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Party 101.5 no longer on the air

All of a sudden a little before 5PM yesterday it cut out in the middle of a song and was replaced with a feed from Lite fm.
 
I just checked 101.5, and it is still carrying WLTW.
I wish that JVC would use 101.5 for relaying sister station WJVC 96.1, My Country.
 
Someone might have bumped the dial. There's no need for Clear Channel to relay Lite FM in Nassau, and why would JVC want to relay a Clear Channel station?
 
I checked into this online. W268AN, the translator that has been simulcasting WPTY and now WLTW on 101.5, is owned by Apple Community Broadcasting, in Coram.
W296BT, the flea powered translator that recently went on air in Union City NJ on 106.5, is owned by Apple 107.1, at the same address as the entity listed above. They are reportedly simulcasting WLTW HD2. They have applied for a change to 106.3 out of 1 Times Square in New York, with a relatively beefy 100 watts.
I do not have any further information. But perhaps (just a guess) Apple is trying to put together some sort of an extended service area for country WLTW HD2, or some other local station with a relatively weak signal. Broadcasting HD2 stations on translators receivable by ordinary radios has become popular in a number of other cities, and is apparently totally legal.

W268AN:http://cdbs.recnet.net:8080/fmq.php...&cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=A9BGM3QRPYT4C

W296BT (they are evidently incorrect about the 107.1 frequency): http://cdbs.recnet.net:8080/fmq.php...&cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=A9BGM3QRPYT4C
 
So I wonder what happened between JVC and Apple that led to them losing Party 101.5. I was under the impression that JVC owned Party 101.5 outright.

Might as well be a religious station than simulcast WLTW HD1 which has a perfect signal in the area. Only Apple would be boneheaded to apply for a translator on 106.5 that nobody can hear. And if Clear Channel's now paying them, why not simulcast Z100 or KTU on 101.5 to take some of Party's audience.
 
That flea powered translator for country WLTW HD2 that Apple operates in Union City NJ on the ridiculous frequency of 106.5 is just to give them a toehold in this area. Their real goal is indicated by the map linked below. That would be their respectable coverage area if the F.C.C. approves their modification request. If their Nassau translator on 101.5 is also rebroadcasting the same station, they could provide (with a few large gaps) coverage from eastern NJ through downtown Manhattan into Nassau county.
The part that I am guessing is that there may be a reason both of these co-owned repeaters are broadcasting WLTW channels. Perhaps eventually an analog signal for WLTW HD2 will emerge on both. But I have no idea why one is broadcasting WLTW HD2, and the other the regular WLTW. Maybe Apple simply has an agreement with Clear Channel to use the WLTW's as placeholders for something else.

A pretty decent coverage area for the Union City NJ translator, if their move to Times Square is approved: http://cdbs.recnet.net:8080/goo_curves.php?data=40.756|73.987|0.099|271.2|60|104180|292|0|2
 
Why not simulcast Party FM on both frequencies and bring them back to New York City? Party 101.5 already has an established audience that will listen to the flea powered translator. And Party had an audience at 87.7 in New York City.
 
I was under the impression that JVC owned Party 101.5 outright.
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If they did it would have never been allowed to translate 105.3 to begin with as 101.5 is not within 105.3 primary coverage area....Commerical owned stations cannot purchase translators in order to extend coverage of their primary signal (only non-commericals can).....The only way is if the translator is owned by someone else and they translate the commerical station for free with no money exchanged.....Remember the whole Jukebox Radio mess years back with 99.7 WJUX on translators 94.3 (Pomona) & 103.1 (Fort Lee)?
 
i here also that the other translator they were using for there spainish station has flipped over to country music 96.9.
 
GSP163 said:
I was under the impression that JVC owned Party 101.5 outright.
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If they did it would have never been allowed to translate 105.3 to begin with as 101.5 is not within 105.3 primary coverage area....Commerical owned stations cannot purchase translators in order to extend coverage of their primary signal (only non-commericals can).....The only way is if the translator is owned by someone else and they translate the commerical station for free with no money exchanged.....Remember the whole Jukebox Radio mess years back with 99.7 WJUX on translators 94.3 (Pomona) & 103.1 (Fort Lee)?
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AM and HD channels as well considering they are "technically" non commercial. Thus leaving the case of WLTW-HD2 being on 101.5
 
d21ofnj said:
AM and HD channels as well considering they are "technically" non commercial. Thus leaving the case of WLTW-HD2 being on 101.5
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Quite the opposite, actually: all AM stations are commercial by default, though licensees can file for noncommercial status in order to reduce filing and spectrum fees. When the FCC began allowing AM-on-FM translators, it declined to create special rules for noncommercial AMs. Any translator owned by the licensee of the AM station it's relaying must therefore have its 60 dBu contour contained entirely within the AM station's 2 mV/m daytime contour or a 25-mile radius of the AM transmitter, whichever is smaller.

And for FM HD, the subchannel is considered equivalent to the main channel for translator purposes. So a translator relaying a commercial station's HD2 (WLTW-106.7-HD2, for example) is bound by the commercial rules - it has to be fed over the air, and its 60 dBu can't exceed the protected contour of its parent station if it's owned by the parent station. A translator relaying a noncommercial station's HD2 (WNYC-FM's 93.9-2, for instance) can be owned by the parent station even if it extends coverage beyond the parent station's protected contour. It still has to be fed over-the-air unless it's in the noncommercial band (88.1-91.9), in which case it can be fed by any method.

Even leaving translators aside, FM HD subchannels are not "technically" noncommercial. They follow the license of their parent station: WNYC can't run commercials on its HD2/3 channels, but a commercially-licensed station like WLTW certainly can.
 
Thing is, it's translating 106.7 HD1, the primary signal. As such, that translator is now a complete waste of 10 watts. No one will put up with the static on 101.5 when 106.7 is crystal clear.
 
It is impressive how well 10 watts can get out, when on a relatively clear frequency, such as 101.5. I am receiving in southern Westchester County WLTW on W268AN 101.5, just as clearly as 106.7. The RDS works too, though it is giving an incorrect call sign. The translator ID'ed in morse code five minutes past the hour.
The owners of the LI translator appear to be quite clever, as indicated by their F.C.C. filings for permission to convert their tiny translator signal carrying WLTW HD2 in Union City NJ to one that would cover a considerable chunk of NYC and the surrounding area. So they probably have a good reason for (temporarily?) carrying WLTW on 101.5.
But I do wonder why they are not broadcasting WLTW HD2 instead, like their sister NJ translator W296BT.
 
Barry said:
It is impressive how well 10 watts can get out, when on a relatively clear frequency, such as 101.5. I am receiving in southern Westchester County WLTW on W268AN 101.5, just as clearly as 106.7. The RDS works too, though it is giving an incorrect call sign. The translator ID'ed in morse code five minutes past the hour.
The owners of the LI translator appear to be quite clever, as indicated by their F.C.C. filings for permission to convert their tiny translator signal carrying WLTW HD2 in Union City NJ to one that would cover a considerable chunk of NYC and the surrounding area. So they probably have a good reason for (temporarily?) carrying WLTW on 101.5.
But I do wonder why they are not broadcasting WLTW HD2 instead, like their sister NJ translator W296BT.
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The translator went on the air late in 2007 for the purpose of translating Party 105.3. They probably don't have an HD radio at the translator site.
I've heard Party 101.5 all the way in central NJ once during tropo. Very impressive for a 10 watt station competing with the blowtorch of New Jersey 101.5.

Maybe they should just switch it back to the old "Party 105" imaging they had before they went on 87.7
 
newyorkfreestyle said:
thier contract expired and they are in contract re-negotiations. thats all. no conspiracies here.
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Maybe once JVC and the owner of 101.5 have renegotiated, 101.5 will end up as a simulcast of MY COUNTRY 96.1 WJVC. MY COUNTRY 96.1 mention on their Facebook page they'd be getting a more powerful signal in the near future. Maybe this is what they meant.
 
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