This would be an interesting scenario if it were to happen.I am sure Pappas Radio would like to expand its radio holdings in San Francisco beyond KTRB-860. Then they could have Adult Standards on KTRB and have Oldies on 1260 (as a "KOOL 1260" perhaps?)They can use the calletters "KUYL" for 1260. I know there are many who want the calls "KYA" back, but it may not be possible? I am also sure Pappas would like to get an FM if possible.
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Pappas Radio To Acquire KOIT-1260?
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Im all for KYA1260 returning ASAP!! Would it be possible to aquire the Legendary KYA call letters with that other "Guy" on the Internet with his "Little KYA Stream"? Im wondering if Pappas Radio requested the Call Letters , and they were granted ,would the "Guy" who has the KYA stream, be generous enough to return the KYA 1260 jingles! To restore KYA back to the Powerhouse it was in the 60 s would make Radio worth listening to!! The Bay Area needs KYA 1260, and Pappas, heres the Legendary line up, in alphabetical order ,,,,Chris 1968 Edwards, John Mack Flanagan, Bobby Ocean, and Lee "Baby" Sims!!!! Kenny in Concord
Jingle packages are generally just licensed by market...the companies generally never "sell" them. If a package isn't on in SF, any broadcaster could pay to have them sung, and run them under license. Even if they got calls like KKYA, or the like, they could still have them sung "KYA" so long as the legal ID had the actual calls.
First of all Harry Pappas is a business man first and foremost . He would not pay the $$ they want for that station, as he would expect to make a profit and you can't do it with huge debt service. Second KYA is Copywrited by CVES Inc. and the "original Jingles" are also copywrited by the same party, newly sung jingles would not be a problem,and/ or the use of KYA would only be legal if and thats a big "if" the FCC would restore the KYA calls to 1260 otherwise you would have to deal with Mr. White and Mr. Knight (both Sr & Jr.) at CVES. They are nice guys and good broadcasters so I am sure they would be willing to allow that. Harry Pappas is not buying the 1260 signal.
I know for a fact that White and Kidd and others were negoiating with Bruce, for a good reasonable sale but the dollars proved to be way to high for all the investors.
My guess is Religion!!! Pass the plate and anti up only 20 mil or so for 5kw.
As a caviat: Harry has 50kw day and night and put it on air for less than 1mil!!! probaby worth 50 mil now that it's on GOOD MOVE Harry
I know for a fact that White and Kidd and others were negoiating with Bruce, for a good reasonable sale but the dollars proved to be way to high for all the investors.
My guess is Religion!!! Pass the plate and anti up only 20 mil or so for 5kw.
As a caviat: Harry has 50kw day and night and put it on air for less than 1mil!!! probaby worth 50 mil now that it's on GOOD MOVE Harry
I agree that the Pappas' are businesspeople, and unlikely to get into something that can't make a buck. You are correct about the call letters...if they got them back (doubtful), they could have jingles sung without the permission of CVES, as the government won't allow copyright or ownership of call letters (but only intellectual property, i.e., KJAZ, Inc.).
I do doubt that the Pappas folks got the station on for less than a million. I know of an upgrade that was looked at to 25Kw by one of the 5Kw stations in the market over 15 years ago, and the engineering, tower work, etc. was going to take more than that then. I bet they've got at least 2-3 million in this project over the years, and don't even have the daytime towers up and running yet. Even at that, they've got a facility that has to have a stick value of around 50 million, so that's a pretty nice return!
I do doubt that the Pappas folks got the station on for less than a million. I know of an upgrade that was looked at to 25Kw by one of the 5Kw stations in the market over 15 years ago, and the engineering, tower work, etc. was going to take more than that then. I bet they've got at least 2-3 million in this project over the years, and don't even have the daytime towers up and running yet. Even at that, they've got a facility that has to have a stick value of around 50 million, so that's a pretty nice return!
In as much as I listened to KYA from the 60's all the way till the "end" I know it is a big kick to hear the old air checks and jingles again (I thought they would be lost forever ) but I feel KYA should live in our hearts and memories, it could never be the same. Let KYA, the music along with the "jocks" be a post card of our memories time stamped with a day gone past.
Door number one it's Harry Pappas new owner of KIOT-AM!
Yes except that Harry always wants to buy low and Bruce wants to sell high so that could never work. If they did negotiate it would be a situation of each one trying to out fox the other and a deal would never be signed.
So the question stiil remains who is willing to pay a high enough price to satisfy Bonneville?
In looking at the values stated for KTRB, they do sound high, in fact so high that Harry would sell today for fifty million.
It's not always just the amount of watts, but how you use them and where you send them from. More watts and a larger market does not always mean a bigger value. As an example KFBK 1530 is 50 kw, higher on the dial and in a smaller market. However its value is far greater that KTRB becuase of the huge amount of consistant revenue it has.
Do you remember the woman who said it is not always size but how you use it that matters?
Newsperson
Yes except that Harry always wants to buy low and Bruce wants to sell high so that could never work. If they did negotiate it would be a situation of each one trying to out fox the other and a deal would never be signed.
So the question stiil remains who is willing to pay a high enough price to satisfy Bonneville?
In looking at the values stated for KTRB, they do sound high, in fact so high that Harry would sell today for fifty million.
It's not always just the amount of watts, but how you use them and where you send them from. More watts and a larger market does not always mean a bigger value. As an example KFBK 1530 is 50 kw, higher on the dial and in a smaller market. However its value is far greater that KTRB becuase of the huge amount of consistant revenue it has.
Do you remember the woman who said it is not always size but how you use it that matters?
Newsperson
Well since we are all just guessing here...How about someone buying KTRB and installing a syndicated format like ESPN...Disney should be flush with money to waste on their Branded Formats soon. They have Radio Disney and ESPN as radio brands. All they need to do is pull their affilation off KNBR ,since they only use it as filler, and move it on to KTRB, oh wait...OR How about KOIT1260?
But It's just a guess...Just like the rest of the posts here.
But this isn't a guess...Harry Pappas is a Business Man. $1 million in...$50 million
out. I say go for it Harry.
But It's just a guess...Just like the rest of the posts here.
But this isn't a guess...Harry Pappas is a Business Man. $1 million in...$50 million
out. I say go for it Harry.
ESPN 1260?
I doubt Harry would sell KTRB, but ABC buying KOIT? Hmmm. I'm not sure if they would buy it but maybe whoever does buy it might get the ESPN affiliation for 1260? It's happening in Sacramento, Will San Francisco see a third all sports station? "ESPN RADIO 1260"?Production Boy said:
Harry is a business man...I would think if the offer was Correct, he would have
million$ of reasons to $ell. Remember, he will need a hell of a format to compeate in SF...And that's gonna cost so money. He can't do it with 4th string Talk syndication. If he were smart he should take it to standards. There is a giant underserved audience for that...Agencies dont want 50+ listeners but Retail/Direct folks know they're the folks with the money. We'll see. My guess is that he sells within a year.
million$ of reasons to $ell. Remember, he will need a hell of a format to compeate in SF...And that's gonna cost so money. He can't do it with 4th string Talk syndication. If he were smart he should take it to standards. There is a giant underserved audience for that...Agencies dont want 50+ listeners but Retail/Direct folks know they're the folks with the money. We'll see. My guess is that he sells within a year.
Not likely, Pappas is in it for the long haul! Country Music on 860 KTRB! My Guess and when it fails Regional Mexican.
RadioStarOne said:
Spanish language music FMs don't work if there is an FM in the area. The Hispanic community is much younger than the non-Hispanic community, and has little use for AM.
KSOL (991/98.9), KRZZ, KSJO and KBRG are all forms of Mexican music programming, and there is no way an AM could compete.
That's what you always say, David. So how about spanish N/t? What about that format?
I doubt if Pappas Telecasting would want to invest in another AM in San Francisco, let alone
acquire an FM - at least in the short-term.
I read a week ago (2/16) in the Reno Gazette Journal about Pappas' newest studios for their
two TV stations (KREN, the CW affiliate/KAZR, Spanish TV) at Meadowood Mall in Reno,
where a Sam Goody store once stood.
The newspaper's pictures of the studios were awesome, and the article stated how they utilize
bilingual newscasters, recording reports in two languages (obviously a cost-cutting measure).
With the money spent on this new TV facility, plus cutting back on personnel, it leads me to
believe they won't have the money to spend on new properties for awhile. We'll see.
acquire an FM - at least in the short-term.
I read a week ago (2/16) in the Reno Gazette Journal about Pappas' newest studios for their
two TV stations (KREN, the CW affiliate/KAZR, Spanish TV) at Meadowood Mall in Reno,
where a Sam Goody store once stood.
The newspaper's pictures of the studios were awesome, and the article stated how they utilize
bilingual newscasters, recording reports in two languages (obviously a cost-cutting measure).
With the money spent on this new TV facility, plus cutting back on personnel, it leads me to
believe they won't have the money to spend on new properties for awhile. We'll see.
RadioStarOne said:
N/T in Spanish can be made to work... KTNQ in LA was top 10 ten years ago. But it is so expensive vs. revenues as to be impractical. Less costly versions get old demos and no numbers in the Southwest... such as KLOK.
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