Our Poor 1190

[LibertyNT]

Once The Most Popular and Imitated Station in America
Now A bit of Moldy Cheese under Clear Channels Back Room
Desk. CNN HAs NO Ratings on 1190 So Far. KFXR Is now the Worlds
Most Wasted 50 KW Signal. Why DId Clear Channel do this?
Why didnt Radio One Keep Mighty 1190 like
it was Doing. Why Didnt Clear channel Keep The Classic
Country "Cowboy 1190" That Radio One Did? Why did
KLIF Move to 570? Why On Earth Have the people that have Owned
1190 After Mclendon make Such poor Choices?

 

[Neil56]

I totally agree. I liked the "rock and roldies" format and they could have done so much with that. They could at least have picked up the True Oldies format. Classic country wasn't bad either. But no, they had to turn it into TV sound. Such a waste.

 

[nuzguy]

It's their way"of showing the world who is running the show now. Perhaps the once great status of KLIF 1190 is the reason for the downfall--because those who know everything are in control...or out of control as the case may be. Agreed, though--a once terrific call sign and frequency are in a shambles.

 

[Jay Weaver]

It shows the world just how smart corporate radio is. It's ashame what has happen to (fill in the blank with another one) 1190.

Jay :'(

 

[Marv-L.A.]

That's what happens when beancounters run the show while brilliant 'radio folks' get thrown under the bus.

 

[ajhenderson]

Wasn't CC leasing it? I would think part of the problem is that marginal nighttime pattern.

 

[Mediafrog+]

As much as we lament the glory days of 1190, those were decades ago...and its an AM signal...on a band that is a technological dinosaur that has been abandoned by most radio listeners for a variety of reasons, most particularly sound quality and reception issues.

The best path for 1190 in the past few years would have been the (never-launched) Urban Gospel format that Radio One was going to put on KJOI. The signal would have been perfect for that.

 

[kzewdude]

If only Clear Channel had taken 1190 talk with Rush Limbaugh, etc. Guess it made too much sense. Or maybe it's the, gulp, Cliff curse?

 

[rbrucecarter5]

As much as we lament the glory days of 1190, those were decades ago...and its an AM signal...on a band that is a technological dinosaur that has been abandoned by most radio listeners for a variety of reasons, most particularly sound quality and reception issues.

The best path for 1190 in the past few years would have been the (never-launched) Urban Gospel format that Radio One was going to put on KJOI. The signal would have been perfect for that.

Bleah! Urban Gospel??? YUK! Who cares???? I'm a Christian believer but I can't stand that stuff! 1190 was actually listenable when it was classic oldies - perhaps KLUV should buy it and put their HD-2 signal there as a promotion for HD radio.

 

[MikeShannon914]

Bleah! Urban Gospel??? YUK! Who cares???? I'm a Christian believer but I can't stand that stuff! 1190 was actually listenable when it was classic oldies - perhaps KLUV should buy it and put their HD-2 signal there as a promotion for HD radio.

Hmmm...that might not be a bad idea. They could do a daily/weekly/whatever sampling of all the local CBS HD programming to try to entice listeners to invest in HD Radios. Shoot, CC could do that already, since they still own the thing. Adding another station might put CBS over their local limit (?) (Of course, CBS already has some disposable time on the AM they already DO own...)

But honestly, I think part of the attraction of 1190 as an All-Beatles station, or a Rock-n-Rolldies station, was that they didn't play spots. That was as much a part of MY listening interest as the music was. Same for KMGS-1160 when they played Smokin' Oldies.

Speaking of failed stations on the AM band, does anyone on here ever listen regularly to Dan Patrick's 1160, or Salem's 660? Seems like both had some promise, judging by the interest on the first day or two...then it was all over by then. Why didn't 660 ever become a conservative talk contender?

 

[davideduardo]

As much as we lament the glory days of 1190, those were decades ago...and its an AM signal...on a band that is a technological dinosaur that has been abandoned by most radio listeners for a variety of reasons, most particularly sound quality and reception issues.

The best path for 1190 in the past few years would have been the (never-launched) Urban Gospel format that Radio One was going to put on KJOI. The signal would have been perfect for that.

Bleah! Urban Gospel??? YUK! Who cares????

Who cares? Just because you don't does not mean that a large and significant part of the Black community will not be interested in this kind of format.

I'm a Christian believer but I can't stand that stuff!

I didn't realize you were Black. My bad.

1190 was actually listenable when it was classic oldies

Nearly nobody in the entire metro agreed with you. There is no interest in this type of music on AM.

- perhaps KLUV should buy it and put their HD-2 signal there as a promotion for HD radio.

The original suggestion was excellent. Probably the largest hole in the market today is Urban (Black) gospel.

 

[little1]

Why didn't 660 ever become a conservative talk contender?

Because most of their hosts are peeps that failed already on other stations?

 

[salemjedi54]

As much as we lament the glory days of 1190, those were decades ago...and its an AM signal...on a band that is a technological dinosaur that has been abandoned by most radio listeners for a variety of reasons, most particularly sound quality and reception issues.

The best path for 1190 in the past few years would have been the (never-launched) Urban Gospel format that Radio One was going to put on KJOI. The signal would have been perfect for that.

Bleah! Urban Gospel??? YUK! Who cares???? I'm a Christian believer but I can't stand that stuff! 1190 was actually listenable when it was classic oldies - perhaps KLUV should buy it and put their HD-2 signal there as a promotion for HD radio.

I care. I don't like the music that KLTY plays, but I don't slam it. Everyone has their musical tastes, but you don't have to down a whole genre of music that has uplifted a race of people for over 400 years.

 

[LibertyNT]

1190 was actually listenable when it was classic oldies

Nearly nobody in the entire metro agreed with you. There is no interest in this type of music on AM.

Eduardo Thats Where you are Wrong.
Many People liked the Classic Oldies 1190 Was Playing.
And where do you get the idea no one wants this type
of music on AM? So far its the only place to find alot of good
oldies Stations. What do you think AM is For? Talk, Spanish, Religion?
NO its great for MUsic Too.

 

[johnsummers]

Sorry Bruce, the reason CBS sold 1190 in...what...2001 was because of ownership rules, I believe...we had too many stations, so we sold off the least of those. Some of the more knowledgeable among you could correct me if I'm wrong. I do remember though, that 1.2 share 25-54 in the summer of 2000,with 'Smokin' Oldies' and Imus In The Morning...I think that was the last time that frequency had numbers of any kind. Granted, that was almost a decade ago and things were different......but, with no nightttime signal to speak of.....who cares!!

 

[CCEX]

I have to say that I was somewhat surprised to see the David Eduardo post. I realize that opinions are what make this board what it is but to see the racial slant from one who is a preacher of the "Spanish-Language" deal just rubs me the wrong way.

I located the David Gleason website and found the chest-thumping to be a bit over the top. For a consultant to have enough time to post over 13,000 times (on this board alone!) (and not to mention the 1,000's of posts on various newsgroups), the know-it-all attitude is wearing thin. How nice to know that it took D.E. over 10 years to finish high school. I can appreciate that David has found a way to make a living in radio ... we should all be so lucky.

David should limit the amount of time he keeps his nose up in the air to the rest of us ... he might just drown.

 

[CW]

Sorry Bruce, the reason CBS sold 1190 in...what...2001 was because of ownership rules, I believe...we had too many stations, so we sold off the least of those. Some of the more knowledgeable among you could correct me if I'm wrong. I do remember though, that 1.2 share 25-54 in the summer of 2000,with 'Smokin' Oldies' and Imus In The Morning...I think that was the last time that frequency had numbers of any kind. Granted, that was almost a decade ago and things were different......but, with no nightttime signal to speak of.....who cares!!

CBS sold it in 2000 to Radio One who kept the Oldies format on it from a Scott Studio machine...never flipping it to Gospel (even though the callsign had been flipped to KJOI)...then CC LMA'ed it from RO in Jan 01 while buying it.....and flipped it to KTRA...(and thats when I found my fourlegged friend at the Irving dump, next to the 1190 day site...and he is now 8 years old and still my best 4legged friend...only 90lbs now and still best security system I could ever have! but man I wish I could deduct him on my taxes ...Personally, I thought the OLDIES was fine...it sounded good (stereo would have been nice but I doubt the night site would work with CQUAM)

Only reason CC bought it (for $18mill!) was so Lowery Mays could hear his great A&M football in DFW when in town...GEESH what a waste of money.....even Gil Garcia, VP of Engineering of CC, was asking, how long ya think the ROI (Return of Investment) of this will be?? NEVER!!! and so far, he's been right! 1190 will NEVER pay for itself.....I think a talk format on it would work daytime (Rush on a 50KW AM??? Just think about it)....the night signal sucks in N Dallas but NOONE listens to talk AM after sunset (even KLIF I bet!! Ticket is lucky because their pattern, when all their towers are up, blows through N Dallas but leaves Ft Worth in the dark....so to speak ....so who cares???

 

[JayW]

Sorry Bruce, the reason CBS sold 1190 in...what...2001 was because of ownership rules, I believe...we had too many stations, so we sold off the least of those. Some of the more knowledgeable among you could correct me if I'm wrong. I do remember though, that 1.2 share 25-54 in the summer of 2000,with 'Smokin' Oldies' and Imus In The Morning...I think that was the last time that frequency had numbers of any kind. Granted, that was almost a decade ago and things were different......but, with no nightttime signal to speak of.....who cares!!

The best thing 1190 could do with the night pattern is shut down the 5kw Rockwall site and see if they can get 1kw from the Irving site. As it stands now the night time signal blasts down I-30 but is just about wide enough to cover curb to curb. In the growth counties Collin, Denton etc, 1190 is a no show on the dial. The same poor signal problem also affects 660, 770, and in far north Collin county 570. 1190 running 1kw from the Hunter Ferrel site would at least increase the signal penetration north of LBJ and might even cover Plano.

 

[CW]

Sorry Bruce, the reason CBS sold 1190 in...what...2001 was because of ownership rules, I believe...we had too many stations, so we sold off the least of those. Some of the more knowledgeable among you could correct me if I'm wrong. I do remember though, that 1.2 share 25-54 in the summer of 2000,with 'Smokin' Oldies' and Imus In The Morning...I think that was the last time that frequency had numbers of any kind. Granted, that was almost a decade ago and things were different......but, with no nightttime signal to speak of.....who cares!!

The best thing 1190 could do with the night pattern is shut down the 5kw Rockwall site and see if they can get 1kw from the Irving site. As it stands now the night time signal blasts down I-30 but is just about wide enough to cover curb to curb. In the growth counties Collin, Denton etc, 1190 is a no show on the dial. The same poor signal problem also affects 660, 770, and in far north Collin county 570. 1190 running 1kw from the Hunter Ferrel site would at least increase the signal penetration north of LBJ and might even cover Plano.

Dave Hultsman at Continental said they once looked at that option.....but an unbuilt but allocated Canadian 1190 prevented them.....NOW with WOWO downgraded and with CC also owning KEX which is the 1A station Dallas had to protect, there is NO reason why the Rockwall site could be opened on the NW side of the pattern.....And that site is 75KW ERP at night.....with the opening of the NW quadrant toward N Dallas/Plano, that would solve the issue....1KW at the day site may be doable now but opening the night site up would still keep the killer signal to the west into Ft Worth but also bring in N Dallas with a stronger signal than 1KW from Irving...(BTW I did run the day site at 1KW night once....it was weaker in N Dallas than I expected.....The night site with the pattern opened up in the NW direction would be better and cheaper costs wise...BUT if they could get the day site to cover better; say maybe 2.5 or 5KW, they could sell the night site for tons of cash!!!)

 

[busyradioguy]

1190 was actually listenable when it was classic oldies

Nearly nobody in the entire metro agreed with you. There is no interest in this type of music on AM.

Eduardo Thats Where you are Wrong.
Many People liked the Classic Oldies 1190 Was Playing.
And where do you get the idea no one wants this type
of music on AM? So far its the only place to find alot of good
oldies Stations. What do you think AM is For? Talk, Spanish, Religion?
NO its great for MUsic Too.

D.E. thinks, talks, eats and breathes like a con-sultant. That's what all con-sultants do best... Or maybe that's all they do, period. ???

Next thing you know... "Nobody listens to God radio, so the lamguage-not-a-format doesn't sell well with advertisers. Meanwhile, The Devil gets a consistant 3.5 share in almost every book". :

10 years to finish high school, eh? I'd hate to see his GPA in college.