• Get involved.
    We want your input!
    Apply for Membership and join the conversations about everything related to broadcasting.

    After we receive your registration, a moderator will review it. After your registration is approved, you will be permitted to post.
    If you use a disposable or false email address, your registration will be rejected.

    After your membership is approved, please take a minute to tell us a little bit about yourself.
    https://www.radiodiscussions.com/forums/introduce-yourself.1088/

    Thanks in advance and have fun!
    RadioDiscussions Administrators

Other than Sat radio

T

titoisradio

What subscriptions do you have that do not include other advertisements?

Newspaper...nope tons of ads there...in fact the ads are the only reason I buy the Sunday paper.

Magazines...again, tons of ads.

The CD club where you get 7 CD's for a penny...nope still have forms of advertising including the shipment of the CD you really don't want but they hope you'll keep.

CableTV...other than premium channels no ads in fact the Cable Company even places ads on the channels they carry.

So please can someone tell me logically why Sat radio would be any different than these subscription models and be able to be profitable in the long term? I fully support ads on satellite radio, especially as a shareholder.
 
> What subscriptions do you have that do not include other
> advertisements?
>
> Newspaper...nope tons of ads there...in fact the ads are the
> only reason I buy the Sunday paper.
>
> Magazines...again, tons of ads.
>
> The CD club where you get 7 CD's for a penny...nope still
> have forms of advertising including the shipment of the CD
> you really don't want but they hope you'll keep.
>
> CableTV...other than premium channels no ads in fact the
> Cable Company even places ads on the channels they carry.
>
> So please can someone tell me logically why Sat radio would
> be any different than these subscription models and be able
> to be profitable in the long term? I fully support ads on
> satellite radio, especially as a shareholder.


Mr Corporate Apologist, the problem with Sat radio running ads on their music channels is that they sucked in a lot of subscribers promoting they were "commercial free".

Simple concept but perhaps over the head of a guy who only reads the newspaper for the ads.
 
> > What subscriptions do you have that do not include other
> > advertisements?
> >
> > Newspaper...nope tons of ads there...in fact the ads are
> the
> > only reason I buy the Sunday paper.
> >
> > Magazines...again, tons of ads.
> >
> > The CD club where you get 7 CD's for a penny...nope still
> > have forms of advertising including the shipment of the CD
>
> > you really don't want but they hope you'll keep.
> >
> > CableTV...other than premium channels no ads in fact the
> > Cable Company even places ads on the channels they carry.
>
> >
> > So please can someone tell me logically why Sat radio
> would
> > be any different than these subscription models and be
> able
> > to be profitable in the long term? I fully support ads on
>
> > satellite radio, especially as a shareholder.

Yeah, in case you didn't know, satellite radio does have commmericals on their talk channels, both XM and Sirius. Your argument doesn't make sense.
 
And remember when they lured us all in, they also told us we can cancel the service and be refunded the balance. Still better than what is on the airwaves!

Nock
 
> > What subscriptions do you have that do not include other
> > advertisements?
> >
> > Newspaper...nope tons of ads there...in fact the ads are
> the
> > only reason I buy the Sunday paper.
> >
> > Magazines...again, tons of ads.
> >
> > The CD club where you get 7 CD's for a penny...nope still
> > have forms of advertising including the shipment of the CD
>
> > you really don't want but they hope you'll keep.
> >
> > CableTV...other than premium channels no ads in fact the
> > Cable Company even places ads on the channels they carry.
>
> >
> > So please can someone tell me logically why Sat radio
> would
> > be any different than these subscription models and be
> able
> > to be profitable in the long term? I fully support ads on
>
> > satellite radio, especially as a shareholder.
>
>
> Mr Corporate Apologist, the problem with Sat radio running
> ads on their music channels is that they sucked in a lot of
> subscribers promoting they were "commercial free".
>
> Simple concept but perhaps over the head of a guy who only
> reads the newspaper for the ads.
>
xms music channels are commercial free..what is your point?? sirius is commercial free also..clear channels 5 stations dont count. they are clear channel stations not xm stations..!!!!!!!!!!!!<P ID="signature">______________
note to the NAB..satellite radio..its worth paying for!!</P>
 
> And remember when they lured us all in, they also told us
> we can cancel the service and be refunded the balance.
> Still better than what is on the airwaves!
>
> Nock
>
there is nothing on the airwaves anymore..just 20 songs over and over again with 25 minutes of commercials per hour..targeted at young women..barf!!!!<P ID="signature">______________
note to the NAB..satellite radio..its worth paying for!!</P>
 
Some of what I'm about to say has already been said...But I see some of the people saying it were sort of in attack mode.

First, XM does have commercials on the talk, sports, comedy, and news channels.

Second, it sounds like, since the commercials will be on the Clear Channel stations, I'm guessing XM and its shareholders won't see a dime of the revenue...It'll all continue to line CC's already fattened pockets.

Third, yes, cable does have commercials...But, even their digital music channels are commercial-free.

Now, if XM did add commercials to their other channels, as long as they kept the breaks to say two or three spots at a time, and only did them maybe once an hour, I think they'd still retain their subscriber base. There are other advantages to the music channels on XM, not just the fact that they're commercial-free. For one thing, I'm always hearing songs I haven't heard on FM in years. This happens both on the channels that play deeper cuts as well as the more hits-oriented channels. Also, regardless of what campaigns the NAB runs, I'd swear that, especially with country, I hear new music on XM long before FM touches it. Also, (and I know edited versions of songs serve some purpose somewhere), it's nice to hear Godsmack or Korn without bleeps, or backwards curses, or whatever...Especially if it's a live concert broadcast. I remember in the old days, living in Phoenix, when KUPD or Z-Rock would run live shows. Chances are, a rock band is going to drop an F-bomb on stage, either in a song or during the speaking between songs...It's nice not to hear bleeps every few seconds, which interrupts the flow of the show. Also, XM seems to have more artist interviews than commercial radio, at least here in Seattle.

So, I guess I can see both sides of the issue. Initially, what sold me on XM over Sirius was content. The fact that both offer commercial-free music was also a plus. But, if XM decided to do a couple minutes of spots every hour on the music channels, I don't think it'd cause people to run back to terrestrial radio and cancel their XM subscriptions. And hey, as long as all the channels don't go to break at the same time, it's easy to do like I do with Opie and Anthony...When they go to a break, I flip to another channel, and tune back in after a few minutes.

Hopefully though, if they were to add commercials in general, it'd make them able to keep the subscription price where it's at for a while.

> What subscriptions do you have that do not include other
> advertisements?
>
> Newspaper...nope tons of ads there...in fact the ads are the
> only reason I buy the Sunday paper.
>
> Magazines...again, tons of ads.
>
> The CD club where you get 7 CD's for a penny...nope still
> have forms of advertising including the shipment of the CD
> you really don't want but they hope you'll keep.
>
> CableTV...other than premium channels no ads in fact the
> Cable Company even places ads on the channels they carry.
>
> So please can someone tell me logically why Sat radio would
> be any different than these subscription models and be able
> to be profitable in the long term? I fully support ads on
> satellite radio, especially as a shareholder.
>
 
> > And remember when they lured us all in, they also told us
>
> > we can cancel the service and be refunded the balance.
> > Still better than what is on the airwaves!
> >
> > Nock
> >
> there is nothing on the airwaves anymore..just 20 songs over
> and over again with 25 minutes of commercials per
> hour..targeted at young women..barf!!!!
>

That's what Top 40 radio has been since the early days of radio (after the initial payola scandals). Rock radio targets men. Every radio station targets a certain demo.
 
> > What subscriptions do you have that do not include other
> > advertisements?
> >
> > Newspaper...nope tons of ads there...in fact the ads are
> the
> > only reason I buy the Sunday paper.
> >
> > Magazines...again, tons of ads.
> >
> > The CD club where you get 7 CD's for a penny...nope still
> > have forms of advertising including the shipment of the CD
>
> > you really don't want but they hope you'll keep.
> >
> > CableTV...other than premium channels no ads in fact the
> > Cable Company even places ads on the channels they carry.
>
> >
> > So please can someone tell me logically why Sat radio
> would
> > be any different than these subscription models and be
> able
> > to be profitable in the long term? I fully support ads on
>
> > satellite radio, especially as a shareholder.
>
>
> Mr Corporate Apologist, the problem with Sat radio running
> ads on their music channels is that they sucked in a lot of
> subscribers promoting they were "commercial free".
>
> Simple concept but perhaps over the head of a guy who only
> reads the newspaper for the ads.
>

They were commercial free, though not commercial free for life, that was never stated..just as when I became a subscriber there were commercials on 30 of XM's music channels.

As far as being a corporate appologist, no I'm a capitalist. I believe in making money and making profits. XM and Sirius have yet to do that and in order for them to remain in business they must. Though I'm sure you'd rather see a gov't bailout rather than them adding spots to music stations.
 
> What subscriptions do you have that do not include other
> advertisements?

Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy.

Federalist Society "ABA Watch" newsletter.

Engage: The Journal of the Federalist Society's Practice Groups

> So please can someone tell me logically why Sat radio would
> be any different than these subscription models and be able
> to be profitable in the long term? I fully support ads on
> satellite radio, especially as a shareholder.

No one is denying their ability to be profitable.

But they cannot advertise commercial-free music channels, entice people like me to subscribe and purchase the equipment, and then turn around and air commercials. I have reasonably relied on commercial-free music when I entered into a contract with XM. XM may not now change their position and offer commercials on their music channels to my detriment.

That is the issue. If XM wanted to retain the right to put commercials on music channels, fine. But don't advertise no commercials to entice people to subscribe.
 
> > > And remember when they lured us all in, they also told
> us
> >
> > > we can cancel the service and be refunded the balance.
> > > Still better than what is on the airwaves!
> > >
> > > Nock
> > >
> > there is nothing on the airwaves anymore..just 20 songs
> over
> > and over again with 25 minutes of commercials per
> > hour..targeted at young women..barf!!!!
> >
>
> That's what Top 40 radio has been since the early days of
> radio (after the initial payola scandals). Rock radio
> targets men. Every radio station targets a certain demo.
>
Consumer Reports...no ads.
 
> I fully support ads on satellite radio, especially as a shareholder.

I fully support increasing the subscription rates, especially as a listener.
I would not be considered a high income type,
but I would not complain about paying an extra quarter per day.
What can one do with 15¢ or 25¢? Nothing! Nothing!
Time is all we really have in life, and I want mine to be as stressless or stress-free as possible.
Working for pocket change is much less stressfull than having to wait for an hour of commercials per day to end - based on six minutes of commercials per hour throughout a ten hour workshift.<P ID="signature">______________
Proud 2 B a pioneering satellite radio subs¢riber
Ai4i is always on the trailing edge of technology
______________</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by ai4i on 03/21/06 01:54 AM.</FONT></P>
 
They have sold themselves and based their whole service on the fact that they have commercial free music. To take that away would render everything they've said about themselves for years useless. I can't see them doing that.

Plus, I have to question how profitable ads would really be? I listen to XM stations with ads and they don't get top notch advertisers... Carburetor makers? Plus I hear mostly all promos to fill up breaks. I have to imagine they are trying to fill that inventory with spots.
 
Status
This thread has been closed due to inactivity. You can create a new thread to discuss this topic.


Back
Top Bottom