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That hole is the same hole that KSBJ had even with the various translators around SE Texas when they were relaying the main signal on them. KSBJ had to utilize all of those translators just to cover a sizable enough area of the Metro. With the acquisition of 96.9, that was no longer the case as between the two signals, Houston and most of the surrounding areas can now listen to KSBJ without having to scan all over the dial. That is, unless you are too far east of Houston. For grins and giggles, let's say KSBJ buys 90.1. 89.3 would no longer be needed for either the main format or NGEN, so I disagree with you on KSBJ airing NGEN on 89.3 . KSBJ would go to 90.1, covering all of Houston metro and 96.9 would flip to NGEN, with the translators filling in what holes they can. This is why I figure they'd sell 89.3. 90.1's signal covers all of what 89.3 does and so much more.
 
purpledevil said:
For grins and giggles, let's say KSBJ buys 90.1. 89.3 would no longer be needed for either the main format or NGEN, so I disagree with you on KSBJ airing NGEN on 89.3 . KSBJ would go to 90.1, covering all of Houston metro and 96.9 would flip to NGEN, with the translators filling in what holes they can. This is why I figure they'd sell 89.3. 90.1's signal covers all of what 89.3 does and so much more.
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I was thinking of KSBJ diplexing on KPFT's antenna in Fairbanks. That is a whole lot closer to Houston than the Plum Grove transmitter site of KSBJ and KHPT, while still broadcasting a city-grade signal to the COL of Humble. Co-locating KSBJ and KPFT is mutually beneficial, KSBJ has a better signal in SW Houston while it helps KPFT defray the cost of the tower rent by sharing it. I'm sure that 89.3 can be relocated a little closer (but not too close) to Houston even with adjacent channel protections for KUHF and KACC.

If this happened, 99.5 wouldn't be needed before the KXBJ acquisition. The 99.5 translator was actually the source of my pet peeve since it is in the Missouri City antenna farm and it's covering up KISS-FM and KPLX during e-skip. I guess it's the DXer still in me! :)

By comparison, KPFT only has 3 translators in the edges of the Houston market. That's an economical use of scarce resources!

rbruce: I know your enthusiasm of NGEN, but it's on HD-2 which is a lot better than just streaming alone. Maybe in a few years NGEN is the flagship format of KSBJ, but they have done their due dilligence through market research and the Praise & Worship still brings in dollars at this time. Possibly they can add a few NGEN style songs so the format could gradually change over similar to what KODA is doing by adding Top 40 songs such as Bruno Mars in the Soft Rock format.
 
99.5 isn't in the tower farm. It's on a low tower behind the Stafford Center.

As for KPFT, they're not dead yet, and I've lost count of how many times they've been left for dead and still survived.

Pacifica has problems. They've always had problems. But if the national foundation implodes, the local may still survive.

As with the religious broadcasters, the mission is more important to them than the money they might make selling something. Therefore a sale will be the very last option they consider.
 
purpledevil said:
That hole is the same hole that KSBJ had even with the various translators around SE Texas when they were relaying the main signal on them. KSBJ had to utilize all of those translators just to cover a sizable enough area of the Metro. With the acquisition of 96.9, that was no longer the case as between the two signals, Houston and most of the surrounding areas can now listen to KSBJ without having to scan all over the dial. That is, unless you are too far east of Houston. For grins and giggles, let's say KSBJ buys 90.1. 89.3 would no longer be needed for either the main format or NGEN, so I disagree with you on KSBJ airing NGEN on 89.3 . KSBJ would go to 90.1, covering all of Houston metro and 96.9 would flip to NGEN, with the translators filling in what holes they can. This is why I figure they'd sell 89.3. 90.1's signal covers all of what 89.3 does and so much more.
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Nope. 96.9 is a joke. It certainly doesn't reach Cypress and the other areas with anything close to a usable signal. There is no viable over the air outlet for NGEN across a huge swath of Northern, NW Harris County and Montgomery county. HD-2 off of KSBJ reaches what - 100 people who actually have HD radios? I'm glad it is there, but I sometimes get the feeling I am the only person in Harris county who actually has and uses an HD radio. On another thread - nobody but me even noticed KGLK HD-2 was down for two days. So - yeah - KSBJ needs more than just 96.9. BADLY. As for the ratings, I for one can't find a single KSBJ listener in my church, which is large. Very large and well known. They hate the slow boring music, and either listen to secular stations or iPods. ALL - as in ALL - the church people I talked to were aware of NGEN and wished like heck they could get it over the air. Some tough out streaming it. Most of the church people I talked to are in their 30's through 50's. So I don't know where the KSBJ ratings are coming from.
 
96.9 reaches Austin, Fort Bend, and Washington counties with a usable signal, so you saying it doesn't reach northwestern areas of the Metro is inaccurate. If we're still playing what ifs with KSBJ buying and moving to 90.1, then you are also not considering KWUP which would most certainly become an NGEN outlet as well serving the northern areas of the Metro.

I think you're forgetting that KSBJ does need KXBJ as long as KSBJ resides at 89.3, but that wouldn't be the case with 90.1. KSBJ didn't buy 96.9 to serve anything other than the southern parts of Houston that 89.3 couldn't reach. 90.1 would solve that problem, resulting in the main praise format being aired on one signal, covering the entire area, and the rest of KSBJ's/KPFT's translators and lower power signals airing the NGEN format.
 
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96.9 reaches Austin, Fort Bend, and Washington counties with a usable signal, so you saying it doesn't reach northwestern areas of the Metro is inaccurate. If we're still playing what ifs with KSBJ buying and moving to 90.1, then you are also not considering KWUP which would most certainly become an NGEN outlet as well serving the northern areas of the Metro.

I think you're forgetting that KSBJ does need KXBJ as long as KSBJ resides at 89.3, but that wouldn't be the case with 90.1. KSBJ didn't buy 96.9 to serve anything other than the southern parts of Houston that 89.3 couldn't reach. 90.1 would solve that problem, resulting in the main praise format being aired on one signal, covering the entire area, and the rest of KSBJ's/KPFT's translators and lower power signals airing the NGEN format.
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Nope. KWUP is extremely weak deep fringe in Cypress. It doesn't put a usable signal over any part of Harris, Montgomery, or Walker County. Most of the time fighting it out with KCOL Beaumont. It is basically useless except for Navasota / College Station, for which it was designed.
 
Whatever happens with KPFT, let's remember that KSBJ's antenna is located way up north for a reason. It couldn't be moved to the Fairbanks-North Houston site, or for that matter, anything further south of where they are located because of spacing requirements to KUHF.

What's possible, however, is a frequency swap between KPFT and KSBJ. The unknown factors in such a deal are how badly KPFT needs a cash infusion, if at all, and how much KSBJ would be willing to pay to get a much better signal over the Houston area. I emphasize the word "possible," while noting that stranger things have happened. We all may be surprised.
 
Really? Useless signal anywhere other than Navasota and College Station. Tell that to the 50,000 or so in Waller County that are served with that useless signal. They can stand next to the 35,000 Washington County residents that too, have that useless signal readily available on their dial. 92.5 reaches into the western parts of Montgomery and Walker counties as well, so you saying it doesn't reach any portion of either is flat out wrong. Harris County, I'll agree with. We're being hypothetical here, Bruce. It's not even an ideal situation for NGEN in our speculative ramblings, but the only way that NGEN will ever be on a Senior Road stick, or something comparable, is for someone here in Houston to pull out their checkbook and start writing a number followed by a bunch of zeros. The main format is the meal ticket and gets the priority. NGEN is simply the gravy and will never be afforded the same financial backing or signal acquisition priorities that KSBJ will be.
 
Huh, I always thought that KSBJ was protecting KACC, not KUHF. You pose an interesting idea with the signal swap, jd. Now, considering the programming airing on KPFT is the other end of the spectrum from KSBJ's, wouldn't you figure there would be a moral conflict concerning any type of business transactions or dealings between the two? I wouldn't think KSBJ would feel comfortable turning over 89.3 to Pacifica, considering their programming. Money typically talks, but this would most likely be an exception to that rule.
 
Allow me to apologize for my part in it. You are absolutely right, John. I don't know the radio business and regulations the way someone like yourself, who works in the business, so I may ask certain questions that those in radio would find ridiculous or stupid. I'd like to believe that I am neither, and only ask questions when I truly don't know the answer. It's conversations with you and several others here that take the time to speak with me via the main board or through pm's that assist me in educating myself in the hobby I so truly love and have a passion for.

With that said, I think I'm a pretty patient individual. I don't come on these boards and call people names and portray myself as a be all, know all expert on an industry that I've never been a part of. I certainly wouldn't appreciate it if someone tried to tell me they knew more about the Telecom business than me, having never even laid their first phone line. I speak for myself here, and others can agree with me or not, but I've had just about enough of reading about KSBJ's format being trash. We all know he doesn't like KSBJ, "foreign" speakers, or KEYH's format "slop" screwing with his ability to DX an AM station some 200 miles away that isn't even really listened to in its own COL because it has an FM counterpart. I come here to learn and contribute whatever I can, not to be aggravated with reading how bad KSBJ's format is and how useless their various signals are to the community they are serving. Maybe KSBJ can just sell everything to Radio Aleluya and all the signals can just start speaking "foreign". Purpledevil signing off. I don't need my blood pressure being elevated like this all the time.
 
Questions are great. Questions are awesome. You can actually learn a thing or two, even if you've been at this game for awhile, from reading people's questions...

But when this board goes off to the races buying and selling properties that aren't actually being bought and sold...
 
purpledevil said:
With that said, I think I'm a pretty patient individual. I don't come on these boards and call people names

We all know he doesn't like KSBJ, "foreign" speakers, or KEYH's format "slop" screwing with his ability to DX an AM station some 200 miles away that isn't even really listened to in its own COL because it has an FM counterpart. I come here to learn and contribute whatever I can, not to be aggravated with reading how bad KSBJ's format is and how useless their various signals are to the community they are serving. Maybe KSBJ can just sell everything to Radio Aleluya and all the signals can just start speaking "foreign". Purpledevil signing off. I don't need my blood pressure being elevated like this all the time.
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If true, then you might want to think before bullying someone like me online. Probably, if we met face to face, we would get along just fine because we both love radio and therefore have a lot in common. You are probably a nice person who would never think of being a bully to somebody face to face, but you just did it on line. Online bullying is a huge problem - please don't be a part of it!

True - I don't like KSBJ. A non-profit stations relies on listeners for support, and I sent them a blankload of money when they were starting up. I paid for what amounts to Christian CHR and rock - not the lukewarm stuff they play now. They took my money - donated to a station that was always supposed to be the station for young people - and changed the format to exactly what I did not want. Sour grapes? You bet. They wimped out on the music, which betrayed the mission of the station I supported. But - they are trying to right the wrong with NGEN. And that is a good thing.

True - I don't speak foreign. Any foreign - so I'm not singling out any ethnicity. Foreign speak radio does not interest me. It may serve somebody, but I refuse to get all enthusiastic over it, because it doesn't serve me. No crime in that, I've seen other posters REALLY trash things they don't like - like radio Disney, conservative talk shows, etc. They have been a great deal more nasty than just saying "I don't speak foreign" or "I don't care about foreign radio".

True - I complain about KEYH slopping all over KONO. But poster after poster swears up / down and sideways all AM radios cut off at 3 kHz. So - there is no reason why a station like KEYH should slop sidebands all over the adjacents - nobody can hear high frequencies on AM. After all, the HD cartel has pronounced from on high that no AM radio can receive above 3 kHz audio. Naturally their pronouncements are 100% correct. Far be it from me to challenge the engineering expertise of people who designed such a wonderful system as HD-AM. So - KEYH - limit your audio to 3 kHz and leave your neighbors alone! Unless - shudder - you are actually challenging the authority of the HD alliance and think there is a real reason to broadcast audio frequencies above 3 kHz, because there are radios out there that can actually hear it!

I agree that the "what-if" game is ridiculous. KSBJ will never get hold of 90.1. I guess it is fun to speculate about what they would do with it. I could probably write them a really big check to help. But considering what happened to my money before, I'm in no hurry. People only betray me once. Buddy Holiday's vision lives on -----

And, gee, there are still a lot of DX'ers in Montgomery county and Walker county - did somebody say 50,000 of them? That is ten times the membership of the entire FM tuner group on Yahoo, and just from this immediate area. Unless I really looked at the contour maps of 92.5 wrong - there is almost no portion of those counties in the city grade signal area of 92.5. 50,000 people DX'ing a KSBJ satellite from Montgomery and Walker counties is remarkable, that may match the number of listeners in greater Houston! I am gratified that FM DX is so alive and well in neighboring counties. I sure hope nobody puts HD on a 92.3 or 92.7 in that area to disrupt them!
 
johndavis said:
This conversation is ridiculous.
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That is your opinion and you are entitled to express it. You will get no apology from me, however. I simply stated that a possibility existed, however remote.

johndavis said:
But when this board goes off to the races buying and selling properties that aren't actually being bought and sold...
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Unless you have inside information on either station and can foretell the future, your opinion and mine are equally valid.
 
Since we've already run off the rails, I'm going to say this and never speak of it again. Bruce, I hope you sit back and really think about what you're about to read. First, I'll come out of the cloak of anonymity. My name is Joe Polichino and I am the son of a Sicilian immigrant that came here in 1919 on a boat not worthy of hauling steers let alone human beings. The purpledevil is actually the name I call my 1972 plum color Dodge Demon. I am not bullying you, Bruce. I'm pointing out somethings for you that I have prayed about for you. You insult me by saying you don't speak "foreign" because my Mexican wife does and she's no lower class person in this country because of it. You insult her taste in music because, guess what, there are many times that she listens to KEYH's "slop". If you were to take the time to learn some Spanish instead of boldly proclaiming you don't speak foreign, you'd quickly find out that the music and the messages delivered by said music is actually quite beautiful. I don't want you to feel bullied, Bruce, I want you to step back and just think about what your fingers are about to type before you actually do it. Intent doesn't come across on a computer screen so you may not be intending to sound as offensive as you do, but you do. You're a fellow believer, don't you realize that Jesus Christ didn't speak English and the Bible that we both have was not originally written in English? I'm praying for you, my brother. My wife read what you wrote, looked at me and said you're an instigator and an antagonist just looking for someone to bait. I hope that's not the case and you truly just don't know how offensive you are at times. Freedom of speech is one thing, but bigotry of any kind with me, gets met with fierce resistance. We do have the same love for radio, Bruce. I seem to have a much better understanding of how important the "foreign" things are in my life. May his eyes be opened and his heart be softened, oh Lord. God bless you, Bruce. For everyone else still reading this, lift him in your prayers tonight.
 
Well handled, Joe Polichino.

I am fascinated by the "tapestry woven of people" that makes up this nation. When I come across people that show some kind of evidence that they are part of the "melting pot experience" I am likely to open the door for them to share their story, their journey with me. But I have learned that "opening that door" must be done with obvious care and gentleness.

I had been stopping for coffee at a convenience store on a regular basis as I left the little town where I had a three-day-a-week task. And many convenience stores today are staffed by, and owned by people who are immigrants or first generation descendants of immigrants. This store was just across the street from the local state university so I did not know if he was a student or not.

One afternoon I walked in and he and an older man were having a rather animated (harsh sounding) conversation. The talk stopped long enough to collect my money, and continue before I could get out the door. The next time I was in there I thought it would be a smooth, non-threatening way to get some conversation going to comment: "When I was in here the other day, you and an older gentleman were conversing... I assume about the business. What language were you speaking?" He exploded on me!!!! I speak SEVEN languages. How many do YOU speak?

My assumption is that here in this Southern state he has been told a number of times by some of my plain spoken neighbors: Why don't you go home where you belong if you can't speak OUR language!

I was able to convince him that was not my goal or my mission. Once he figured out that I genuinely desired to know him and his background, the conversation became very friendly, very sharing. He was Pakistani and we had a number of pleasant exchanges in the weeks that followed.

Through the years I have developed/collected several words and phrases that can usually be used to begin a conversation with someone that will let them know whatever I am asking is a friendly inquiry.

I'm not fluent in Spanish but I know just enough to disarm the person that looks at me and thinks: here is another one of those guys who looks like he wants to tell me to "Go Home!" Step back from the coffee dispenser, smile, say "Hola" and watch any traces of fear and anger just melt right out of their faces.

There is one group of people, though, that I sometimes offer a less friendy greeting: Texans wearing too much Texas next to a chip on their shoulder. And after they fizz and sputter for a couple of minutes, I give them the best smile I can muster and give them the place of my birth... a little hidden awy place in the far, far south end of Texas. At that point we can usually have a good laugh about some of us running around with too much strarch in our underwear.
 
purpledevil said:
Since we've already run off the rails, I'm going to say this and never speak of it again. Bruce, I hope you sit back and really think about what you're about to read. First, I'll come out of the cloak of anonymity. My name is Joe Polichino and I am the son of a Sicilian immigrant that came here in 1919 on a boat not worthy of hauling steers let alone human beings. The purpledevil is actually the name I call my 1972 plum color Dodge Demon. I am not bullying you, Bruce. I'm pointing out somethings for you that I have prayed about for you. You insult me by saying you don't speak "foreign" because my Mexican wife does and she's no lower class person in this country because of it. You insult her taste in music because, guess what, there are many times that she listens to KEYH's "slop". If you were to take the time to learn some Spanish instead of boldly proclaiming you don't speak foreign, you'd quickly find out that the music and the messages delivered by said music is actually quite beautiful. I don't want you to feel bullied, Bruce, I want you to step back and just think about what your fingers are about to type before you actually do it. Intent doesn't come across on a computer screen so you may not be intending to sound as offensive as you do, but you do. You're a fellow believer, don't you realize that Jesus Christ didn't speak English and the Bible that we both have was not originally written in English? I'm praying for you, my brother. My wife read what you wrote, looked at me and said you're an instigator and an antagonist just looking for someone to bait. I hope that's not the case and you truly just don't know how offensive you are at times. Freedom of speech is one thing, but bigotry of any kind with me, gets met with fierce resistance. We do have the same love for radio, Bruce. I seem to have a much better understanding of how important the "foreign" things are in my life. May his eyes be opened and his heart be softened, oh Lord. God bless you, Bruce. For everyone else still reading this, lift him in your prayers tonight.
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purpledevil said:
Since we've already run off the rails, I'm going to say this and never speak of it again. Bruce,
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I am actually really glad to make your acquaintance! When I speak of KEYH slop - I mean ONLY the high frequency crosstalk on 860 that comes from 850. It is unintelligible as to what music or talk it is, because it is translated down in frequency by 10 kHz. As far as Mexican radio is concerned, I do listen to some of the music on 620 and 780, I find it really different and good. Of course I don't understand a word. I have a feeling the radio coming from Mexico is a lot different from what I hear on 850, which when I tune across is more of a mariachi band or something. Getting serenaded by that music in EPCOT's Mexico restaurant is cool. But it is not something that I would preferentially be entertained by.

As far as Hispanic heritage people go, my family has a long history of being sympathetic to and being friends with Hispanics. A great uncle named his son after Eldridge Tukey, a friend of the family who lived in Long Cove Maine. This was in the 1800's, long before it was politically correct to be all sympathetic to Hispanics. One of my very best friends (among my daughter's generation) is the daughter of an illegal, who is also one of the finest men I know. He has a good job, and pays taxes, and I enjoy every time we visit the family. I will "out" myself -I know enough Spanish to get by, but don't consider it to be a primary skill. It is certainly enough to know when I am being talked about in Spanish, which unfortunately happens once in a while. I suspect Spanish is a way to anonymize conversations. Of course when I say I don't speak foreign, that means Spanish, French, German, Italian, Russian, Japanese, Chinese - so it really isn't focused on Spanish language radio.

As far as my posts on Christian radio, I am on record as praising KSBJ for putting NGEN on the air, and being an ardent fan of the format. I am not confrontational, but I defend people I believe in. And what happened to Buddy Holiday was NOT CHRISTLIKE. Not even close. NGEN is what KSBJ should have been all along, because NGEN is closer to Buddy Holiday's vision as he explained it to me many years ago. I am hoping none of the people that behaved so shamefully to Buddy Holiday are still around at KSBJ - how could God bless an organization that acted like that?

I do appreciate prayers - even if they are concerned about me. I can assure you my walk with the Lord has gotten a lot closer over the recent years, due to a change of church to one focusing not on sin and death and depression - but one that concentrates on how to move forward in Christ, what the benefits of being a Christian are, what heritage and promises we have in Christ, and how to exercise Godly authority and reach out to the fulfilled life the Christ promises to, and blesses his followers with. too long I was stalled spiritually in churches that preach over and over again "you need to get saved" - now I am in churches that tell me what to do now that I am saved. I have graduated from the negative to the positive - to a life prior to salvation to one after being saved, and moving on in the faith.

The rbrucecarter is Robert Bruce Carter. I am a proud believer for 40 years, now going to Lakewood, growing spiritually there, and loving it. I programmed a Christian rock show on WAPN Holly Hill Daytona Beach Florida. As I mentioned, I was a big supporter of KSBJ when Buddy Holiday started it out. I have supported Christian radio - big time - through the years financially, and have been betrayed by the stations I support twice. Now I am not involved in radio any more, except as a fan and observer. And I fully recognize I have the interpersonal skills of the current incarnation of Sherlock Holmes. I can be blunt in declaring my opinions, but it is not out of malice or a need to bait anybody. I see a problem in terms of black and white, and once convinced of a position, I will repeat that position as though it is fact. I hope this clears up misconceptions. We all love radio. I have no malice. When somebody says something negative about me on a public forum, I do feel like I am being bullied a bit, as things posted tend to have an indefinite life on line. I refrain from attacking individuals, because I am mindful about how I would feel were than posted about me. Being bullied online is a helpless feeling, and many a weaker person has snapped as a result of it. Bulling online has no place in cyberspace and is to be avoided at all costs. Just my feeling on the topic. I would never say a disrespectful thing online even to people with whom I have considerable differences of opinion.
 
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