I'm setting up a Part 15 and am trying to run it like a licensed station in every way, more or less for my own interests. But I'd like to use call letters as part of my imaging, and while I know for this purpose I could use any set of letters I'd like, I'm wondering if I can use them in my fake "legal ID" at the top of the hour. The calls I want to use are in use on an FM (I'm using AM of course) owned by a university a few states away. There is an alternate set of calls that could be manipulated to sound like the ones I want, and they are in use by a TV station in my market, but not by any radio stations. Other than an article in a local school paper that's coming about my station, I know noone will notice it, but in the interest of playing safe, is it recommended to obtain permission first? Or just do it and since they're not real calls anyway, don't bother?
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Part 15 "call letters"
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JasonW
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It isn't legal to use the same call letters as a licensed station. Also, any 4-letter call sign could be assigned (or re-assigned) to a licensed station by the FCC at any time, so you would forever have to check their database to make sure yours is still unique and unused.
If you use a 5-letter or (unused) 3-letter call sign, this isn't a problem. -- JasonW
> I'm setting up a Part 15 and am trying to run it like a
> licensed station in every way, more or less for my own
> interests. But I'd like to use call letters as part of my
> imaging, and while I know for this purpose I could use any
> set of letters I'd like, I'm wondering if I can use them in
> my fake "legal ID" at the top of the hour. The calls I want
> to use are in use on an FM (I'm using AM of course) owned by
> a university a few states away. There is an alternate set of
> calls that could be manipulated to sound like the ones I
> want, and they are in use by a TV station in my market, but
> not by any radio stations. Other than an article in a local
> school paper that's coming about my station, I know noone
> will notice it, but in the interest of playing safe, is it
> recommended to obtain permission first? Or just do it and
> since they're not real calls anyway, don't bother?
>
If you use a 5-letter or (unused) 3-letter call sign, this isn't a problem. -- JasonW
> I'm setting up a Part 15 and am trying to run it like a
> licensed station in every way, more or less for my own
> interests. But I'd like to use call letters as part of my
> imaging, and while I know for this purpose I could use any
> set of letters I'd like, I'm wondering if I can use them in
> my fake "legal ID" at the top of the hour. The calls I want
> to use are in use on an FM (I'm using AM of course) owned by
> a university a few states away. There is an alternate set of
> calls that could be manipulated to sound like the ones I
> want, and they are in use by a TV station in my market, but
> not by any radio stations. Other than an article in a local
> school paper that's coming about my station, I know noone
> will notice it, but in the interest of playing safe, is it
> recommended to obtain permission first? Or just do it and
> since they're not real calls anyway, don't bother?
>
> I'm setting up a Part 15 and am trying to run it like a
> licensed station in every way, more or less for my own
> interests. But I'd like to use call letters as part of my
> imaging, and while I know for this purpose I could use any
> set of letters I'd like, I'm wondering if I can use them in
> my fake "legal ID" at the top of the hour. The calls I want
> to use are in use on an FM (I'm using AM of course) owned by
> a university a few states away. There is an alternate set of
> calls that could be manipulated to sound like the ones I
> want, and they are in use by a TV station in my market, but
> not by any radio stations. Other than an article in a local
> school paper that's coming about my station, I know noone
> will notice it, but in the interest of playing safe, is it
> recommended to obtain permission first? Or just do it and
> since they're not real calls anyway, don't bother?
>
Hi,
Why would one want to make up 4 letter call letters in the first place? This does not establish legitimacy. Though call letters are neither required nor prohibited on part 15, I would advise avoiding their use since there may be trademark or other issues. Even if you invent a unique K or W call sign, as JasonW mentioned it may be assigned to a licensed station in the future.
Many licensed stations use non FCC call letter identifications, such as "jazz 95, oldies 107, 700 radio, etc.". Go with some catchy phrase with which your station can be associated and forget about call letters.
Neil
> licensed station in every way, more or less for my own
> interests. But I'd like to use call letters as part of my
> imaging, and while I know for this purpose I could use any
> set of letters I'd like, I'm wondering if I can use them in
> my fake "legal ID" at the top of the hour. The calls I want
> to use are in use on an FM (I'm using AM of course) owned by
> a university a few states away. There is an alternate set of
> calls that could be manipulated to sound like the ones I
> want, and they are in use by a TV station in my market, but
> not by any radio stations. Other than an article in a local
> school paper that's coming about my station, I know noone
> will notice it, but in the interest of playing safe, is it
> recommended to obtain permission first? Or just do it and
> since they're not real calls anyway, don't bother?
>
Hi,
Why would one want to make up 4 letter call letters in the first place? This does not establish legitimacy. Though call letters are neither required nor prohibited on part 15, I would advise avoiding their use since there may be trademark or other issues. Even if you invent a unique K or W call sign, as JasonW mentioned it may be assigned to a licensed station in the future.
Many licensed stations use non FCC call letter identifications, such as "jazz 95, oldies 107, 700 radio, etc.". Go with some catchy phrase with which your station can be associated and forget about call letters.
Neil
J
JasonW
Guest
Neil, we Part 15'ers like call letters for the same reason ham radio operators do--they're traditional. Think of all of the hams who like to be re-assigned old "low character-count" call signs.
Even pirates feel this way--Alan Weiner incorporated FM pioneer Edwin Armstrong's experimental FM station call sign into his station's call sign in honor of Armstrong. -- JasonW
> > I'm setting up a Part 15 and am trying to run it like a
> > licensed station in every way, more or less for my own
> > interests. But I'd like to use call letters as part of my
> > imaging, and while I know for this purpose I could use any
>
> > set of letters I'd like, I'm wondering if I can use them
> in
> > my fake "legal ID" at the top of the hour. The calls I
> want
> > to use are in use on an FM (I'm using AM of course) owned
> by
> > a university a few states away. There is an alternate set
> of
> > calls that could be manipulated to sound like the ones I
> > want, and they are in use by a TV station in my market,
> but
> > not by any radio stations. Other than an article in a
> local
> > school paper that's coming about my station, I know noone
> > will notice it, but in the interest of playing safe, is it
>
> > recommended to obtain permission first? Or just do it and
> > since they're not real calls anyway, don't bother?
> >
> Hi,
>
> Why would one want to make up 4 letter call letters in the
> first place? This does not establish legitimacy. Though
> call letters are neither required nor prohibited on part 15,
> I would advise avoiding their use since there may be
> trademark or other issues. Even if you invent a unique K or
> W call sign, as JasonW mentioned it may be assigned to a
> licensed station in the future.
>
> Many licensed stations use non FCC call letter
> identifications, such as "jazz 95, oldies 107, 700 radio,
> etc.". Go with some catchy phrase with which your station
> can be associated and forget about call letters.
>
> Neil
>
Even pirates feel this way--Alan Weiner incorporated FM pioneer Edwin Armstrong's experimental FM station call sign into his station's call sign in honor of Armstrong. -- JasonW
> > I'm setting up a Part 15 and am trying to run it like a
> > licensed station in every way, more or less for my own
> > interests. But I'd like to use call letters as part of my
> > imaging, and while I know for this purpose I could use any
>
> > set of letters I'd like, I'm wondering if I can use them
> in
> > my fake "legal ID" at the top of the hour. The calls I
> want
> > to use are in use on an FM (I'm using AM of course) owned
> by
> > a university a few states away. There is an alternate set
> of
> > calls that could be manipulated to sound like the ones I
> > want, and they are in use by a TV station in my market,
> but
> > not by any radio stations. Other than an article in a
> local
> > school paper that's coming about my station, I know noone
> > will notice it, but in the interest of playing safe, is it
>
> > recommended to obtain permission first? Or just do it and
> > since they're not real calls anyway, don't bother?
> >
> Hi,
>
> Why would one want to make up 4 letter call letters in the
> first place? This does not establish legitimacy. Though
> call letters are neither required nor prohibited on part 15,
> I would advise avoiding their use since there may be
> trademark or other issues. Even if you invent a unique K or
> W call sign, as JasonW mentioned it may be assigned to a
> licensed station in the future.
>
> Many licensed stations use non FCC call letter
> identifications, such as "jazz 95, oldies 107, 700 radio,
> etc.". Go with some catchy phrase with which your station
> can be associated and forget about call letters.
>
> Neil
>
> Neil, we Part 15'ers like call letters for the same reason
> ham radio operators do--they're traditional.
Hi Jason,
My "ham" call is not traditional because it is assigned by the FCC and its use during transmission is required by law. I acknowledge that there is nostalgic attachment to some calls, but I only use mine on the air because I have to. You would guess correctly that my ham call contains 8Z. Gee was that 8E, 8C, 8B, 8D, etc. I have to say "8 Zulu".
It's OK with me that folks invent call letters for part 15. I was just trying to point out that calls are not required nor prevented by part 15 rules, and perhaps some other unique and clever identifier is an option.
Neil
> ham radio operators do--they're traditional.
Hi Jason,
My "ham" call is not traditional because it is assigned by the FCC and its use during transmission is required by law. I acknowledge that there is nostalgic attachment to some calls, but I only use mine on the air because I have to. You would guess correctly that my ham call contains 8Z. Gee was that 8E, 8C, 8B, 8D, etc. I have to say "8 Zulu".
It's OK with me that folks invent call letters for part 15. I was just trying to point out that calls are not required nor prevented by part 15 rules, and perhaps some other unique and clever identifier is an option.
Neil
J
JasonW
Guest
The two aren't mutually exclusive (being both required and traditional). Most hams I know use their call signs as part of their stationery, on desk signs, etc. as a point of pride. -- JasonW
> > Neil, we Part 15'ers like call letters for the same reason
>
> > ham radio operators do--they're traditional.
>
> Hi Jason,
>
> My "ham" call is not traditional because it is assigned by
> the FCC and its use during transmission is required by law.
> I acknowledge that there is nostalgic attachment to some
> calls, but I only use mine on the air because I have to.
> You would guess correctly that my ham call contains 8Z. Gee
> was that 8E, 8C, 8B, 8D, etc. I have to say "8 Zulu".
>
> It's OK with me that folks invent call letters for part 15.
> I was just trying to point out that calls are not required
> nor prevented by part 15 rules, and perhaps some other
> unique and clever identifier is an option.
>
> Neil
>
> > Neil, we Part 15'ers like call letters for the same reason
>
> > ham radio operators do--they're traditional.
>
> Hi Jason,
>
> My "ham" call is not traditional because it is assigned by
> the FCC and its use during transmission is required by law.
> I acknowledge that there is nostalgic attachment to some
> calls, but I only use mine on the air because I have to.
> You would guess correctly that my ham call contains 8Z. Gee
> was that 8E, 8C, 8B, 8D, etc. I have to say "8 Zulu".
>
> It's OK with me that folks invent call letters for part 15.
> I was just trying to point out that calls are not required
> nor prevented by part 15 rules, and perhaps some other
> unique and clever identifier is an option.
>
> Neil
>
J
JasonW
Guest
Call sign license plates are very common here in Alaska (although I usually notice the screwdriver, 2 m whip, or 2 m DDRR roof-top antennas first in the airport parking lot).
Hams exiting the airport parking lot are (happily) stunned when I shout "73!" as they leave.
-- Jason
> > The two aren't mutually exclusive (being both required and
>
> > traditional). Most hams I know use their call signs as
> part
> > of their stationery, on desk signs, etc. as a point of
> > pride. -- JasonW
> >
> Jason,
>
> Your point is well taken. Mine is on my license plate.
>
> Neil
>
Hams exiting the airport parking lot are (happily) stunned when I shout "73!" as they leave.
-- Jason> > The two aren't mutually exclusive (being both required and
>
> > traditional). Most hams I know use their call signs as
> part
> > of their stationery, on desk signs, etc. as a point of
> > pride. -- JasonW
> >
> Jason,
>
> Your point is well taken. Mine is on my license plate.
>
> Neil
>
> Call sign license plates are very common here in Alaska
> (although I usually notice the screwdriver, 2 m whip, or 2 m
> DDRR roof-top antennas first in the airport parking lot).
>
> Hams exiting the airport parking lot are (happily) stunned
> when I shout "73!" as they leave. -- Jason
>
Jason,
Try tooting your horn "dit dit dit dit (pause) dit dit". The oldtimers will get it.
The new ones will probably reply with a hand gesture.
Neil
> (although I usually notice the screwdriver, 2 m whip, or 2 m
> DDRR roof-top antennas first in the airport parking lot).
>
> Hams exiting the airport parking lot are (happily) stunned
> when I shout "73!" as they leave.
-- Jason>
Jason,
Try tooting your horn "dit dit dit dit (pause) dit dit". The oldtimers will get it.
The new ones will probably reply with a hand gesture.
Neil
J
JasonW
Guest
That's a kind hand gesture, I hope. I'm in the exit booth, but I can tap that out using the cash register transducer "beeper." -- Jason
> Try tooting your horn "dit dit dit dit (pause) dit dit".
> The oldtimers will get it.
>
> The new ones will probably reply with a hand gesture.
>
> Neil
>
I'm in the exit booth, but I can tap that out using the cash register transducer "beeper." -- Jason> Try tooting your horn "dit dit dit dit (pause) dit dit".
> The oldtimers will get it.
>
> The new ones will probably reply with a hand gesture.
>
> Neil
>
J
JasonW
Guest
How's this for a call sign?
Hello Neil,
Have you ever met a ham with a call sign like this: KBUA9435 ?
Probably not, unless the ham is old enough to have been required to get a license to operate on 11 meters (CB).
That's my late father's old call sign. He was one of the last to take the CB exam and be issued a license before the FCC threw up its hands and left 11 meters to be a radio sandbox. :-( Going on there with that call sign and calling CQ gets some, um, interesting responses. -- Jason
Hello Neil,
Have you ever met a ham with a call sign like this: KBUA9435 ?
Probably not, unless the ham is old enough to have been required to get a license to operate on 11 meters (CB).
That's my late father's old call sign. He was one of the last to take the CB exam and be issued a license before the FCC threw up its hands and left 11 meters to be a radio sandbox. :-( Going on there with that call sign and calling CQ gets some, um, interesting responses.
-- Jason> I'm setting up a Part 15 and am trying to run it like a
> licensed station in every way, more or less for my own
> interests. But I'd like to use call letters as part of my
> imaging, and while I know for this purpose I could use any
> set of letters I'd like, I'm wondering if I can use them in
> my fake "legal ID" at the top of the hour. The calls I want
> to use are in use on an FM (I'm using AM of course) owned by
> a university a few states away. There is an alternate set of
> calls that could be manipulated to sound like the ones I
> want, and they are in use by a TV station in my market, but
> not by any radio stations. Other than an article in a local
> school paper that's coming about my station, I know noone
> will notice it, but in the interest of playing safe, is it
> recommended to obtain permission first? Or just do it and
> since they're not real calls anyway, don't bother?
>
If you just do business within your couple of blocks of coverage area, no one will care. But I had once had a part 15 (so he said) station using my AM's call letters in Pennsylvania and he was contacting syndication companies, satellite networks and the like and getting me phone calls I didn't need. I threatened legal action and he went away.
> licensed station in every way, more or less for my own
> interests. But I'd like to use call letters as part of my
> imaging, and while I know for this purpose I could use any
> set of letters I'd like, I'm wondering if I can use them in
> my fake "legal ID" at the top of the hour. The calls I want
> to use are in use on an FM (I'm using AM of course) owned by
> a university a few states away. There is an alternate set of
> calls that could be manipulated to sound like the ones I
> want, and they are in use by a TV station in my market, but
> not by any radio stations. Other than an article in a local
> school paper that's coming about my station, I know noone
> will notice it, but in the interest of playing safe, is it
> recommended to obtain permission first? Or just do it and
> since they're not real calls anyway, don't bother?
>
If you just do business within your couple of blocks of coverage area, no one will care. But I had once had a part 15 (so he said) station using my AM's call letters in Pennsylvania and he was contacting syndication companies, satellite networks and the like and getting me phone calls I didn't need. I threatened legal action and he went away.
C
carlvanorden
Guest
> I'm setting up a Part 15 and am trying to run it like a> licensed station in every way, more or less for my own> interests. But I'd like to use call letters as part of my> imaging, and while I know for this purpose I could use any> set of letters I'd like, I'm wondering if I can use them in> my fake "legal ID" at the top of the hour. The calls I want> to use are in use on an FM (I'm using AM of course) owned by> a university a few states away. There is an alternate set of> calls that could be manipulated to sound like the ones I> want, and they are in use by a TV station in my market, but> not by any radio stations. Other than an article in a local> school paper that's coming about my station, I know noone> will notice it, but in the interest of playing safe, is it> recommended to obtain permission first? Or just do it and> since they're not real calls anyway, don't bother?> This is just my opinion, and in no way is it a legal opinion on this matter.......years ago I worked for a radio station (a 1,000 watter) that had complete imaging, and fantasic jingles...asked the owner how he afforded it, and the answer was: he named his station after a station long silent...the jingles were old so he used them...all completely legal. So I did something similar; I had a jingle collection from a station that had gone silent....meantime, another station chose the calls, but it is far far away....in my opinion, using those call letters does the station owner no harm; fact is, if someone did hear my station and was from the station's state, it would merely be a recall of hearing the licenced station. I certainly wouldn't choose calls from a nearby station, but if a distant station whose calls you like (say, WXXX-FM) were the calls you would like to put on your AM station, then WXXX-AM would be legal to use, providing you said "AM" when you used them.......another thing you can do, if you want to use jingles, is to choose a three call letter call...edit a favorite jingle and use that...best of all just call your station, (example) Disco 1680. That won't ever hurt anyone.Again, just my opinion here.Carl<P ID="signature">______________
[email protected], [email protected],[email protected]</P>
[email protected], [email protected],[email protected]</P>
C
C414
Guest
Re: How's this for a call sign?
> Hello Neil,
>
> Have you ever met a ham with a call sign like this: KBUA9435
> ?
>
> Probably not, unless the ham is old enough to have been
> required to get a license to operate on 11 meters (CB).
>
> That's my late father's old call sign. He was one of the
> last to take the CB exam and be issued a license before the
> FCC threw up its hands and left 11 meters to be a radio
> sandbox. :-( Going on there with that call sign and
> calling CQ gets some, um, interesting responses. --
> Jason
>
Jason,
Seeing that 11-meter call brought back a nostalgic memory of hearing my late maternal grandfather signing off with "KMQ5207, clear".
In my 11-meter days, my dad and I both used the "207" from his call.
The call you mention sounds alot like the current GMRS format calls.
73 from 5-land in Texas!<P ID="signature">______________
Failure to plan on your part doesn't constitute an emergency on my part.</P>
> Hello Neil,
>
> Have you ever met a ham with a call sign like this: KBUA9435
> ?
>
> Probably not, unless the ham is old enough to have been
> required to get a license to operate on 11 meters (CB).
>
> That's my late father's old call sign. He was one of the
> last to take the CB exam and be issued a license before the
> FCC threw up its hands and left 11 meters to be a radio
> sandbox. :-( Going on there with that call sign and
> calling CQ gets some, um, interesting responses.
-- > Jason
>
Jason,
Seeing that 11-meter call brought back a nostalgic memory of hearing my late maternal grandfather signing off with "KMQ5207, clear".
In my 11-meter days, my dad and I both used the "207" from his call.
The call you mention sounds alot like the current GMRS format calls.
73 from 5-land in Texas!<P ID="signature">______________
Failure to plan on your part doesn't constitute an emergency on my part.</P>
J
JasonW
Guest
Re: How's this for a call sign?
Use your grandfather's call sign proudly!
Hmmm...I wonder if other older CBers use their call signs? When I go on 11 meters, I try to be an example (not snooty or "goody two-shoes") of proper operating procedures. Just as 160 meters is informally known as the "gentlemen's band," perhaps older CBers and hams could reclaim 11 meters as a piece of civilized radio real estate by setting higher standards and being examples to other users. Plus, it's one of the few bands where AM mode is popular.
I didn't know (but am not surprised) that GMRS operators are issued call signs. Are MURS operators and higher-powered (licensed) FRS operators also issued call signs?
73 backatcha from Alaska,
JasonW
> > Hello Neil,
> >
> > Have you ever met a ham with a call sign like this:
> KBUA9435
> > ?
> >
> > Probably not, unless the ham is old enough to have been
> > required to get a license to operate on 11 meters (CB).
> >
> > That's my late father's old call sign. He was one of the
> > last to take the CB exam and be issued a license before
> the
> > FCC threw up its hands and left 11 meters to be a radio
> > sandbox. :-( Going on there with that call sign and
> > calling CQ gets some, um, interesting responses. --
>
> > Jason
> >
>
>
> Jason,
>
> Seeing that 11-meter call brought back a nostalgic memory of
> hearing my late maternal grandfather signing off with
> "KMQ5207, clear".
>
> In my 11-meter days, my dad and I both used the "207" from
> his call.
>
> The call you mention sounds alot like the current GMRS
> format calls.
>
>
> 73 from 5-land in Texas!
>
Use your grandfather's call sign proudly!
Hmmm...I wonder if other older CBers use their call signs? When I go on 11 meters, I try to be an example (not snooty or "goody two-shoes") of proper operating procedures. Just as 160 meters is informally known as the "gentlemen's band," perhaps older CBers and hams could reclaim 11 meters as a piece of civilized radio real estate by setting higher standards and being examples to other users. Plus, it's one of the few bands where AM mode is popular.
I didn't know (but am not surprised) that GMRS operators are issued call signs. Are MURS operators and higher-powered (licensed) FRS operators also issued call signs?
73 backatcha from Alaska,
JasonW
> > Hello Neil,
> >
> > Have you ever met a ham with a call sign like this:
> KBUA9435
> > ?
> >
> > Probably not, unless the ham is old enough to have been
> > required to get a license to operate on 11 meters (CB).
> >
> > That's my late father's old call sign. He was one of the
> > last to take the CB exam and be issued a license before
> the
> > FCC threw up its hands and left 11 meters to be a radio
> > sandbox. :-( Going on there with that call sign and
> > calling CQ gets some, um, interesting responses.
-- >
> > Jason
> >
>
>
> Jason,
>
> Seeing that 11-meter call brought back a nostalgic memory of
> hearing my late maternal grandfather signing off with
> "KMQ5207, clear".
>
> In my 11-meter days, my dad and I both used the "207" from
> his call.
>
> The call you mention sounds alot like the current GMRS
> format calls.
>
>
> 73 from 5-land in Texas!
>
C
C414
Guest
Re: How's this for a call sign?
It's been seemingly a hundred years since I've been on 11 meters, although I have a Uniden SSB rig with a Wilson Silver Load whip should I get the bug again.
I will proudly use the call sign...right alongside the ham calls I have.
MURS, oddly enough, is grouped under Part 95 and is considered part of the Citizen's Band service. No licenses are needed.
FRS is limited to 500 mW and integrated antenna. No license needed. GMRS usually operates 1-5 watts and can have a detached antenna. License is required.
73!
> Use your grandfather's call sign proudly!
>
> Hmmm...I wonder if other older CBers use their call signs?
> When I go on 11 meters, I try to be an example (not snooty
> or "goody two-shoes") of proper operating procedures. Just
> as 160 meters is informally known as the "gentlemen's band,"
> perhaps older CBers and hams could reclaim 11 meters as a
> piece of civilized radio real estate by setting higher
> standards and being examples to other users. Plus, it's one
> of the few bands where AM mode is popular.
>
> I didn't know (but am not surprised) that GMRS operators are
> issued call signs. Are MURS operators and higher-powered
> (licensed) FRS operators also issued call signs?
>
> 73 backatcha from Alaska,
>
> JasonW
>
> > > Hello Neil,
> > >
> > > Have you ever met a ham with a call sign like this:
> > KBUA9435
> > > ?
> > >
> > > Probably not, unless the ham is old enough to have been
> > > required to get a license to operate on 11 meters (CB).
> > >
> > > That's my late father's old call sign. He was one of
> the
> > > last to take the CB exam and be issued a license before
> > the
> > > FCC threw up its hands and left 11 meters to be a radio
> > > sandbox. :-( Going on there with that call sign and
> > > calling CQ gets some, um, interesting responses.
> --
> >
> > > Jason
> > >
> >
> >
> > Jason,
> >
> > Seeing that 11-meter call brought back a nostalgic memory
> of
> > hearing my late maternal grandfather signing off with
> > "KMQ5207, clear".
> >
> > In my 11-meter days, my dad and I both used the "207" from
>
> > his call.
> >
> > The call you mention sounds alot like the current GMRS
> > format calls.
> >
> >
> > 73 from 5-land in Texas!
> >
>
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It's been seemingly a hundred years since I've been on 11 meters, although I have a Uniden SSB rig with a Wilson Silver Load whip should I get the bug again.
I will proudly use the call sign...right alongside the ham calls I have.
MURS, oddly enough, is grouped under Part 95 and is considered part of the Citizen's Band service. No licenses are needed.
FRS is limited to 500 mW and integrated antenna. No license needed. GMRS usually operates 1-5 watts and can have a detached antenna. License is required.
73!
> Use your grandfather's call sign proudly!
>
> Hmmm...I wonder if other older CBers use their call signs?
> When I go on 11 meters, I try to be an example (not snooty
> or "goody two-shoes") of proper operating procedures. Just
> as 160 meters is informally known as the "gentlemen's band,"
> perhaps older CBers and hams could reclaim 11 meters as a
> piece of civilized radio real estate by setting higher
> standards and being examples to other users. Plus, it's one
> of the few bands where AM mode is popular.
>
> I didn't know (but am not surprised) that GMRS operators are
> issued call signs. Are MURS operators and higher-powered
> (licensed) FRS operators also issued call signs?
>
> 73 backatcha from Alaska,
>
> JasonW
>
> > > Hello Neil,
> > >
> > > Have you ever met a ham with a call sign like this:
> > KBUA9435
> > > ?
> > >
> > > Probably not, unless the ham is old enough to have been
> > > required to get a license to operate on 11 meters (CB).
> > >
> > > That's my late father's old call sign. He was one of
> the
> > > last to take the CB exam and be issued a license before
> > the
> > > FCC threw up its hands and left 11 meters to be a radio
> > > sandbox. :-( Going on there with that call sign and
> > > calling CQ gets some, um, interesting responses.
> --
> >
> > > Jason
> > >
> >
> >
> > Jason,
> >
> > Seeing that 11-meter call brought back a nostalgic memory
> of
> > hearing my late maternal grandfather signing off with
> > "KMQ5207, clear".
> >
> > In my 11-meter days, my dad and I both used the "207" from
>
> > his call.
> >
> > The call you mention sounds alot like the current GMRS
> > format calls.
> >
> >
> > 73 from 5-land in Texas!
> >
>
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Re: How's this for a call sign?
> Use your grandfather's call sign proudly!
>
> Hmmm...I wonder if other older CBers use their call signs?
> When I go on 11 meters, I try to be an example (not snooty
> or "goody two-shoes") of proper operating procedures. Just
> as 160 meters is informally known as the "gentlemen's band,"
> perhaps older CBers and hams could reclaim 11 meters as a
> piece of civilized radio real estate by setting higher
> standards and being examples to other users. Plus, it's one
> of the few bands where AM mode is popular.
>
> I didn't know (but am not surprised) that GMRS operators are
> issued call signs. Are MURS operators and higher-powered
> (licensed) FRS operators also issued call signs?
>
> 73 backatcha from Alaska,
>
> JasonW
>
> > > Hello Neil,
> > >
> > > Have you ever met a ham with a call sign like this:
> > KBUA9435
> > > ?
> > >
> > > Probably not, unless the ham is old enough to have been
> > > required to get a license to operate on 11 meters (CB).
> > >
> > > That's my late father's old call sign. He was one of
> the
> > > last to take the CB exam and be issued a license before
> > the
> > > FCC threw up its hands and left 11 meters to be a radio
> > > sandbox. :-( Going on there with that call sign and
> > > calling CQ gets some, um, interesting responses.
> --
> >
> > > Jason
> > >
> >
> >
> > Jason,
> >
> > Seeing that 11-meter call brought back a nostalgic memory
> of
> > hearing my late maternal grandfather signing off with
> > "KMQ5207, clear".
> >
> > In my 11-meter days, my dad and I both used the "207" from
>
> > his call.
> >
> > The call you mention sounds alot like the current GMRS
> > format calls.
> >
> >
> > 73 from 5-land in Texas!
> >
>
Jason,
I guess we really hijacked this thread, but it is fun. I don't recall a test for a CB license. I just paid $25 (before Judge Green threw them out) and got a call sign. It was a 3x4. The one you mentioned was a 4x4. Never heard one of those, but I suppose that happened.
In the old days (middle 70's) there were quite a few of us on channel 12 in Cincinnati. We all had "handles" but we also used our call signs. It truly was a gentleman's (and so ladies too) band. No lowering our IQ's by thirty points when we talked. Some of us met socially and became friends. Once I broke the morse code block that I had, I got a ham license. I operated both CB and ham for quite a while.
There was a caste system in place where CB'ers were scum to hams. We broke that in Cincy because of some great people who got the two groups together. The CBers offered numbers, the hams offered range. I have worked emergencies with both groups and people are the same. I still have some great friends from this even though I left Cincy 20 years ago and have not been active in public service since.
Sorry if this bores anyone, I just thought some here might enjoy a light topic.
Neil
> Use your grandfather's call sign proudly!
>
> Hmmm...I wonder if other older CBers use their call signs?
> When I go on 11 meters, I try to be an example (not snooty
> or "goody two-shoes") of proper operating procedures. Just
> as 160 meters is informally known as the "gentlemen's band,"
> perhaps older CBers and hams could reclaim 11 meters as a
> piece of civilized radio real estate by setting higher
> standards and being examples to other users. Plus, it's one
> of the few bands where AM mode is popular.
>
> I didn't know (but am not surprised) that GMRS operators are
> issued call signs. Are MURS operators and higher-powered
> (licensed) FRS operators also issued call signs?
>
> 73 backatcha from Alaska,
>
> JasonW
>
> > > Hello Neil,
> > >
> > > Have you ever met a ham with a call sign like this:
> > KBUA9435
> > > ?
> > >
> > > Probably not, unless the ham is old enough to have been
> > > required to get a license to operate on 11 meters (CB).
> > >
> > > That's my late father's old call sign. He was one of
> the
> > > last to take the CB exam and be issued a license before
> > the
> > > FCC threw up its hands and left 11 meters to be a radio
> > > sandbox. :-( Going on there with that call sign and
> > > calling CQ gets some, um, interesting responses.
> --
> >
> > > Jason
> > >
> >
> >
> > Jason,
> >
> > Seeing that 11-meter call brought back a nostalgic memory
> of
> > hearing my late maternal grandfather signing off with
> > "KMQ5207, clear".
> >
> > In my 11-meter days, my dad and I both used the "207" from
>
> > his call.
> >
> > The call you mention sounds alot like the current GMRS
> > format calls.
> >
> >
> > 73 from 5-land in Texas!
> >
>
Jason,
I guess we really hijacked this thread, but it is fun. I don't recall a test for a CB license. I just paid $25 (before Judge Green threw them out) and got a call sign. It was a 3x4. The one you mentioned was a 4x4. Never heard one of those, but I suppose that happened.
In the old days (middle 70's) there were quite a few of us on channel 12 in Cincinnati. We all had "handles" but we also used our call signs. It truly was a gentleman's (and so ladies too) band. No lowering our IQ's by thirty points when we talked. Some of us met socially and became friends. Once I broke the morse code block that I had, I got a ham license. I operated both CB and ham for quite a while.
There was a caste system in place where CB'ers were scum to hams. We broke that in Cincy because of some great people who got the two groups together. The CBers offered numbers, the hams offered range. I have worked emergencies with both groups and people are the same. I still have some great friends from this even though I left Cincy 20 years ago and have not been active in public service since.
Sorry if this bores anyone, I just thought some here might enjoy a light topic.
Neil
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Re: How's this for a call sign?
> Jason,
>
> I guess we really hijacked this thread, but it is fun. I
> don't recall a test for a CB license. I just paid $25
> (before Judge Green threw them out) and got a call sign. It
> was a 3x4. The one you mentioned was a 4x4. Never heard
> one of those, but I suppose that happened.
>
> In the old days (middle 70's) there were quite a few of us
> on channel 12 in Cincinnati. We all had "handles" but we
> also used our call signs. It truly was a gentleman's (and
> so ladies too) band. No lowering our IQ's by thirty points
> when we talked. Some of us met socially and became friends.
> Once I broke the morse code block that I had, I got a ham
> license. I operated both CB and ham for quite a while.
>
> There was a caste system in place where CB'ers were scum to
> hams. We broke that in Cincy because of some great people
> who got the two groups together. The CBers offered numbers,
> the hams offered range. I have worked emergencies with both
> groups and people are the same. I still have some great
> friends from this even though I left Cincy 20 years ago and
> have not been active in public service since.
>
> Sorry if this bores anyone, I just thought some here might
> enjoy a light topic.
>
> Neil
>
Sure is good to hear a story from the "good old days of CB" before it became the "criminal band". Truth is, they could both peacefully co-exist...with the right people, that is.
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> Jason,
>
> I guess we really hijacked this thread, but it is fun. I
> don't recall a test for a CB license. I just paid $25
> (before Judge Green threw them out) and got a call sign. It
> was a 3x4. The one you mentioned was a 4x4. Never heard
> one of those, but I suppose that happened.
>
> In the old days (middle 70's) there were quite a few of us
> on channel 12 in Cincinnati. We all had "handles" but we
> also used our call signs. It truly was a gentleman's (and
> so ladies too) band. No lowering our IQ's by thirty points
> when we talked. Some of us met socially and became friends.
> Once I broke the morse code block that I had, I got a ham
> license. I operated both CB and ham for quite a while.
>
> There was a caste system in place where CB'ers were scum to
> hams. We broke that in Cincy because of some great people
> who got the two groups together. The CBers offered numbers,
> the hams offered range. I have worked emergencies with both
> groups and people are the same. I still have some great
> friends from this even though I left Cincy 20 years ago and
> have not been active in public service since.
>
> Sorry if this bores anyone, I just thought some here might
> enjoy a light topic.
>
> Neil
>
Sure is good to hear a story from the "good old days of CB" before it became the "criminal band". Truth is, they could both peacefully co-exist...with the right people, that is.
<P ID="signature">______________
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