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Whenever I visit Pittsburgh, I never listen to DVE, the X, K-Rock, KDKA, or the talk at 104.7. Never. I have absolutely no interested in Stern, DLR, BTLS, or talk radio. I Guess I'm just out of it.

In Tampa, I have no interest in 98 Rock, the Bone. or 97X. I never listen to WFLA. I never heard BTLS one time and I never heard Fisher either.

Can somebody tell me why the developments in Rock radio and Tock radio are the most frequently dissected formats on most boards ?
 
> Whenever I visit Pittsburgh, I never listen to DVE, the X,
> K-Rock, KDKA, or the talk at 104.7. Never. I have absolutely
> no interested in Stern, DLR, BTLS, or talk radio. I Guess
> I'm just out of it.
>
> In Tampa, I have no interest in 98 Rock, the Bone. or 97X.
> I never listen to WFLA. I never heard BTLS one time and I
> never heard Fisher either.
>
> Can somebody tell me why the developments in Rock radio
> and Tock radio are the most frequently dissected formats on
> most boards ?
>
Because most of us aren't you. Your guess about being out of it is probably correct. Don't feel bad, it happens to a lot of us.

Rock and talk radio are the dominant formats, even if they don't appeal to you. Hence, they get discussed more than less dominant formats.

I'd try to start a discussion on NPR, but neither of WDUQ's other listeners post here.
 
> > Whenever I visit Pittsburgh, I never listen to DVE, the X,
>
> > K-Rock, KDKA, or the talk at 104.7. Never. I have
> absolutely
> > no interested in Stern, DLR, BTLS, or talk radio. I Guess
> > I'm just out of it.
> >
> > In Tampa, I have no interest in 98 Rock, the Bone. or
> 97X.
> > I never listen to WFLA. I never heard BTLS one time and I
> > never heard Fisher either.
> >
> > Can somebody tell me why the developments in Rock radio
> > and Tock radio are the most frequently dissected formats
> on
> > most boards ?
> >
> Because most of us aren't you. Your guess about being out of
> it is probably correct. Don't feel bad, it happens to a lot
> of us.
>
> Rock and talk radio are the dominant formats, even if they
> don't appeal to you. Hence, they get discussed more than
> less dominant formats.
>
> I'd try to start a discussion on NPR, but neither of WDUQ's
> other listeners post here.

The subjects that get my interest are the demise of 50's and 60's oldies , the demise of true soft AC except in Tampa, and any discussion of the great AM Top 40 stations that we all call legendary. Guess I'm about ready for Geritol if they even still make it
 
> > > Whenever I visit Pittsburgh, I never listen to DVE, the
> X,
> >
> > > K-Rock, KDKA, or the talk at 104.7. Never. I have
> > absolutely
> > > no interested in Stern, DLR, BTLS, or talk radio. I
> Guess
> > > I'm just out of it.
> > >
> > > In Tampa, I have no interest in 98 Rock, the Bone. or
> > 97X.
> > > I never listen to WFLA. I never heard BTLS one time and
> I
> > > never heard Fisher either.
> > >
> > > Can somebody tell me why the developments in Rock
> radio
> > > and Tock radio are the most frequently dissected formats
>
> > on
> > > most boards ?
> > >
> > Because most of us aren't you. Your guess about being out
> of
> > it is probably correct. Don't feel bad, it happens to a
> lot
> > of us.
> >
> > Rock and talk radio are the dominant formats, even if they
>
> > don't appeal to you. Hence, they get discussed more than
> > less dominant formats.
> >
> > I'd try to start a discussion on NPR, but neither of
> WDUQ's
> > other listeners post here.
>
> The subjects that get my interest are the demise of 50's
> and 60's oldies , the demise of true soft AC except in
> Tampa, and any discussion of the great AM Top 40 stations
> that we all call legendary. Guess I'm about ready for
> Geritol if they even still make it

There are other forums that specialize in radio nostalgia. I would like to be able to listen to scripted radio comedies and dramas, of the kind that were the standard broadcast fare in the Golden Age of radio. But I realize that waxing nostalgic over programs that are almost six decades old like "The Bickersons" isn't appropriate in here.
 
> The subjects that get my interest are the demise of 50's
> and 60's oldies , the demise of true soft AC except in
> Tampa, and any discussion of the great AM Top 40 stations
> that we all call legendary. Guess I'm about ready for
> Geritol if they even still make it


That means there are at least two of us! Betcha there are many more either lurking or who've given up looking in frustration. In any event, you're not alone.
 
First of all, you are hardly "out of it." But I understand your frustration.

Let me digress, first ... Geritol still exists. From Wikipedia:

"Geritol is the name of an American vitamin and mineral supplement. The name is derived from the root 'geri-', meaning old (as in "geriatrics") with the 'i' for iron. The product has been promoted from almost the beginning of the mass media era as a cure for 'iron-poor tired blood'. In the early 20th century, many medical doctors and other health professionals felt that much of the tiredness often associated with old age was due to iron deficiency anemia. This theory was later discredited, but Geritol was already well known and continued to be marketed, in both original liquid form and in tablets. In the early days of television the marketing of Geritol was somewhat tied into the quiz show scandal, since Geritol sponsored the show proven to be the most thoroughly corrupted, Twenty-One. After that, for many years Geritol was largely marketed on television programs that appealed primarily to older viewers, such as The Lawrence Welk Show and Ted Mack and the Original Amateur Hour. The product is now owned by the multinational pharmaceutical firm GlaxoSmithKline."

OK, thanks for allowing me to digress. Now ...

> > The subjects that get my interest are the demise of 50's
> > and 60's oldies

Actually, I'm surprised there isn't more discussion of the demise of '50s and '60s oldies. But that would awaken some of our readers who deal with it such oldies on a daily basis, on such outlets as WKHB-AM 620, WKFB-AM 770, WLSW-FM 103.9 (and its simulcast on WQTW-AM 1570) and I could go on.

> > the demise of true soft AC except in Tampa

That's an interesting topic for me, as my wife's favorite stations include WSHH-FM 99.7 (which I pre-set along with WLTJ-FM 92.9 on my FM jukebox list). I seem to recall WSHH had enough listeners overall that it placed fifth or sixth on the last Arbitrends in this market. Of course, would you call "Soft Rock" true soft AC? I don't know.

> > and any discussion of the great AM Top 40 stations
> > that we all call legendary.

It could be that in Pittsburgh, nothing vaguely resembling "great AM Top 40" exists. There used to be a wild weekend show on a college station here, "Radio 9," on WRCT-FM 88.3, that had the look and feel of "great AM Top 40."

> There are other forums that specialize in radio nostalgia. I
> would like to be able to listen to scripted radio comedies
> and dramas, of the kind that were the standard broadcast
> fare in the Golden Age of radio. But I realize that waxing
> nostalgic over programs that are almost six decades old like
> "The Bickersons" isn't appropriate in here.

As an occasional listener to both "Golden Age Of Radio" on WEDO-AM 810 and "When Radio Was" on KQV-AM 1410 (and I think weekends on WMBS-AM 590) ... Amen.
 
The format's dying (and, in many markets, already DOA).

>
> Can somebody tell me why the developments in Rock radio
> and Tock radio are the most frequently dissected formats on
> most boards ?
>
 
> > > The subjects that get my interest are the demise of 50's
>
> > > and 60's oldies
>
> Actually, I'm surprised there isn't more discussion of the
> demise of '50s and '60s oldies. But that would awaken some
> of our readers who deal with it such oldies on a daily
> basis, on such outlets as WKHB-AM 620, WKFB-AM 770, WLSW-FM
> 103.9 (and its simulcast on WQTW-AM 1570) and I could go on.

I think that when any genre of music makes the transition from very highly rated, mass-market stations to stations that cater to shrinking "niche" markets, that transition is one of the signs of the genre in question meeting its demise. That's also the pattern that Big Band music from the 30's and 40's went through. As an old guy who came of age when the music of the 50's and 60's was "today's" music, I can now understand how my parents felt when music of such artists as the Dorsey Brothers, Glenn Miller, and all the rest of the stars of that era almost completely disappeared.

>
> > > the demise of true soft AC except in Tampa
>
> That's an interesting topic for me, as my wife's favorite
> stations include WSHH-FM 99.7 (which I pre-set along with
> WLTJ-FM 92.9 on my FM jukebox list). I seem to recall WSHH
> had enough listeners overall that it placed fifth or sixth
> on the last Arbitrends in this market. Of course, would you
> call "Soft Rock" true soft AC? I don't know.

Didn't "Soft Adult Contemporary" refer to the genre of music typified by the lounge singers like John Davidson, Robert Goulet, Peggy Lee, and all those other Vegas-style entertainers? Wasn't "Soft Adult Contemporary" where the former teen idols like Bobby Rydell graduated to when the got old (like in their 30's)?

> > > and any discussion of the great AM Top 40 stations
> > > that we all call legendary.
>
> It could be that in Pittsburgh, nothing vaguely resembling
> "great AM Top 40" exists. There used to be a wild weekend
> show on a college station here, "Radio 9," on WRCT-FM 88.3,
> that had the look and feel of "great AM Top 40."
>
> > There are other forums that specialize in radio nostalgia.
> I
> > would like to be able to listen to scripted radio comedies
>
> > and dramas, of the kind that were the standard broadcast
> > fare in the Golden Age of radio. But I realize that waxing
>
> > nostalgic over programs that are almost six decades old
> like
> > "The Bickersons" isn't appropriate in here.
>
> As an occasional listener to both "Golden Age Of Radio" on
> WEDO-AM 810 and "When Radio Was" on KQV-AM 1410 (and I think
> weekends on WMBS-AM 590) ... Amen.

The thing is, enjoying listing to it is one thing. Attempting to discuss it in a forum primarily inhabited by those who are only interested in current, mass-audience radio broadcasting seems an exercise in futility.
 
> > > > The subjects that get my interest are the demise of
> 50's
> >
> > > > and 60's oldies
> >
> > Actually, I'm surprised there isn't more discussion of the
>
> > demise of '50s and '60s oldies. But that would awaken some
>
> > of our readers who deal with it such oldies on a daily
> > basis, on such outlets as WKHB-AM 620, WKFB-AM 770,
> WLSW-FM
> > 103.9 (and its simulcast on WQTW-AM 1570) and I could go
> on.
>
> I think that when any genre of music makes the transition
> from very highly rated, mass-market stations to stations
> that cater to shrinking "niche" markets, that transition is
> one of the signs of the genre in question meeting its
> demise. That's also the pattern that Big Band music from the
> 30's and 40's went through. As an old guy who came of age
> when the music of the 50's and 60's was "today's" music, I
> can now understand how my parents felt when music of such
> artists as the Dorsey Brothers, Glenn Miller, and all the
> rest of the stars of that era almost completely disappeared.
>
>
> >
> > > > the demise of true soft AC except in Tampa
> >
> > That's an interesting topic for me, as my wife's favorite
> > stations include WSHH-FM 99.7 (which I pre-set along with
> > WLTJ-FM 92.9 on my FM jukebox list). I seem to recall WSHH
>
> > had enough listeners overall that it placed fifth or sixth
>
> > on the last Arbitrends in this market. Of course, would
> you
> > call "Soft Rock" true soft AC? I don't know.
>
> Didn't "Soft Adult Contemporary" refer to the genre of music
> typified by the lounge singers like John Davidson, Robert
> Goulet, Peggy Lee, and all those other Vegas-style
> entertainers? Wasn't "Soft Adult Contemporary" where the
> former teen idols like Bobby Rydell graduated to when the
> got old (like in their 30's)?
>
> > > > and any discussion of the great AM Top 40 stations
> > > > that we all call legendary.
> >
> > It could be that in Pittsburgh, nothing vaguely resembling
>
> > "great AM Top 40" exists. There used to be a wild weekend
> > show on a college station here, "Radio 9," on WRCT-FM
> 88.3,
> > that had the look and feel of "great AM Top 40."
> >
> > > There are other forums that specialize in radio
> nostalgia.
> > I
> > > would like to be able to listen to scripted radio
> comedies
> >
> > > and dramas, of the kind that were the standard broadcast
>
> > > fare in the Golden Age of radio. But I realize that
> waxing
> >
> > > nostalgic over programs that are almost six decades old
> > like
> > > "The Bickersons" isn't appropriate in here.
> >
> > As an occasional listener to both "Golden Age Of Radio" on
>
> > WEDO-AM 810 and "When Radio Was" on KQV-AM 1410 (and I
> think
> > weekends on WMBS-AM 590) ... Amen.
>
> The thing is, enjoying listing to it is one thing.
> Attempting to discuss it in a forum primarily inhabited by
> those who are only interested in current, mass-audience
> radio broadcasting seems an exercise in futility.
>
Soft AC refers to artists who were being played when the term was coined. They include Neil Diamond, Barry Manilow, Dion Warwick, Kenny Rogers, Barbra,Bread, Air Supply , Gino Vanetti, the Bee Gees, some Beatles, Dan Fogelberg, and on. WDUV in Tampa still has this type of playlist, however it is jockless except for AM drive. Nothing like this exists in Pittsburgh, although WJAS has at times leaned this way.

As for legendary Top 40 in PIttsburgh, we in da Burg had the trial run for WABC and WLS. It was called KQV. Anybody who starts a thread with WABC,KHJ, CKLW, WKBW, and on knows I am joining in. I grew up sitting buy a huge old radio that could pull em in as far away as Iowa at night.

I remember when DVE came on. I thought it was lousy then and I still do. But that's just me. My parents thought KQV was noise.

So shoot me
 
I am obliged to point out that we now have over 40 hours a week of 50's and 60's oldies on 770 KFB (weekdays from sign-on to 9 AM, 1 to 4 PM, and 5 PM to sign-off; Saturdays from Noon to sign-off; Sundays from 4 PM to sign-off).

Also, for some bitchin' 60's automation, complete with old PAMS jingles, check out 770 from 11 AM to Noon weekdays, where I schedule the music by hand, the old-fashioned way.

> > > > The subjects that get my interest are the demise of
> 50's
> >
> > > > and 60's oldies
> >
> > Actually, I'm surprised there isn't more discussion of the
>
> > demise of '50s and '60s oldies. But that would awaken some
>
> > of our readers who deal with it such oldies on a daily
> > basis, on such outlets as WKHB-AM 620, WKFB-AM 770,
> WLSW-FM
> > 103.9 (and its simulcast on WQTW-AM 1570) and I could go
> on.
> > > > and any discussion of the great AM Top 40 stations
> > > > that we all call legendary.
> >
> > It could be that in Pittsburgh, nothing vaguely resembling
>
> > "great AM Top 40" exists. There used to be a wild weekend
> > show on a college station here, "Radio 9," on WRCT-FM
> 88.3,
> > that had the look and feel of "great AM Top 40."
 
> I am obliged to point out that we now have over 40 hours a
> week of 50's and 60's oldies on 770 KFB (weekdays from
> sign-on to 9 AM, 1 to 4 PM, and 5 PM to sign-off; Saturdays
> from Noon to sign-off; Sundays from 4 PM to sign-off).
>
> Also, for some bitchin' 60's automation, complete with old
> PAMS jingles, check out 770 from 11 AM to Noon weekdays,
> where I schedule the music by hand, the old-fashioned way.

I have always said that your stations do an excellent job of re-creating the sound of a bygone era. Your station recreates the radio of the Top-40 era much the same way that Len Hendry does in recreating the sound of music radio of the 1940's on "Let's Dance" or Ken Crawford on "Rhythm Sweet & Hot", both on WDUQ.

I wish someone would do a similar recreation of the "underground" and AOR formats that were my favorites. And, as we all grow older, perhaps someone will realize that would be a good way to sell products to those of us in the latter wave of the Baby Boom.

If any of us are still alive in 40 or 50 years, there will probably be small town AM stations (assuming that band still exists) broadcasting faithful recreations of "Jack" stations.


> > > > > The subjects that get my interest are the demise of
> > 50's
> > >
> > > > > and 60's oldies
> > >
> > > Actually, I'm surprised there isn't more discussion of
> the
> >
> > > demise of '50s and '60s oldies. But that would awaken
> some
> >
> > > of our readers who deal with it such oldies on a daily
> > > basis, on such outlets as WKHB-AM 620, WKFB-AM 770,
> > WLSW-FM
> > > 103.9 (and its simulcast on WQTW-AM 1570) and I could go
>
> > on.
> > > > > and any discussion of the great AM Top 40 stations
> > > > > that we all call legendary.
> > >
> > > It could be that in Pittsburgh, nothing vaguely
> resembling
> >
> > > "great AM Top 40" exists. There used to be a wild
> weekend
> > > show on a college station here, "Radio 9," on WRCT-FM
> > 88.3,
> > > that had the look and feel of "great AM Top 40."
>
 
> > Didn't "Soft Adult Contemporary" refer to the genre of
> music
> > typified by the lounge singers like John Davidson, Robert
> > Goulet, Peggy Lee, and all those other Vegas-style
> > entertainers? Wasn't "Soft Adult Contemporary" where the
> > former teen idols like Bobby Rydell graduated to when the
> > got old (like in their 30's)?

> Soft AC refers to artists who were being played when the
> term was coined. They include Neil Diamond, Barry Manilow,
> Dion Warwick, Kenny Rogers, Barbra,Bread, Air Supply , Gino
> Vanetti, the Bee Gees, some Beatles, Dan Fogelberg, and on.
> WDUV in Tampa still has this type of playlist, however it is
> jockless except for AM drive. Nothing like this exists in
> Pittsburgh, although WJAS has at times leaned this way.

Ok, if those latter generation artists are "Soft AC", what was the term for lounge act music like I described? I know that they had stations that specialized in that kind of music. When I was a kid, my parents subjected me to it what seemed like all the time. Or back in the olden days, could radio stations simply play music that they thought their audiences would like without having an official name given to their format by the Radio Format Naming Commission?
 
I realize there are many people who won't care that we're doing a re-creation, or homage, to the golden era of AM Top 40 radio. But some people will, and it's a lot more interesting than it was two years ago, when 620 was running a legal ID and two weather forecasts between songs, and 770 (nee 1530) was doing roughly the same, and that's about all, folks. We've come a long way, baby.

Who knows, you may get your wish on that "underground" format. Caleb Michaels occasionally does a "progressive" show on 620, usually Sunday nights when he's in the mood.

> I have always said that your stations do an excellent job of
> re-creating the sound of a bygone era. Your station
> recreates the radio of the Top-40 era much the same way that
> Len Hendry does in recreating the sound of music radio of
> the 1940's on "Let's Dance" or Ken Crawford on "Rhythm Sweet
> & Hot", both on WDUQ.
>
> I wish someone would do a similar recreation of the
> "underground" and AOR formats that were my favorites. And,
> as we all grow older, perhaps someone will realize that
> would be a good way to sell products to those of us in the
> latter wave of the Baby Boom.
 
> Whenever I visit Pittsburgh, I never listen to DVE, the X,
> K-Rock, KDKA, or the talk at 104.7. Never. I have absolutely
> no interested in Stern, DLR, BTLS, or talk radio. I Guess
> I'm just out of it.
>
> In Tampa, I have no interest in 98 Rock, the Bone. or 97X.
> I never listen to WFLA. I never heard BTLS one time and I
> never heard Fisher either.
>
> Can somebody tell me why the developments in Rock radio
> and Tock radio are the most frequently dissected formats on
> most boards ?
>

Just goes in cycles. For the longest time, every station in America should have flipped to Urban or Dance if you believed what you read....<P ID="signature">______________
"With God as my witness, I could have sworn turkeys could fly."</P>
 
> > > the demise of true soft AC except in Tampa
>
> That's an interesting topic for me, as my wife's favorite
> stations include WSHH-FM 99.7 (which I pre-set along with
> WLTJ-FM 92.9 on my FM jukebox list). I seem to recall WSHH
> had enough listeners overall that it placed fifth or sixth
> on the last Arbitrends in this market. Of course, would you
> call "Soft Rock" true soft AC? I don't know.
>

No, the #1 station in the Tampa book, WDUV, is almost still beuatiful music (or at least it sounds like LTJ and WLTW did in the early 90's).

Granted, it's another KDKA situation where it's #1 12+ and a non-factor 25-54, but #1 total persons still has to count for something, somewhere...<P ID="signature">______________
"With God as my witness, I could have sworn turkeys could fly."</P>
 
WDUQ ratings (Was: Re: Out of it)

> I'd try to start a discussion on NPR, but neither of WDUQ's
> other listeners post here.

Not quite cricket, old chap.

The latest numbers (Fall 2005) indicate that, were WDUQ rated as a commercial broadcaster, its AQH would place it comfortably between "The X" and ESPN 1250. I shan't post exact numbers, lest the moderator become unhappy.

WDUQ is not quite threatening WDVE, but considering its "format" (or lack thereof), it certainly has acceptable numbers.

Lest I leave you in suspense: The combined WQED/WQEJ numbers put them in WORD-FM territory, whilst WYEP would be just ahead of KQV.
 
Re: WDUQ ratings (Was: Re: Out of it)

Don't you hate it when you make a joke and someone has to come and explain why it isn't really accurate?

> > I'd try to start a discussion on NPR, but neither of
> WDUQ's
> > other listeners post here.
>
> Not quite cricket, old chap.
>
> The latest numbers (Fall 2005) indicate that, were WDUQ
> rated as a commercial broadcaster, its AQH would place it
> comfortably between "The X" and ESPN 1250. I shan't post
> exact numbers, lest the moderator become unhappy.
>
> WDUQ is not quite threatening WDVE, but considering its
> "format" (or lack thereof), it certainly has acceptable
> numbers.
>
> Lest I leave you in suspense: The combined WQED/WQEJ numbers
> put them in WORD-FM territory, whilst WYEP would be just
> ahead of KQV.
>
 
Re: WDUQ ratings (Was: Re: Out of it)

> Don't you hate it when you make a joke and someone has to
> come and explain why it isn't really accurate?

Sorry, old boy. Please let us know the next time you make a joke, so that we know when to laugh.
 
Re: WDUQ ratings (Was: Re: Out of it)

> > I'd try to start a discussion on NPR, but neither of
> WDUQ's
> > other listeners post here.
>
> Not quite cricket, old chap.
>
> The latest numbers (Fall 2005) indicate that, were WDUQ
> rated as a commercial broadcaster, its AQH would place it
> comfortably between "The X" and ESPN 1250. I shan't post
> exact numbers, lest the moderator become unhappy.
>
> WDUQ is not quite threatening WDVE, but considering its
> "format" (or lack thereof), it certainly has acceptable
> numbers.
>
> Lest I leave you in suspense: The combined WQED/WQEJ numbers
> put them in WORD-FM territory, whilst WYEP would be just
> ahead of KQV.

Are these overalls, or demo numbers?
 
Re: WDUQ ratings (Was: Re: Out of it)

> > The latest numbers (Fall 2005) indicate that, were WDUQ
> > rated as a commercial broadcaster, its AQH would place it
> > comfortably between "The X" and ESPN 1250. I shan't post
> > exact numbers, lest the moderator become unhappy.
> >
> > WDUQ is not quite threatening WDVE, but considering its
> > "format" (or lack thereof), it certainly has acceptable
> > numbers.
> >
> > Lest I leave you in suspense: The combined WQED/WQEJ
> > numbers put them in WORD-FM territory, whilst WYEP would
> > be just ahead of KQV.
>
> Are these overalls, or demo numbers?

Those are overall (12-plus) numbers. I'm not privy to demographic or dayparted breakdowns. Looking back to Winter 2004, WQED/WQEJ is down considerably (a whit more than a point), whilst WYEP and WDUQ have remained fairly steady.
 
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