For anybody who can receive the WBTV channel 3 digital signal from Charlotte NC they have added THIS TV to 3.2 http://thistv.com mix of Classic tv shows and movies from MGM.
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OT: WBTV Digital channel 3.2 is This TV from MGM
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I believe WIS also has it on it's sub channel as well... CC1
It does and it is a really good add on. I still believe that a lot of the current TV stations are missing the boat in some ways, example WLTX in Columbia preempted soaps a short while back for Gamecocks Basketball games. While this seemed great to me my wife wasn't as happy about it. I checked their second channel weather like always, third channel nothing just a weather update every so often, so why didn't they put the soaps or the game on the third feed and keep both groups of people happy at the same time. Like i said THIS is a good add on for WIS but still I feel that a lot is being missed.
Here's what I've been able to get in southern Spartanburg Co:
3.1 - WBTV-HD
3.2 - WBTV-This
4.1 - WYFF-HD
4.2 - WYFF WeatherPlus
7.1 - WSPA-HD
7.2 - RetroTV
13.1 - WLOS-HD
13.2 - WMYA-SD
13.3 - WLOS-SD
16.1 - WGGS-HD
16.2 - TOO
16.3 - Harmony
21.1 - WHNS-HD
21.2 - Radar with NOAA wx radio audio
29.1 - SCETV-HD (G'vl)
29.2 - SCChannel
29.3 - ETV World
33.1 - UNCTV-HD
33.2 - UNC Kids
33.3 - UNC Explorer
38.1 - SCETV-HD (G'wood)
38.2 - SCChannel
38.3 - ETV World
40.1 - WMYA-HD
40.2 - WLOS-SD
49.1 - SCETV-HD (Sptbrg)
49.2 - SCChannel
49.3 - ETV World
62.1 - WYCW-HD
62.2 - WSPA-SD
If I move my antenna, the weather's just right and I balance on one leg - I can sometimes get 18, 36 and 46 out of the Charlotte market. Haven't been able to get 9 since HD and I can never get Columbia anymore. Use to get 10 and 19.
3.1 - WBTV-HD
3.2 - WBTV-This
4.1 - WYFF-HD
4.2 - WYFF WeatherPlus
7.1 - WSPA-HD
7.2 - RetroTV
13.1 - WLOS-HD
13.2 - WMYA-SD
13.3 - WLOS-SD
16.1 - WGGS-HD
16.2 - TOO
16.3 - Harmony
21.1 - WHNS-HD
21.2 - Radar with NOAA wx radio audio
29.1 - SCETV-HD (G'vl)
29.2 - SCChannel
29.3 - ETV World
33.1 - UNCTV-HD
33.2 - UNC Kids
33.3 - UNC Explorer
38.1 - SCETV-HD (G'wood)
38.2 - SCChannel
38.3 - ETV World
40.1 - WMYA-HD
40.2 - WLOS-SD
49.1 - SCETV-HD (Sptbrg)
49.2 - SCChannel
49.3 - ETV World
62.1 - WYCW-HD
62.2 - WSPA-SD
If I move my antenna, the weather's just right and I balance on one leg - I can sometimes get 18, 36 and 46 out of the Charlotte market. Haven't been able to get 9 since HD and I can never get Columbia anymore. Use to get 10 and 19.
You should be able to get WLTX it is on channel 18 even thou they tell you 19 unless one of your locals is using channel 18 frequency. As for channel 10 forget it, the VHF channels for the most part have the signal strength of an all but dead QRP rig, zip.
Gatekeeper007 said:You should be able to get WLTX it is on channel 18 even thou they tell you 19 unless one of your locals is using channel 18 frequency. As for channel 10 forget it, the VHF channels for the most part have the signal strength of an all but dead QRP rig, zip.
Amen about WIS. I live 5 miles from downtown Columbia and with an indoor antenna, there is NO WIS! No matter how many times I move the antenna and everything, no luck. The best I can get is WLTX 19. It's really sad what digital has done to OTA television.
WBTW-13 in Florence is on VHF-HD and they have no signal in Myrtle Beach but their studios are on the beach. They have a tall tower on their studios to receive the on air signal. The cable company has to suffer drop outs on TV-13 too. All the other area stations are strong on rabbitears. If Wilmington had a CBS station with any signal they could take the entire coast market from TV-13. CBS(WILM) is a low power station out of Delco, N,C. but the other Wilmington stations are in Brunswick County next to Horry County, full power and 2000' tall tower, and cover most of the beach.
The FCC should allow a power increase on the VHF band for TV stations. When most everything went digital VHF was given a celling cap of 50kw while UHF is much higher in wattage. I guess the FCC thought that VHF signals would be ok due to their being able to carry futher than UHF and yes that is true but that was a big mistake in the case of digital TV. I was worried before they started testing digital TV due to the fact that when most everything went digital on cell phone towers the range droped way off nearly half in coverage area. This made me think that TV may suffer the same fate when going digital, but I was assured by an engineering friend that in the testing stages of digital TV that their signals were weak and would improve a bunch when everything went digital, on VHF I am still waiting. When channel 10 WIS was on channel 42 I think it came in here really good 47 miles from the transmitter and when it went back to channel 10 it went down the drain, yes you can get it but the weather has to be good and your outdoor TV antenna has to be above all objects, trees and such.
One other thing I wish the FCC would do is make TV stations start identitying with the real channel numbers that they are on and quit confussing the public. Boy trying to explain to someone that channels 2 thru 6 don't exist any more and you will be told how wrong you are their still on my TV, or that channel 25 WOLO needs a VHF antenna not a UHF because it is really on channel 8. The stations tell me that the public identitfies with their old channel numbers, well gee does that mean that when a radio station changes frequences it should identity with the old call letters and frequency? I don't think so, TV stations need to move on and change their identity to what frequency they are really on.
Sometime you might go to antennaweb.org from NAB and enter your address to see the signal strength, signal direction, and the true channels for each station. You will note many times the weakest stations are VHF-TV.
They should just do away with VHF digital TV. Channel 8 where I lvie gave up and went back to 35.SCMidlands said:WBTW-13 in Florence is on VHF-HD and they have no signal in Myrtle Beach but their studios are on the beach. They have a tall tower on their studios to receive the on air signal. The cable company has to suffer drop outs on TV-13 too. All the other area stations are strong on rabbitears. If Wilmington had a CBS station with any signal they could take the entire coast market from TV-13. CBS(WILM) is a low power station out of Delco, N,C. but the other Wilmington stations are in Brunswick County next to Horry County, full power and 2000' tall tower, and cover most of the beach.
One solution being discussed by those who want to free up more spectrum for wireless broadband: have one of the other existing channels like WPDE become a subchannel of WBTW or vice-versa. Actually, they don't have to declare one to be a primary channel. 13.1 can be 15.3 but you'll never have to know. Same for WIS and WLOS.
Gatekeeper007 said:One other thing I wish the FCC would do is make TV stations start identitying with the real channel numbers that they are on and quit confussing the public. Boy trying to explain to someone that channels 2 thru 6 don't exist any more and you will be told how wrong you are their still on my TV, or that channel 25 WOLO needs a VHF antenna not a UHF because it is really on channel 8. The stations tell me that the public identitfies with their old channel numbers, well gee does that mean that when a radio station changes frequences it should identity with the old call letters and frequency? I don't think so, TV stations need to move on and change their identity to what frequency they are really on.
I answer viewer calls & emails for a major Nashville station. I've taken several hundred such calls & emails over the last 18 months or so. The grand total of viewers who've been confused by channel remapping:
ZERO.
Let's look upstate. Let's presume there was no remapping -- that every DTV station had to identify with its RF channel number. Let's look at just the "Big 3" stations WYFF, WSPA, and WLOS.
Pre-digital, to watch NBC in Spartanburg, you tuned in channel 4. During the transition, you punch in channel 59. Post-transition, you punch in channel 36. Unless you have cable or satellite in which case it's still channel 4. To watch CBS, it was 7 before the transition, then 53 during the transition, then back to 7 when it's all over. Likewise with ABC -- 13 pre-transition, 56 during transition, then back to 13.
Since there is remapping... pre-transition, to watch NBC, you tuned in channel 4. During the transition, to watch NBC, you tuned in channel 4. Post-transition, to watch NBC, you tune in channel 4. Likewise with channels 7 and 13. Sure sounds a lot less confusing to me!
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There's another way to look at this. Really, there is no such physical concept as "channel 21". Does it mean over-the-air channel 21? Cable channel 21? CB channel 21? Talkgroup 21 programmed into the Spartanburg County Government radios? The physical frequency associated with "channel 21" varies, depending on context.
In fact, WYFF-TV never broadcast on "channel 4"; there is no such thing. They broadcasted an analog signal on 67.25MHz. When you wanted to watch NBC, you punched in "04" on your remote. Your TV looked up "04" in an internal lookup table, found "67.25" in the table, tuned to 67.25MHz, and found the WYFF-TV analog video signal.
Today, WYFF-TV broadcasts a digital signal on 602.31MHz. When you want to watch NBC, you punch in "04" on your remote. Your TV looks up '04" in an internal lookup table, and finds "602.31" in the table. It tunes to 602.31MHz, and finds the WYFF-TV digital signal.
Either way, your TV contains a lookup table, relating a channel number to a frequency. You select a channel, it looks up the frequency to tune to and finds the desired station there.
Really the only difference: In analog, the lookup table is programmed into your TV at the factory. (the table is printed as FCC Regulation 73.603) In digital, when you first set up your TV, it scans for channels and fills in the lookup table with the channels it finds. For the ordinary viewer there is literally no difference. (as for years now, even analog sets insisted on scanning for channels when first powered up)
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Finally, look at the branding thing. Imagine you own a McDonalds' at the northeast corner of 16th and Main. The city comes along & tells you they're building a freeway through your lot. They'll give you free land on the other side of the street to rebuild -- but you can't call yourself McDonalds' anymore. Now, you have to be "Burgers Plus".
Gone, decades of promotion & advertising. Gone, decades of name recognition.
(and that much more confusing for the ordinary viewer, who used to know to punch in "04" to watch NBC. What number are they on *now*??)
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So (as I contradict myself..) Channel 4 certainly does still exist. Now, it remaps to 602.31, not 67.25. You don't need to tell the viewer that, they don't need to know & they don't care. Make sure everyone gets an all-channel antenna (the vast majority of markets have at least one VHF) and that problem goes away.
The flip flop for VHF channels to UHF and back to VHF is history therefore no need to try and complicate things to try and make it sound worse than it is now. The confusion is in the fact that people don't know what type of signal their trying to receive muchless what kind of antenna it takes to receive it and with the stations not telling people the truth a lot of people think they still need a big antenna like use to be used for channels 2 thru 6 and trying to tell them different doesn't always work since some people were told this in the past and now channels 2 thru 6 still show up on their TV dail so to speak or the same antenna should work for channel 25 WOLO and Channel 19 WLTX in Columbia since their both on UHF numbers right? and you try and explain to them no channel 25 is really on channel 8 and they look at you like your crazy. I am glad you haven't had any trouble in Nashville but it hasn't worked out that well in here in South Carolina.
Gatekeeper007 said:You should be able to get WLTX it is on channel 18 even thou they tell you 19 unless one of your locals is using channel 18 frequency. As for channel 10 forget it, the VHF channels for the most part have the signal strength of an all but dead QRP rig, zip.
How true! I believe WLTX is on "real channel" 17 instead of 18.
Did they have "lookup tabes" in TVs where the clicker really made a clicking sound? Somehow I doubt it.w9wi said:In fact, WYFF-TV never broadcast on "channel 4"; there is no such thing. They broadcasted an analog signal on 67.25MHz. When you wanted to watch NBC, you punched in "04" on your remote. Your TV looked up "04" in an internal lookup table, found "67.25" in the table, tuned to 67.25MHz, and found the WYFF-TV analog video signal.
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