on the Mad Dog Radio Channel(123) from 8p to 1a sometime right after New Year's.

Please tell me that I'm not the only one that thinks Andy Gresh is an unknowledgeable fat blowhard buffoon. Please.