Unfortunately, I agree. I personally am eighteen, and I am well aware that there will eventually come a day when the pop hits of my generation are considered "classic hits". I love radio, but I will no longer be a consumer when that music takes over music. I used to always listen to an AM radio station which carted to 50's and 60's oldies, but in recent years they have dramatically adapted the format. You will still hear a few great 1960's songs, but the majority of the playlist is awash boring 1970's and 1980's music that I really do not care for (i.e, Elton John ballads, Micheal Jackson hits). It will be interesting to see what kind of music one can find on their radio in the future.
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Ottawa's 106.9 The Bear shuts down
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Unfortunately, I agree. I personally am eighteen, and I am well aware that there will eventually come a day when the pop hits of my generation are considered "classic hits". I love radio, but I will no longer be a consumer when that music takes over music. I used to always listen to an AM radio station which carted to 50's and 60's oldies, but in recent years they have dramatically adapted the format. You will still hear a few great 1960's songs, but the majority of the playlist is awash boring 1970's and 1980's music that I really do not care for (i.e, Elton John ballads, Micheal Jackson hits). It will be interesting to see what kind of music one can find on their radio in the future.
When Q107 Toronto was "Pure Rock" I didn't mind the variety of rock, as long as current rock was not ignored.
I think the real problem with "classic" rock is that, when not programmed properly, it gets stuck in a rut of same songs over and over, rather than exploring an expanded playlist.
I personally like Q107 the way it is right now. Classic. One classic rock radio station that does a particular good job of exploring an expanded playlist is KZOK 102.5 in Seattle, Washington. While they stick to classic rock hits, its clear to see that the on air personalities care about the music, and every DJ has an "all request" hour where they will play just about anything you want. I wish there were more classic rock radio stations out there that would do the same.
I personally like Q107 the way it is right now. Classic. One classic rock radio station that does a particular good job of exploring an expanded playlist is KZOK 102.5 in Seattle, Washington. While they stick to classic rock hits, its clear to see that the on air personalities care about the music, and every DJ has an "all request" hour where they will play just about anything you want. I wish there were more classic rock radio stations out there that would do the same.
...and that would indeed be comparing an American station to a Canadian one. Q107 is stuck having to play 35-40% Can con. (Canadian content)
The American radio station is free to not have to bother.
As a result, you have two very different Classic Rock stations. (in respect to music)
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Yeah because what Canada needs is more stations that sound like American stations - CanCon is a valid rule that helps ensure the publicizing and growth of Canadian music. That's why despite certain politician's wishes to the contrary, we aren't simply North USA.
Yeah because what Canada needs is more stations that sound like American stations - CanCon is a valid rule that helps ensure the publicizing and growth of Canadian music. That's why despite certain politician's wishes to the contrary, we aren't simply North USA.
...and that would indeed be comparing an American station to a Canadian one. Q107 is stuck having to play 35-40% Can con. (Canadian content)
The American radio station is free to not have to bother.
As a result, you have two very different Classic Rock stations. (in respect to music)
Thats not exactly the point that I was trying to make. CFMI in Vancouver (owned by Chorus) keeps a rather dry format compared to other classic rock stations. Yes, they must comply with content laws, but the other portion of their playlist is rather "cut and dry". I still listen, though.
Although different, there are still many avenues to compare how each station operates.
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Again, that's not the point i'm trying to make. There are plenty of classic rock radio stations existing in the United States that have a dry format with a small playlist. I'm simply highlighting an example of one station that I have sampled that really seems to connect well with listeners. I think it would be a welcome change for more stations to have that same kind of "connection" with the audience. Another example of an excellent station that connects well with the audience, while retaining a refreshing playlist is CKKQ 100.3 in Victoria. If the content law dissolved, I think it would be a travesty to eliminate the music that allows the station to comply with the old content standard.
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Yeah because what Canada needs is more stations that sound like American stations - CanCon is a valid rule that helps ensure the publicizing and growth of Canadian music. That's why despite certain politician's wishes to the contrary, we aren't simply North USA.
If the music was so great it wouldn't need a dictatorship now would it? What's next? Dictating how many radio announcers a radio station in Canada must have? It's only fair. Protecting the music should also mean protecting those who promote the music!
If the music was so great it wouldn't need a dictatorship now would it? What's next? Dictating how many radio announcers a radio station in Canada must have? It's only fair. Protecting the music should also mean protecting those who promote the music!
If I were to program CHEZ in Ottawa as a classic rock station without having to worry about content regulations, I would personally add back in most of the music that would satisfy the content rule (in this scenario). I personally like most of the music that content regulations require. However, i'm sure there are many people who do not care for that policy.
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CanCon allowed the music to become familiar in the first place. Unless you are advocating for cultural homogeny, the facts are that CanCon used properly promotes the development of Canadian talent. The stations still choose what to play. I see no harm in a law that simply says that a station, whatever its format, uses some of that airtime to, within its format, support talent in its homeland. In the same spirit, I would support licensing preferences in the US for stations that committed to local as opposed to networked programming. This isn't lessening choice, it's increasing it and making better use of limited spectrum which, by the way, is to operate in the interest of the public and is not owned by Corus, Newcap, or Clear Channel.
CanCon allowed the music to become familiar in the first place. Unless you are advocating for cultural homogeny, the facts are that CanCon used properly promotes the development of Canadian talent. The stations still choose what to play. I see no harm in a law that simply says that a station, whatever its format, uses some of that airtime to, within its format, support talent in its homeland. In the same spirit, I would support licensing preferences in the US for stations that committed to local as opposed to networked programming. This isn't lessening choice, it's increasing it and making better use of limited spectrum which, by the way, is to operate in the interest of the public and is not owned by Corus, Newcap, or Clear Channel.
CanCon allowed the music to become familiar in the first place. Unless you are advocating for cultural homogeny, the facts are that CanCon used properly promotes the development of Canadian talent. The stations still choose what to play. I see no harm in a law that simply says that a station, whatever its format, uses some of that airtime to, within its format, support talent in its homeland. In the same spirit, I would support licensing preferences in the US for stations that committed to local as opposed to networked programming. This isn't lessening choice, it's increasing it and making better use of limited spectrum which, by the way, is to operate in the interest of the public and is not owned by Corus, Newcap, or Clear Channel.
The problem is that now the CRTC may expand into 40% Can Con for all Canadian stations. (up from the current 35-40%)
Whether they do or not, I think we should agree that
1) AM radio deserves a major break. It's tough enough to get listeners to listen to AM music radio these days.
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2) Radio stations close enough to a border have too much competition with American radio stations. Perhaps grant them a break by cutting it back to 25%. or something...
(they can still do 30-40% freely if desired)
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The problem is that now the CRTC may expand into 40% Can Con for all Canadian stations. (up from the current 35-40%)
Whether they do or not, I think we should agree that
1) AM radio deserves a major break. It's tough enough to get listeners to listen to AM music radio these days.
and
2) Radio stations close enough to a border have too much competition with American radio stations. Perhaps grant them a break by cutting it back to 25%. or something...
(they can still do 30-40% freely if desired)
point #2 - they already do in Windsor... I think it's 20%...
point #2 - they already do in Windsor... I think it's 20%...
On CKWW? I think CKWW has the perfect playlist.
On CKWW? I think CKWW has the perfect playlist.
If it's true that CKWW is more free to play less Can Con, then yes indeed the station will sound a lot better.
If it's true that CKWW is more free to play less Can Con, then yes indeed the station will sound a lot better.
CISL 650 in Vancouver used to be an excellent station before they adopted more of an "adult standards" format over straight up oldies. They played a lot of great music that I never heard before. Music like "Blue Northern" (a band local to Vancouver in the early 1980's), Barefoot, Edward Bear, solo Burton Cummings. Of course, they played a lot of music that I did not care for thanks to CanCon. I personally think that CanCon works JUST fine as long as the station is putting effort into making it work for the listeners. I also think that its easier for CanCon to work well on classic rock radio stations because there is such an abundance of Canadian rock available. Most of which I tend to like, some of it I don't.
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