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(OT) TWC screws over Rochester

http://www.**********.com/shownews/Time-Warner-Cable-Expands-Metered-Billing-101655

It appears Rochester gets to bend over and grab its ankles for internet service yet again. What a crock...since Frontier DSL is a joke, I'm seriously considering getting a Verizon Wireless 3G internet card and hooking it up to my wifi router at home. I'm not really a VZW fan, but Lord knows they're better than TWC.
 
aaronread said:
http://www.**********.com/shownews/Time-Warner-Cable-Expands-Metered-Billing-101655
It appears Rochester gets to bend over and grab its ankles for internet service yet again. What a crock...since Frontier DSL is a joke, I'm seriously considering getting a Verizon Wireless 3G internet card and hooking it up to my wifi router at home. I'm not really a VZW fan, but Lord knows they're better than TWC.

It's not like TW doesn't make enough money on all of the informercials and religious programs on their cable tv: Oh no! Now they have to stick it to us Road Runner users. :mad:

If TW needs more bandwith, then blow off some of those useless TV networks on their cable TV operation.
 
I am actually surprised that "unlimited internet" lasted as long as it did. I suspect this won't actually impact most users that badly, but if it does, someone (Frontier, most likely) will pounce on the opportunity to grab market share from Road Runner.
 
I was one of the callers. Not necessarily ticked off although the looming threat of higher prices doesn't thrill me. Anyway what the woman told me is that the story leaked early and that most details are yet to be worked out. She did say though that there will be a 3 month grace period where they will track your usage so you can see what you actually use. Then you can see what level you can pay for. This system is not in place now so I don't know how much adding to "stiffs..." posting actually costs me. ;D
 
scooterodell said:
I am actually surprised that "unlimited internet" lasted as long as it did. I suspect this won't actually impact most users that badly, but if it does, someone (Frontier, most likely) will pounce on the opportunity to grab market share from Road Runner.

Not Frontier - they are, if not broke, at least without the financial resources needed to build out the kind of fiber-to-the-home network that the bigger boys (Verizon, in particular) are deploying in other markets.

That's why TWC is pulling this crap here and not in Buffalo or Syracuse - they have Verizon's FiOS to contend with in those markets, and they don't here.
 
I've been watching this discussion unfold for two reasons; First, TWC's Rochester maneuver sounded like an April Fool's prank. Clearly, it's not. Number 2, I switched to Verizon FiOS Internet service last June and bundled Internet with phone and TV last November, using FiOS Standard 10/2 (10M up/2M down.) The Internet hook-up is broad and fast, (Speedtest.net = 9.858 Mbps down / 2.248 Mbps up.) Earlier today, I uploaded and sent an unusually large production demo (1093 kb) to an agency rep who was at a client and "needed it NOW!"

FiOS is not perfect. Service calls cost $$$; never had one, but would think twice and call my tech friends before even considering making a call to Verizon tech. The Verizon installer was a decent guy who did a very good job, but he was from downstate and spent a little too much time telling me how much overtime he was making doing installs in WNY and even mentioned his annual salary. Gahh! Radio guys (even with a gig) don't need to hear that.

I had a tech issue when I had TWC a few years back and the service was outstanding. The service center rep was local and a pleasure to deal with. The service tech who came out was major league, analyzed the problem and strung new cable from the pole to the house and all points in the house.

Verizon FiOS is not cheap. Comparing billing to TWC for the same services, I save about $12/month. Beware of Verizon's contractual terms. If you're an HDTV customer, Verizon charges $10 more a month. Sure, unlike cable and (worse) satellite, it's uncompressed and crisp. I don't have the HD package as I've yet to buy an HDTV. Still waiting for the price to drop. In this case, comparing the Verizon and TWC HD packages, I'd save only $2 per month. The analog TV picture is noticably sharp and crisp, however it sometimes pixelates. I suspect I'm getting a direct feed from the local TV stations' master control and as such, audio levels can vary on the local channels. After my one year grace period, the "introductory" monthly charge for my DVR will go up about $10/month. I might be convinced to return to TWC, but only for a substantially better price and the same terms... and no per-use shenanigans.

Take it for what it's worth.
 
Another for what it's worth post. I usually consider myself a "loyal" person, someone who doesn't like to do a lot of switching. In the case of TV/internet though I've become one to bounce back and forth from TW to dish/Frontier chasing the best deal. I'm not sure how my internet usage will stack up when TW goes through with their plan but I wouldn't hesitate to go somewhere else if the price is right. I had no issues with Frontier/DISH when I went there and have no problems with TW either. I think we consumers owe it to ourselves to check out all the latest offers...
 
One minor point on FIOS - which I have for high-speed Internet, but can't currently get for video...

Service calls ONLY cost money IF the problem is on the customer side of the interface, and with the customer's equipment, not Verizon's. Time Warner ain't gonna fix your computer or your TV for free either.
 
I am very, very tempted to try and set up a wireless bridge using high-gain 2.4GHz dishes from my place in Canandaigua to WEOS's tower in Stanley, and then tap into the HWS network using our STL's LANlink. ;D

Sadly, I think my elevation at the condo is too low, otherwise I'd totally be going for it.
 
FWIW, I stopped by the "Meet with Mike" session with Rep.Michael Arcuri in Geneva today. I didn't have any specific agenda, but I figured it's never a bad idea to say hi to a politician so he knows who in the media is watching him or her. :)

At the end of the session, there was time for one more issue and nobody else said anything, so I tossed out this TWC issue. Obviously that's Rochester and not Arcuri's district...but AFAIK, TWC's Rochester system, and effective monopoly, does extend all the way to Geneva. Quite possibly all the way Auburn for all I know. But it only needs to reach Geneva for it to be Arcuri's district.

Anyways, as a journalist I know I have to be suspicious of anything that any politician ever says, but he did seem interested about it. Asked me to stay after to talk a little more about it, said he had no idea about it but wasn't too happy to hear that TWC was doing it. Perhaps more importantly, he did seem to grasp the import on bandwidth-throttling when it comes to internet TV...and that TWC wasn't going to stop with Rochester (as in, they'll put this plan into effect across NYS within a few years if they can get away with it). Although then again, he hadn't heard of hulu.com :eek: (of course, I don't want him watching Hulu, I want him fixing our economy as a Congressman) ::)

He did mention that he was hopeful that the overall blogging community would pick up on this fairly quickly and denounce it hard; he mentioned that he'd seen a similar process happen with Net Neutrality. I suppose that's a plus that A: he knows about Net Neutrality and B: he supports it.

If nothing else, though, at least it's on the radar of one Congressman. That's not a bad thing.

FiOS is not perfect. Service calls cost $$$; never had one, but would think twice and call my tech friends before even considering making a call to Verizon tech. The Verizon installer was a decent guy who did a very good job,

While most folks seem to rate FiOS as a (slightly) better service overall for TV and internet, there have been many reports of Verizon FiOS installers doing a horrible job...up to and including installations that catch fire and burn the house down. Jim, consider yourself a lucky guy you got a good one; if I ever get FiOS, I'll watch that dude like a hawk.
 
For those of you on Facebook, there is supposed to be some rally taking place this month in front of the Time Warner building here in Rochester to protest the Road Runner decision.

Personally I have no idea what impact a rally would have to change the minds of corporate executives....but hey...you never know!
 
aaronread said:
While most folks seem to rate FiOS as a (slightly) better service overall for TV and internet, there have been many reports of Verizon FiOS installers doing a horrible job...up to and includinginstallations that catch fire and burn the house down. Jim, consider yourself a lucky guy you got a good one; if I ever get FiOS, I'll watch that dude like a hawk.

!!!!!!! OMG, Aaron. Funny, but not so funny. Here's why:

When the original Verizon FiOS installer came by the house, I made sure he scoped out the basement and did some calculating before he powered-up the industrial-sized DeWalt. I took him to the basement and showed him the electrical box and the incoming 440 with at least 100 Amp service. Told him to scope the existing cable, phone and AC feeds. "Make note of the incoming AC feed bending to the left before the box and that it doubles back along the outer joist line."

Guy says "yeah, I've seen stuff like this before." He's not impressed with my Al Borland act, I can tell. "And only three inches away, there's a 3" vertical copper breather for the plumbing," I add. Guy says, "yeah, I got it."

Being a radio guy, you automatically assume something is gonna go wrong. Being the son and brother of military men, the adage "if nothin's goin' wrong, something's wrong" is in full play. So does the acronym FUBAR.

It's a beautiful sunny day, so I go outside and chat with the guy, an amiable and seemingly competent fellow. He fires up the ten ton, special Verizon-issue DeWalt, complete with mortar bit that looks like it could penetrate the Great Wall of China. The dude points to a spot on the outer wall. I say "Uhhh no, not there."

He looks at me and says, "There's enough space." I say, not at that vertical height, you're too close to the "Y" in the copper breather. He randomly picks another spot, I say "a little too close to the power." He says, mildly exasperated, why don't you mark it for me. I tell him, "you have two inches of wiggle room, high-low, left-right; drill here." Now it's on me and I'm good with that.

He begins drilling at a slight angle. I tell him "you gotta be level and straight on, remember, two inches... use the pre-existing feeds as a reference for your wiggle room." Dude drills, but the bit jogs about an inch to the left. I grimace and start praying. He cuts through, I hear no metal grinding and see no sparks flying and the guy is still standing, so he doesn't look like he took an AC hit. I go to the basement without him and see that the hole is 1 inch away from the copper breather. He cleared the AC double back by only a few more. "Nice job," I say, breathing a huge sigh of relief.

So Aaron, when I read a story like the one in your link, I'm thinkin' my vigilence might have prevented a similar catastrophe. There but for the grace of God go I.
 
Jim - you should post that story to the Consumerist website, too. It's a prime example of how their installers are pretty damn incompetent. Sounds like your guy was a world-class moron. If you hadn't been there, watching him closely and unafraid to stop him when you knew he was going to make a mistake...something the vast majority of consumers are NOT able or willing to do...well, I'd say you'd be yet another victim of "drill, baby, drill" from Verizon.
 
I have Earthlink broadband service, through TWC's pipes and billed through TWC. My understanding is that Earthlink isn't considering metered usage.

Something to consider...
 
There are plenty of installer horror stories out there. I can't tell you how many people have told me that some guy wanted to drill multiple holes in their outside walls to avoid fishing wires while installing cable. It would be interesting to know if the Verizon installers were Verizon employees, or contract installers. I've heard that they've used both. Time Warner outsources the vast majority of their installations, and their per-job payment policy puts a premium on quick-and-dirty installations. Jim had the right idea - oversee the work, and make sure it's done correctly.

When it comes to the actual service, there's no comparison between what I was getting from Time Warner and what I now get from Verizon. My FiOS high-speed is much faster, and I've had very little trouble with slowdowns and Internet outages. I can't say that the same was true with RoadRunner.
 
Just one note of correction in my post, the AC feed into my house is 220 Volts, not 440 Volts (as seen at many TX sites.) Still, 220 @ 100 Amps service, if not respected and treated with care is more than enough to jolt a person into the next dimension.
 
From: http://massa.house.gov

Congressman Eric Massa calls on Time Warner to eliminate Broadband Internet Cap
04/07/09
Rep. Massa: "Internet access is as essential to our economy as water is to our survival"


CORNING, NY - Today Congressman Eric Massa announced his opposition to Time Warner's monopolistic plan to charge customers for broadband internet based on the amount of information they download. Time Warner's decision to make this move is part of an ill-conceived test marketing plan which will charge customers for internet usage much like cell phones. The problem is that by doing so, broadband internet users' usage will obviously take a steep decline or else middle income families will see outrageous internet bills.

"Just at a time when access to information is driving our economic recovery, Time Warner is moving to stagnate the 21st Century technology needed to rebuild America," said Congressman Eric Massa.

Additionally, now that the internet has become an essential communications tool used by most Americans, there are broad and sweeping First Amendment issues at stake as well.

"Internet access is as essential to our economy as water is to our survival," said Congressman Eric Massa. "With limited choices in broadband providers, and virtual monopolies in many market areas, I view this as nothing more than a large corporation making a move to force customers into paying more money. I firmly oppose capping internet usage and I will be taking a leadership role in stopping this outrageous, job killing initiative."
 
The Massa involvement comes courtesy of www.stopthecap.com, the site I have run since Frontier tried their nonsense with a 5GB cap last summer. One of my cooperating contributors is on a first name basis with most of the people in his office, so it was easy to get him the information, and he's mighty mad. We suspect Louise Slaughter will be likely saying something on this shortly as well.

The Road Runner usage cap issue is way too complicated to get into here, but if you're interested in the nitty gritty, you can read the details over on Stop the Cap. It was nice to learn Frontier, which is still issuing memos to employees in response to our articles, has finally started listening to us and dumped their 5GB cap indefinitely and is going to exploit this opportunity for a competitive edge. They've done a lousy marketing job thus far, and it's been very easy for Time Warner to kick them up and down the block. Not anymore.

From my own source at TW, this is already hurting them. People aren't waiting around to cancel, they're canceling now. Many of those who are going to stick with RR will cancel the moment the cap plan goes into effect (internal company date of effectiveness is 11/1/09). I have a list of alternative providers up now.

Verizon FIOS not being around in Rochester is an excellent reason why TW dumped this on us. TW assumed Frontier would respond with the return of the 5GB cap we fought off last summer, but the phone company decided to do the smart thing and go on the offensive. I never thought I'd say this, but isn't it time for Verizon to write a check out of petty cash and buy Frontier's Rochester division? It's a very large city for a phone company that specializes in serving very small cities and towns.
 
Mark_Giardina said:
For those of you on Facebook, there is supposed to be some rally taking place this month in front of the Time Warner building here in Rochester to protest the Road Runner decision.

Personally I have no idea what impact a rally would have to change the minds of corporate executives....but hey...you never know

Personally, I think it's very little. But rallies can draw media attention which is the one thing TW doesn't want. They will never change any policies based on this - the decision was made in NYC anyway, but the more media attention it gets, the more lawmakers will want to sniff around and get involved.

In communicating with the other cities, Rochester remains the most upset about this, with Austin coming a close second. Greensboro is third - they are smaller and most of the activism is coming from college campuses. San Antonio is a distant fourth. Beaumont's response to the whole thing seems to be, "what?" It was a ridiculous city for the original test anyway, as it is hardly representative or comparable to any of the "test cities" they are dumping this on now.

I expect the protest rally will mostly be college students, but who knows. I personally think the only language that TW will truly understand and respect is the word, "CANCEL." My DSL modem arrives sometime this week. There is no way I am going to hang around for the Time Warner Internet Rationing Plan.
 
I'll be happy to put in a plug with Louise's office... not exactly first name basis with them, but I have called before.

It seems to me that if enough people cancel TWC, then they won't have to worry so much about their pipes being clogged with all those bandwidth requests. Thus even less justification for the caps. Of course, that's not how they will see things.

Meanwhile, it is amazing how much stuff is on Hulu.com. I hadn't looked there in a while. Our daughter is very pleased about how many episodes of Bewitched are out there. (And her parents are pleased that she would rather watch that relatively innocent show.)
 
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