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OTA TV tuner in smart phones.

It's not clear exactly WHAT is supposedly not available. High speed Internet service? Or 3G or 4G cell phone service?

Use of cell phones to stream video is not considered abuse unless it is done to excess (well over the set data limit for the account). Home viewing of streamed video is done with an Internet connection.

Apparently, you want to keep terrestrial VHF/UHF TV going for the convenience of late adopters in remote areas. Typical government thinking. Just like keeping Amtrak going with one train a day each way in the boondocks for the benefit of a handful of small town people who don't want to fly. "Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." - Spock
 
Your math may be correct or completely wrong since there appears to be no research to support it. But consider that I have a healthy estate and a sizable annual income. I spend lots of money yet my age tells idiot marketeers that I am old and useless. You know what salute I give to that. You know what Will Rogers said about statistics, right?

You (and I, while I was OTA + Internet) aren't who I was talking about. I'm talking about those very few, either because they can't afford high speed Internet, or just don't want to, can ONLY use an antenna for TV, and have no other means of watching. And I'll stick with my 6 million rough estimate until I see a more exact figure.

I agree with you about the idiot marketroids, but they also do what the advertisers tell them. And in prime time, "old geezers" like us (age 50+) are considered dead by the networks. Locally, and during the day, it's another story, but the ad rates aren't as high.
 
It's not clear exactly WHAT is supposedly not available. High speed Internet service? Or 3G or 4G cell phone service?

Use of cell phones to stream video is not considered abuse unless it is done to excess (well over the set data limit for the account). Home viewing of streamed video is done with an Internet connection.

Apparently, you want to keep terrestrial VHF/UHF TV going for the convenience of late adopters in remote areas. Typical government thinking. Just like keeping Amtrak going with one train a day each way in the boondocks for the benefit of a handful of small town people who don't want to fly. "Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." - Spock

What's not clear? Wired service in excess of 3 Mbps down is not available.

Yeah, turns out government is supposed to serve all of the people, and not just the ones you deem worthy. Funny that.

- Trip
 
There are areas in my State of Michigan, in the north woods, where wireless highish speed internet has just become available. Maximum download speed is 2Mbps with a monthly limit of 2gigs.
Not really fast enough for high quality video and certainly not enough monthly allowance for much video streaming.
That location (where I often go for the weekend) does not have any cellular phone service at all.

From my experience, high speed internet, 3G/4G is not available everywhere. Of course, if I wanted to cut down a lot of trees, I could probably get Dish Network internet .... but the cost is high and the speed is low.
 
What's not clear? Wired service in excess of 3 Mbps down is not available.

Yeah, turns out government is supposed to serve all of the people, and not just the ones you deem worthy. Funny that.

- Trip

So, if government takes from the rich to give to the poor, how is that "serving" the rich? If government takes from city people to give to country people, how is that "serving" city people? Talk about hypocrisy! You want government to serve the people YOU deem worthy!

And no, they did not tell you in civics class that government is supposed to serve "all of the people." It is supposed to provide "the greatest good for the greatest number."

People choose to live in remote areas - the bush, the sticks, the boonies - whatever you want to call it. The cost of real estate is less. The cost of car insurance is less. But they don't have the benefits of city life - museums, large libraries, symphony orchestras, legitimate theater, Michelin rated restaurants, major league sports, multiplex cinemas, shopping malls, major educational institutions .... and maybe high-speed Internet. Their choice. Maybe if rusty towers TV stations weren't hogging bandwidth, wireless service would be better. By the way, there are areas of the U-P where you can't get OTA TV at all, or need a big roof-top antenna plus mast.

No, government does NOT serve ALL the people. There are whole states, and large portions of others, which get far less from the government than they pay in.

And your FCC demands so-called "affirmative action" (aka reverse discrimination). Again, not serving all the people, just those some bureaucrats deem worthy.
 
There are areas of the Albuquerque, New Mexico market where they can't receive OTA TV. Reception of FM is also difficult. The mountains block the signals.
Albuquerque is certainly not a remote area. It's also not in the bush, the sticks, the boonies.
 
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Apparently, you want to keep terrestrial VHF/UHF TV going for the convenience of late adopters in remote areas. Typical government thinking. Just like keeping Amtrak going with one train a day each way in the boondocks for the benefit of a handful of small town people who don't want to fly.

Two different subjects. Terrestrial TV is not a gubmint service and has a very substantial investment by thousands of people who own those businesses. Amtrak (and flight services to tiny little airports) are directly governed by the gubmint and required to serve tiny little places with direct subsidies. These are usually directed by long-serving Congressmen with big pockets and lots of important connections. If you looked closely enough you would probably find a VIP or filthy rich influential person living there who has political connections.
 
So, if government takes from the rich to give to the poor, how is that "serving" the rich?

It provides the poor with money to spend on goods and services from which the rich make further profit. Any economics professor would tell you that. By contrast, taking from the poor to give to the rich, as you're suggesting, serves to make people desperate to the point they are significantly more likely to get involved in crime, costing more in taxes due to costs of incarceration. (Along with other negative externalities, such as decreased spending power, which will serve to ultimately shrink the economy and hurt everyone.)

If government takes from city people to give to country people, how is that "serving" city people?

Well, city people get their food from somewhere, and it's not Manhattan. If nobody lived in the country, there would be nobody growing the food you eat, nobody staffing the national parks you visit, and nobody to serve the truck drivers who stop along the way to their destinations with your goods and services.

Talk about hypocrisy! You want government to serve the people YOU deem worthy!

I want government to serve ALL the people, as it should have and does. I deem ALL the people worthy.

And no, they did not tell you in civics class that government is supposed to serve "all of the people." It is supposed to provide "the greatest good for the greatest number."

Um, no, sorry. The post office (in the constitution itself) is required to serve first class mail to all people in the United States at an equal price. The government was heavily involved in ensuring that electricity reached all people, and that wired telephone service reached all people. I'm not sure why Internet access, the modern equivalent to the letter or the telephone, should be any different.

People choose to live in remote areas - the bush, the sticks, the boonies - whatever you want to call it. The cost of real estate is less. The cost of car insurance is less. But they don't have the benefits of city life - museums, large libraries, symphony orchestras, legitimate theater, Michelin rated restaurants, major league sports, multiplex cinemas, shopping malls, major educational institutions .... and maybe high-speed Internet. Their choice.

And if they can't afford to move to the city, screw 'em, right? That's what you're suggesting here. I've made that move. I now pay as much in my mortgage each month now as I made in an entire month (before taxes!). Unless you have a good job waiting for you or a large savings account, people can't afford to just uproot their lives and move to the city just because you think they should.

Internet access is no longer a luxury like the other items you lump in with it. It is required by schools, by employers, and by government, much as electricity and the telephone are.

Maybe if rusty towers TV stations weren't hogging bandwidth, wireless service would be better.

Showing you know nothing at all about the situation. In the rural area I come from, there is exactly 22 MHz of spectrum in use by the cell phone company out of some 300+ MHz actually licensed. I own a spectrum analyzer; I looked. The other companies have no interest in operating there but were glad to do a game of keep-away to keep it out of the hands of the much smaller company that does want to serve the area. Killing the free TV service in the area would not do one single thing to improve Internet availability in rural areas.

By the way, there are areas of the U-P where you can't get OTA TV at all, or need a big roof-top antenna plus mast.

So? The vast majority can. That's the point. After your plan to kill all OTA, much larger areas won't have any kind of video service than do now.

No, government does NOT serve ALL the people. There are whole states, and large portions of others, which get far less from the government than they pay in.

Those people still get roads, security, schools, post office service, etc. They do get government services. I'm really not sure why you're arguing that they don't when they very obviously do.

And your FCC demands so-called "affirmative action" (aka reverse discrimination). Again, not serving all the people, just those some bureaucrats deem worthy.

Not entirely sure what this has to do with anything we're discussing here.

- Trip
 
Where is the U-P? Google was no real help.

Michigan's Upper Penninsula. The part with Marquette and Sault Ste. Marie.

- Trip
 
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