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djmimi said:
"Raking it in"? KSCA never once entered the TOP 10 billing stations in L.A.
And what were those demos it did well in? Never happened.
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"Raking it in"? KSCA never once entered the TOP 10 billing stations in L.A.
And what were those demos it did well in? Never happened.
I believe, at the time KSCA went off the air, there were a few articles that mentioned it was making money, but was being sold anyway.
They weren't top 10, but so what? Ever notice how many stations are on the dial? More than 10. Does that mean anything below 11 has no right to exist?
Some people on here imply that AAA should not even BE in Los Angeles, not because it isn't popular, but because it's not popular ENOUGH.
Perfect example of how consolidation has REDUCED diversity on radio. A better system would allow for lots of formats catering to lots of different people.
They weren't top 10, but so what? Ever notice how many stations are on the dial? More than 10. Does that mean anything below 11 has no right to exist?
Some people on here imply that AAA should not even BE in Los Angeles, not because it isn't popular, but because it's not popular ENOUGH.
Perfect example of how consolidation has REDUCED diversity on radio. A better system would allow for lots of formats catering to lots of different people.
With nicole getting her own thread(thats never happened to me :'( ) i wonder if she has made any calls or contacts on the sound??? I really enjoyed world class rock at channel 103.1 and maybe just maybe the format will thrive on 100.3 under nicole or whoever guides the ship.
Does anyone know do the suits at bonneville micromanage there stations or do they let the program directors do there job
Does anyone know do the suits at bonneville micromanage there stations or do they let the program directors do there job
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hotpatrick2004 said:
They Micro-manage their Micro-managers. The worst. Bar None.
scooty430 said:
I suppose the sellers and the buyer would be the ones with the most knowledge.
Formats that lose money disapperar. V 100. KSCA as AAA. KNAC as hard rock. Etc. t does not matter who owns them, if they are unprofitable, they will change format or even owner.
DavidEduardo said:
Don't forget that wonderful station (well you probably don't think so ;D) KMPC-FM/The Edge "Full Spectrum Rock 'n' Roll" 1987-1989 with Racheal Donohue, Jim Ladd (yes, Jim Ladd) and the late J.J. Jackson. Also don't forget MARS-FM and Channel 103.1.
David, I'm sure you'll have an answer (you always do, don't you?), but just WHERE the hell do you think the few listeners who did appreciate those formats go when they lost their music/format??
KLOS??? Puh-leese! KROQ (maybe)? JACK-FM wasn't even around when the last AAA left to go to the Internet. So what happened to these people? I imagine many of them went to CDs, later iPods, Internet radio, Satellite radio, etc etc. but they didn't go back to music radio. But they were and they are out there... in the woodwork, in the rock clubs, at concerts, and at home using their entertainment systems.
NOW they might, just might, have a reason to go back to listening to radio. And maybe, just maybe, there will be enough of them to sustain this format if Bonneville sinks some $$$ in properly promoting and executing the format. I have hope that will happen.
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hotpatrick2004 said:
Nicole is a dear friend, and she's blown away by this thread, as well as some very kind mentions on the message board on The Sound website.
All I can tell you is that she loves this format and sorely misses living in LA (she just returned to Miami after a week's vacation there). But she is happily and gainfully employed right now by Clear Channel -- hosting mornings, doing talk at 940 WINZ in Miami, and certainly wouldn't want to jeopardize that.
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goriajk said:
I don't remember a yellow room site (though I do remember the original yellow room message board!). But she did start a podcast a while ago at www.radioornot.com. I'm not sure if it's still working or not, but easy enough to find out I guess.
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One thing to keep in mind is that independent companies (like Autry's Golden West) could sustain that station at lower profit margins than the CCs of the world. In some cases, companies of that nature would even keep a station a format because it's what they wanted to air, even if it wasn't billing the most that they could get out of the frequency.
Studies have shown AAA shares audience with not only commercial radio, alternative and classic rock, but NPR/noncommercial talk and news programming. So it's very possible if there's no music they like on the air, the former KSCA fans would listen to NPR. And of course, AAA/Eclectic mixes on KCRW.
Studies have shown AAA shares audience with not only commercial radio, alternative and classic rock, but NPR/noncommercial talk and news programming. So it's very possible if there's no music they like on the air, the former KSCA fans would listen to NPR. And of course, AAA/Eclectic mixes on KCRW.
Super, KMPC-FM/KEDG-FM was the simply the BEST music station I've ever listened to. Only on for about 18 months, ratings as well as luck challenged, but absolutely professionally run by the personalities you mention, an open playlist that literally covered the gamut of Rock much more than the later incarnations of AAA at KSCA and Channel 103.1. It was a rock station first, AAA second. Every jock (not just say Ladd late at night) had a say over their show and it showed. Rachel Donahue in the morning was great - funny, entertaining, without ever being obnoxious and overbearing, and she played music and lots of it. Perfect for the format. I could go on, but will stop here.
I so wish I would have taped some of it. The Sound is a definite welcome surprise with some definite positive attributes, but it can't hold a candle to the old KMPC-FM.
ChannelFlipper said:
I agree with every word you posted. Remember John Logic the night DJ? He actually was on earlier in the PM before Jim Ladd arrived and took the 6-10pm shift. Logic was on from 10p-2a and was really really cool. One time I called him with a request (which he honored in 10 minutes) and he told me to be sure to let him or any other DJ know if they started to suck.
Another cool thing he did was what no music station does on a regular basis today... Interact with the listeners. Remember "The Midnight Legal I.D."? Logic would invite listeners to call in just before 12m and he selected one to actually do the FCC-required TOH ID. How fun is that? Rachael would do lots of contest stuff as well. I remember when Jim Ladd was on his last night of the station's existence, he reminded the listeners "You GOT it" meaning of course the listeners (the few of them) really "got" what the station was trying to do. Some great songs they played included "You Got It" and "She's a Mystery To Me"-Roy Orbison; "Everywhere that you're not"-Transformer; "Twist in my Sobriety"-Tanita Tikorem (sp?); "Somewhere Down the Lazy River"-Robbie Robertson; "Copperhead Road"-Steve Earl. Oh man they were the best. I too wish I had taped some of that. Yes, I was happy KSCA was on, but they didn't have the edginess I got from KMPC-FM/KEDG.
This stuff is what makes and keps someone a radio/music fan. Its been lost over the years.
Ok, since you are egging me on, I will continue, but only for a minute -
Yes I do remember the Midnight top of the hour legal id. One of my favorite parts of the station. About 10 or 15 minutes before midnight, he would play this little jingle that ended with the phrase "...Be the 4th caller we will seeee... if you can be the one to do the Midnight Legal ID".
The fact that he wouldn't take the first caller or the 10th or something, he took the 4th always knocked me out. Just the right number to ensure that you don't get on by calling first, but not high enough to make a big production out of it. It's meant to be a cute little bit. And if by chance the 4th caller didn't do it just right, Logic would have the next caller on line to see if they could do it, and wouldn't stop until a caller got it right. And the prize for doing it right? Absolutely nothing. Doing it is the prize in itself, silly! Loved the handle (I always assumed it was a handle anyway, "John Logic"). He did a little show called "Noisy Neighbors", whose title I always liked. Used it later myself for names of personal playlists on my personal music player - Nobody in my house realizes its my little tribute to the station.
Something else cool - when it was time to sign off, all the DJs got to say goodbye with full shifts, with Ladd being the one who did the final sign-off. In a great piece of making a final statement of what the station was all about, he played "Let the Day Begin" which they debuted on the station as the final song (literally the last thing aired) before turning the station over to the Spanish speaking people. As our last record, we are going to play something completely new!
Way too cool!
Other bands they literally launched: Cowboy Junkies, Edie Brickel and the New Bohemians, Hothouse Flowers and Midge Ure. They also played a lot of Lone Justice (didn't launch them, they came on the scene in '85, but definitely got them airplay). You simply can never get too much Lone Justice, especially the debut album.
OK, thanks.
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scooty430 said:
It wasn't.
You missed the point. It was said that they were "raking it in", and my point was that they weren't in the Top Ten in billing in LA. Actually, they weren't in the Top 20. So at what point is "raking it in" correct??
Historically, it is one of the worst performing formats ratings wise in Los Angeles history.
Is it because of signal? Bad programming? Tough competition? Depends on who you ask.....
However, with that track record, would you reach the conclusion that it was a "good" idea?
Everyone who's ever done it has thought "this time it'll work". Maybe Bonneville will be luckier.
There is more format diversity now than at any point in the history of radio. The fact of the matter is, the more and more you narrowcast formats, the smaller piece of the pie you attract.
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More "format" diversity maybe. More musical diversity in commercial radio? Absolutely not. Finding new labels for increasingly narrow lists of tracks doesn't increase real diversity. You can argue the marketability or viability, but you can't claim radio is "diverse" in most markets, at least on the commercial side.
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JimmyJames said:
Really? Look at LA Radio in the late 70's.
How many formats exist now that didn't exist then?
As for musical diversity...there are probably in the neighborhood
of 300% more titles being played on LA radio stations today
than 30 years ago.
There is LESS format duplication now in most markets.
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You have more stations splintering the same set of titles. You have more stations playing fewer titles. Look at most formats that are supposedly new in recent years and you get stations that are built on hybrids of existing stations. Jack = Arrow + Star + KLOS + KROQ gold + KRTH. Movin = old KIIS, old KPWR, Mega, KBIG. KYSR - KROQ gold plus old Star.
Stations like KMET, and KROQ likely played more new music and new artists years ago than are getting exposure in LA now - excluding Indie 103.1, of course. I don't doubt for one second there are fewer new/current titles played in LA now than there were. Because radio across the board has consistently added fewer new titles and relied more on stagnating charts with every wave of consolidation.
Stations like KMET, and KROQ likely played more new music and new artists years ago than are getting exposure in LA now - excluding Indie 103.1, of course. I don't doubt for one second there are fewer new/current titles played in LA now than there were. Because radio across the board has consistently added fewer new titles and relied more on stagnating charts with every wave of consolidation.
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JimmyJames said:
Thats absolutely untrue. And lets keep it to English station diversity, because there are a slew of Spanish-speaking music stations in LA playing a variety of music that didnt exist on local airwaves back then.
First KIIS/KYSR/KBIG share very little of its libraries with one another. It used to be MUCH closer. As little as 5 years ago.
And your equations.....prove my point....
Movin = old KIIS, old KPWR, Mega, KBIG. KYSR - KROQ gold plus old Star.
If thats true, then Movin alone is the playlists of all of those other stations (old KIIS, old KPWR, KROQ gold, old STAR)
PLUS....
KIIS, KPWR, KROQ, AND KYSR now have their very own unique playlists on top of that (that didnt exist).
Might interest you to know what Movin shares with these other stations library-wise:
KIIS 12%
MEGA 23%
KPWR 4%
KBIG 19% (if you count Saturday night) otherwise 11%
KROQ 0%
KYSR 1%
oddly enough ........ KOST 37%
So you're missing the boat here, bud.
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I never said Movin shared any library with KROQ. I said 98.7 was a hybrid of the old Star format and 90s intensive KROQ golds.
My guess is KBIG shares more with KOST now. But if you'd like to run the numbers on it, that's fine.
Leaving out Spanish stations, I still maintain that pop/rock stations in LA are playing less new music and a shorter list of titles than pre-consolidation. And that's something most people's ears can tell them.
My guess is KBIG shares more with KOST now. But if you'd like to run the numbers on it, that's fine.
Leaving out Spanish stations, I still maintain that pop/rock stations in LA are playing less new music and a shorter list of titles than pre-consolidation. And that's something most people's ears can tell them.
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JimmyJames said:
Its simply not true. There are SIGNIFICANTLY more songs on the radio now than a couple of decades ago.
Its part of the reason that so many bands/songs fail....there is just too much of a glut.
If it helps....a Top 40 today (KIIS) adds about 80-100 new titles per year (thats an average of 1.73 per week)
a Top 40 in the seventies (KHJ) added about 35-45 new titles a year (thats an average of 0.76 per week)
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