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SirRoxalot said:
Get out of your office, David. Get down into the trenches as see what's REALLY going on out here.

Your all-inclusive bitterness sounds like the rantings of someone who was fired and wants to blame it on the industry rather than themselves. Or the rantings of a radio outsider who fails to see that bad news gets publicity and good news seldom does, so you think every station is doing all the things... many of which are not bad... that you list.

Some of your examples represent the evolution of radio... something you don't understand if you think McLendon initiated the era of evil corporate radio. In fact, your facts are so often wrong that I believe your distorted and wrong view of how radio got to where we are today seriously impedes your ability to evaluate radio at all.

Syndicated shows are more prevalent today because of technology, which gives us the ability to do satellite distribution or small T1 fed nets today within costs that are in line with the economics of radio. We would have done much more of this earlier, but it was too expensive or a convenient technology did not exist.

"Local" by the way has never been proven to be a compelling issue except to radio's critics, not to radio's listeners. Either a show or format is entertaining or compelling in some way, or it is not. "Entertaining" always beats "Local." Keep in mind that the first several decades of radio, and TV to this day depended on network shows, and "local" shows tend to be also-rans except for cash deliverars such as local news and hour or two a day.

Sales commission adjustments are very common as rates increase or ratings make a station much more desirable. You do not seriously exxpect a station that goes from $10 million in billing to $30 million to keep the same commissions? And list changes are and have been common in radio for five or six decades. If one seller can not make an account productive, they lose the account and try others. That is normal in radio or the sale of ball bearings.

As to cost cutting, we are in a recession. You certainly don't expect any business to keep the same expenses when revenues are considerably lower, do you?

As an aside, stations all over are looking at promotion expenses to be more efficient in spending... this has been going on for decades since the number of viable stations in each market increased by an average of 250% as FM became viable. Thirty stations doing street hits and billboards and TV means none achieves a decent share of voice, and the campaigns are often useless. I was involved for 22 years with a top 15 market station that was #1 for all those years and never spent a penny on marketing or contesting... because we decided to spend the money on product and talent. We never needed jingles (never had them) or any of the needless things you mention, in fact. See, again you are apparently using isolated or specific company or station experience to tar and feather the entire industry.

As to "getting out," I spend nearly half the days of the year "on the street" talking to listeners and working with stations in many, many markets. That's how I know that "local" stations with nice fresh jingles is not the answer!

Of course, you have continued to moan and whine, and not presented a single suggestion on how we should manage, research and program.
 
Yeah, I've been fired in the past - but not in the last 20 years. As far as "rantings" are concerned, I'm as on the inside as anybody on the front lines can get.

I've got one thing in my resume that you don't. I've been a successful air personality. I've also been on the management side of the fence. I've been successful at both, in small markets and in large markets, over a long period of time. My knowledge comes from DOING IT on air and off, not READING ABOUT IT.

McClendon didn't initiate the era of "evil corporate radio". "Evil corporate" has always tried to grab radio (and TV) as far back as RCA creating the NBC Red and Blue networks in an attempt to control what was broadcast in markets across the country. If the FRC, and later the FCC hadn't stepped in and limited both reach and broadcast hours, a few large corporations (NBC, CBS, Westinghouse, etc.) would have controlled radio as a medium for most of the country.

It wasn't until 1996 that Big Corporate finally got a chance to grab control of large swaths of the radio spectrum, and they wildly overspent in an attempt to do just that.

Clear Channel wiped out a lot of local broadcasting in smaller markets in favor of syndication or voice tracking. Ultimately, they sold off many of those markets because they couldn't make money. It seems that a lot of local radio stations lost both listeners and advertisers because "big city" programming didn't interest small town folks.

You've tagged Dan Mason as "a fool who wants to push out PPM before the sample is proportional. I think history will show he is makiing more mistakes than correct decisions." That fool is doing a heck of a job repairing the damage that Joel Hollander did with the "Jackification" of CBS. Sorry if Hollander is one of your personal heroes. We'll see how history evolves, but I'd bet a lot more money on Mason being a radio savior than Hollander.

Get behind a microphone and CREATE product instead of selling it. Talk to listeners outside the artificial confines of a focus group or music tests. While you're at it, try and keep your family together for at $45K per year - plus what you might make on the side spinning weddings and bar gigs.

I've gotten beyond all that, and I'm quite comfortable now, thank you. My life, and my family are stable and doing well. But I haven't forgotten that life, and I still see others trying to pay their kids college tuition by working a second job, or spinning bar gigs and bar mitzvahs. Then "corporate" determines that they're "overpaid" - even though their ratings are top 3 in the target audience - and forces them to either take a pay cut, VT another station or two for little or no compensation, or walk the plank.

My job is pretty secure. My biggest advantage as far as job security is concerned is that NOBODY is coming up to replace me. NOBODY in their right mind has any intention of getting into the radio business as it exists today. When Wi-Fi becomes ubiquitous in the bigger markets, we'll see how many people tune into national streams instead of local providers who offer relatable personalities and locally-targeted music.

You want suggestions on how you should "manage, research and program"?

1. Hire talent, and pay them fairly. Talent is found in programming, sales, promotions, and creative services (among others).

2. Allow on-air talent to claim ownership of that daypart - which doesn't mean running off at the mouth for minutes at a time, but does mean allowing them to be creative in conveying the music, features, and promotions provided by programming department.

3. Hire programmers who have a clue about how to develop on-air talent, and give them the time to do just that.

4. Let sales people AND programming people share in the success of a station. If billing goes from $10-million to $30-million, who do you think MADE THAT HAPPEN? Corporate? I'm not saying to split the extra $20-million among the sales and programming people, but some piece of that should go to the people that created that additional wealth, not into the bonuses of the top 10% of the management structure.

5. Give programmers the time and money to do more research with a wider segment of the audience. Stop concentrating on JUST the P1s for a particular format and find out why overall audiences are shrinking, and TSL is declining.

If somebody doesn't stop the bleeding, and rebuild the trust of both listeners and advertisers, radio won't survive - automated or not.
 
Stop complaining and start doing:

1. Put together a business plan
2. Find investors for your perfect station and buy it
3. Hire the best and pay them what they're worth
4. Expand your research and music list

Come back and see us in 3 years and prove us all wrong.
If you do, you'll be a mult-millionaire. :)
 
I'm not complaining. I'm observing, and commenting on what I'm seeing.

I'm past the time in my life where I'm interested in taking on the type of challenge that you suggest. Besides, the well is so poisoned at this point that nobody in their right mind will invest in radio. Stockholders are voting with their feet - and the dollars that they've pulled out of broadcast stocks.

I'm playing out the string at this point, with both amusement and bemusement at the actions of corporate. I love radio, which is why I care, but my self image is not dependent on the approval of others.

You money guys play your games. So far, most of the companies you run are losing big time. Unfortunately, it's not hitting YOU in the pocket book, or the platinum parachute. You look stockholders in the eye, dig your foot into the oriental carpet, and tell them "hold on, it will get better, HD Radio will be a savior, NTR is growing, blah-blah-blah" and walk away with fat bonuses while radio burns. Maybe I should have gone in that direction a few years back, but my parents cursed me with a CONSCIENCE.

Yeah, count me among the "suckers". At least I can sleep at night.

BTW, I'm done with this discussion. I've said what I have to say, and I don't think that I'll persuade "David Eduardo" and others of my POV, and I know that you're not likely to persuade me. Believe me, it's NOT personal. I'm pretty sure that I'm beyond your reach, although I do have to remain anonymous to comply with my terms of employment.

So, go ahead and call me names, besmirch my honor, my ancestry, and my progeny. It will tell the people interested in this discussion more about YOU than it does about ME.
 
SirRoxalot said:
Yeah, I've been fired in the past - but not in the last 20 years. As far as "rantings" are concerned, I'm as on the inside as anybody on the front lines can get.

Parden me, but I am very skeptical of that assertion. With your attitudes towards management, programming, research and sales It would astound me to find that you acually were employed at a viable, real, commercial station today.

I've got one thing in my resume that you don't. I've been a successful air personality.

So? I moved from gofer to intern to owner without taking that step because I was not good on the air. Where does it say you have to be a good on-air talent to own, run or create a successful station? The difference is that the stations I have been with are in my on-line resume, yet you, for all we know, have never stepped inside a radio station.

I've also been on the management side of the fence. I've been successful at both, in small markets and in large markets, over a long period of time. My knowledge comes from DOING IT on air and off, not READING ABOUT IT.

As does mine, as can be easily seen. You, on the other hand, have shown noting but disdain for those of us doing something in the industry... what are your credentials? Time to fish or cut bait.

McClendon didn't initiate the era of "evil corporate radio".

You said as much a few posts back when you broight him into the discussion with, to repeat the word, a total disdain for the facts about who he was and what he did.

"Evil corporate" has always tried to grab radio (and TV) as far back as RCA creating the NBC Red and Blue networks in an attempt to control what was broadcast in markets across the country.

Yet the big money maker in the thirties was CBS. The fact is, there were no duopoly rules, so nothing was done wrong. Business in any field will try to expand to the limit of the law, as it is profitable to do so. In any case, when the two nets became an issue, the government decided one had to be separated and ABC was born.

If the FRC, and later the FCC hadn't stepped in and limited both reach and broadcast hours, a few large corporations (NBC, CBS, Westinghouse, etc.) would have controlled radio as a medium for most of the country.

Other than the stwo networks, there was no real concentration or attempt to create same. By the later 40's, the few duopolies such as KFI and KECA and Arnie Bulova's stations in NYC were broken up. At that time, nearly every station in the US made money, save the relatively few independent stations which had a hard time, between the networks and the AFM.

By the mid-50's, a couple of years after the freeze was lifted, half of all stations were not profitable, a state that would be the rule into the 90's, enhanced by the expolsion of options as FM became viable and the mistakes like Docket 80-90.

It wasn't until 1996 that Big Corporate finally got a chance to grab control of large swaths of the radio spectrum, and they wildly overspent in an attempt to do just that.

Funny, but most consolidation was achieved via merger and equity offerings, not cash purchases.

Clear Channel wiped out a lot of local broadcasting in smaller markets in favor of syndication or voice tracking. Ultimately, they sold off many of those markets because they couldn't make money.

What they tried to do was make smaller markets attractive to national advertisers by creating regional ratings and synergies. Unfortunately, it did not work but nobody else had dared to try this. They shoud receive some credit for trying to change the sales model.

The reasons they sold most of those markets is that the margins were low, and made the whole company look bad.

You've tagged Dan Mason as "a fool who wants to push out PPM before the sample is proportional. I think history will show he is makiing more mistakes than correct decisions." That fool is doing a heck of a job repairing the damage that Joel Hollander did with the "Jackification" of CBS.

Jack in LA is the 6th highest biller in the USA. It's an amazingly entertianing and fun station without jocks. jack in NY had 25-54 numbers that are pretty similar to those of the reinstalled but updated WCBS FM, so the error was one of PR, not of programming. Mason's oldies station in Chicago is a wonderful 20th in 25-54...

Sorry if Hollander is one of your personal heroes. We'll see how history evolves, but I'd bet a lot more money on Mason being a radio savior than Hollander.

It's often said that one should never take over at any business that is #1. There is no upside and horrible downside. Hollander had to deal with the loss of Stern, and failed to replace Stern (maybe impossible) and entered the ring when radio was in stagnation, particularly non-ethinic radio. His dumbest act was taking the job.

My job is pretty secure. My biggest advantage as far as job security is concerned is that NOBODY is coming up to replace me. NOBODY in their right mind has any intention of getting into the radio business as it exists today.

Funny, but in the last few years I have hired two MBAs in marketing and finance from outside radio and the media. Both love it, and contribute daily with out of the box ideas.

When Wi-Fi becomes ubiquitous in the bigger markets, we'll see how many people tune into national streams instead of local providers who offer relatable personalities and locally-targeted music.

WiFi is being discontinued after city-wide installs have failed in a number of markets. WiMAX may be what is in the future, but we are dealing with technology that changes very fast. Satellite turned out to be a minor sidebar which has lost nearly $8 billion since launching.

1. Hire talent, and pay them fairly. Talent is found in programming, sales, promotions, and creative services (among others).

Some companies actually do that... you just seem to have ended up at the wrong place at the wrong time.

2. Allow on-air talent to claim ownership of that daypart - which doesn't mean running off at the mouth for minutes at a time, but does mean allowing them to be creative in conveying the music, features, and promotions provided by programming department.

The very few who can do that engagingly are doing it now. Look at people like Jed the Fish in LA... you se him being fettered? In many cases, talent is restricted because the format does not succeed by talking too much per listener feedback. In many formats, listeners overwhelmingly don't want chatter in certain dayparts. Again, the example of Jack in LA is very significant.

Then again, if you did not see the art, talent and excitement of KHJ or KFRC or CKLW, etc., you probably can not see the talent, appropriate for each format and market that exists today.

Hire programmers who have a clue about how to develop on-air talent, and give them the time to do just that.

You are looking in the wrong places, I think. I see many of these programmers all over, inside and outside the building(s). There have always been PDs who could not rrain and aircheck, and those who could. For the same reason CBS could not replace Stern, it's hard to find a great PD.

5. Give programmers the time and money to do more research with a wider segment of the audience. Stop concentrating on JUST the P1s for a particular format and find out why overall audiences are shrinking, and TSL is declining.

We've been over this. Researching people who only have a passing interest in a music station's music style are never going to be listeners. We already research existing formats against format partisans as well as station partisans. It's funny, but in every market, we find that if a format has appeal to a person they are already cuming it. If they are not, there is universally nothing we can do to make them like our statio unless we change the station so much that we lose our existing audience, which is generally ill advised.

If somebody doesn't stop the bleeding, and rebuild the trust of both listeners and advertisers, radio won't survive - automated or not.

Your solution, in other words, is to spend lots more money on things that have been proven to be of little value or ability to increase either ratings or revenues. Problems are generally not solved by throwing money at them. They are solved by throwing intelligence at them, and that means paying for the most competent management you can get.
 
SirRoxalot said:
I'm not complaining. I'm observing, and commenting on what I'm seeing.

I'm past the time in my life where I'm interested in taking on the type of challenge that you suggest. Besides, the well is so poisoned at this point that nobody in their right mind will invest in radio. Stockholders are voting with their feet - and the dollars that they've pulled out of broadcast stocks.

I'm playing out the string at this point, with both amusement and bemusement at the actions of corporate. I love radio, which is why I care, but my self image is not dependent on the approval of others.

You money guys play your games. So far, most of the companies you run are losing big time. Unfortunately, it's not hitting YOU in the pocket book, or the platinum parachute. You look stockholders in the eye, dig your foot into the oriental carpet, and tell them "hold on, it will get better, HD Radio will be a savior, NTR is growing, blah-blah-blah" and walk away with fat bonuses while radio burns. Maybe I should have gone in that direction a few years back, but my parents cursed me with a CONSCIENCE.

Yeah, count me among the "suckers". At least I can sleep at night.

BTW, I'm done with this discussion. I've said what I have to say, and I don't think that I'll persuade "David Eduardo" and others of my POV, and I know that you're not likely to persuade me. Believe me, it's NOT personal. I'm pretty sure that I'm beyond your reach, although I do have to remain anonymous to comply with my terms of employment.

So, go ahead and call me names, besmirch my honor, my ancestry, and my progeny. It will tell the people interested in this discussion more about YOU than it does about ME.

Wow, I feel sad for you and the people who work around you. Bitterness is toxic for you and everyone around you.
Just about any business/industry has had to evolve and many have become irrelevant, through no fault of their own.

Banking, insurance, gas station attendants, turntable/cart machine/reel to reel makers, just to name a few.
Times change, go with the flow and be thankful you are still in the game.
 
Really. Notice that the Drake stations used very short, well done jingles, not minute long marathons. I would not call CKLW a '"full service approach"...it certainly WAS NOT WJR. In the 70s the news, though very factual with a large news department, was many the first tabloid news. (By the way, wouldn't the fact that people in small towns all over CKLW's coverage area in huge numbers listened to the big 8 nuke the argument that "the small town folk didn't like big city radio"?).
 
RE: SirRoxalot.........

I'd work with him in a second. Clearly, he wants to do good radio. Not just smooch somebody's hinney and cash his check. Bravo for all your statements SirRoxalot. Good to know there are still folks out there that have Radio in their blood.

Regarding the comment from David that we are in a recession and that is why there has been so much cost cutting. The firings and voice tracking started well before revenues were "considerably lower" in my market. You got GM's and the company suits with vacation homes, 75K+ car(s), etc. But, that mid day Mother of 3 who makes 30K a year (and has been on the in this market for 15 years) can be axed to make our profit margin look better for the stockholders. I know a GM that lives in a former drug dealers mansion, but that same station can't afford a full time airstaff? Come on guys, get off of SirRoxalot's back. The man doesn't want Radio to turn into Walmart. BTW, don't bother "picking apart" my post. I won't be back.
 
cheese said:
I'd work with him in a second. Clearly, he wants to do good radio.

As has been shown, his ideas on programming, management, research and sales either are too expensive for the industry today or for the current economic environment. That is either quixotic or impractical.

Regarding the comment from David that we are in a recession and that is why there has been so much cost cutting. The firings and voice tracking started well before revenues were "considerably lower" in my market.

We had voice tracking, under another name, back to the 60's. For certain formats, that is what was required.

Anyway, this is about more than voice tracking. It is about the optimum staff size, number of promo vehicles, contest budgets, etc. It's not just about having live jocks, something technology may well have made questionable for many formats.

You got GM's and the company suits with vacation homes, 75K+ car(s), etc.

So? You have that at WalMart and GE and McDonalds and General Dynamics. Without good management, the best talent in any deprtment, not just programming, will not succeed.

But, that mid day Mother of 3 who makes 30K a year (and has been on the in this market for 15 years) can be axed to make our profit margin look better for the stockholders.

... or for the local owner in Traverse City or Lake City or Ponca City where automotive is off by half and the local plant just layed off half the workers and who can not afford to do anything but go on the satellite for most of the day. There are over 11,000 stations in the US. Only about 2000 or so are owned by companies with 100 stations or more. The rest are much smaller, and very dependent on local sales in a period of recession.

I know a GM that lives in a former drug dealers mansion, but that same station can't afford a full time airstaff?

Maybe it does not need on. KCBS-FM in LA does not need one to be the 6th highest biller in the USA.

Come on guys, get off of SirRoxalot's back. The man doesn't want Radio to turn into Walmart. BTW, don't bother "picking apart" my post. I won't be back.

"I won't be back" indicates you have made up your mind and can't be bothered with either additional facts or different points of view. That certainly supports why you support Roxalot, who marches in the same column.
 
Laugh, and the world laughs with you...

DavidEduardo said:
"I won't be back" indicates you have made up your mind and can't be bothered with either additional facts or different points of view. That certainly supports why you support Roxalot, who marches in the same column.

"David Eduardo" accusing someone of being inflexible in their opinions, and unwilling to consider another POV. Now THAT'S funny.

Thanks for the laugh, "David". I'm sure that I'm not the only one who got a chuckle out of that...

PS - Thanks for the kind words, Cheese. Amazingly, most of the people I work with think that I'm a swell guy, and fun to be around.
 
Re: Laughin'

SirRoxalot said:
"David Eduardo" accusing someone of being inflexible in their opinions, and unwilling to consider another POV. Now THAT'S funny.

There is a difference between looking at different ideas within the range of ideas that might work.

So far, you have only presented criticisms, and no concrete ideas, other than increasing spending in a recession (which is a pretty vile idea in most cases).
 
The Last Word? I Doubt It...

So far, you've criticized every idea that doesn't match your own, and resorted to ad hominem attacks on anyone who disagrees with you. And you call ME bitter? And virtually called me a liar?

And, you - who hides behind a "quasi-ficticious" persona - chides me to display my "credentials"?

Oh, "David", you kill me. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

You've NEVER not carried a discussion on way past it's usefullness in an attempt to browbeat everyone who disagrees with you. You're apparently congenitally incapable of allowing someone else to have the final word, so go on, take your shot.

I can always use another laugh...
 
Re: The Last Word? I Doubt It...

SirRoxalot said:
So far, you've criticized every idea that doesn't match your own, and resorted to ad hominem attacks on anyone who disagrees with you. And you call ME bitter? And virtually called me a liar?

If you post things that are just patently wrong, consistently, what would you have me call you?

Examples are saying that the Drake stations reduced personality (they increased it), that McLendon (who you spell "McClendon") invented Top 40, that WLS was a Drake station, that larger playlists will increase ratings, that more talkative DJs will increase, in 2008, ratings, that radio research is badly done... get the point?

And, you - who hides behind a "quasi-ficticious" persona - chides me to display my "credentials"?

Yes, my identity and gigabytes of information are just a click away (see footer).

You, on the other hand, have not revealed anything that gives you credibility.
 
In the Interests of Accuracy...

Oops. Bumped the button and accidently posted, then was unable to modify the post because of time limits.

The above post should read:

You want to talk about accuracy? I NEVER said that WLS was a Drake station:

You are familiar with Drake stations in some markets, and not so familiar with others. Personality-oriented stations like WCFL and WLS in Chicago, WKBW in Buffalo (and most of the east coast at night), CKLW (which offered a much more full service approach with a serious news department) and others flourished for a long time before FM finally drew away their music listeners.

Todd Storz invented "Top 40" in the '50s, initially as a cut-down version of the "Top 100" countdowns that were popular. The Storz presentation had long jingles, lots of production elements, fast-talking jocks, lots of bits, SFX, and all the other "classic" Top 40 elements.

McLendon, Drake, and their imitators cut down the elements and simplified the Top 40 presentation with much shorter jingles, fewer elements, shorter rotations, and a lot less input from the jocks. I grew up in Buffalo, where McLendon's WYSL teapot attacked Jeff Kaye's blow torch WKBW with the slogan "More Music, Less Yak" - complete with billboards depicting a yak. I saw - and heard - the same approach at other stations in other markets around the country while I was coming up in the business. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. If the competition panicked, or didn't have the promotional wherewithal to combat the "new guys", McLendon et al would win - at least temporarily. It was far from the certainty that you make it out to be.

I've been accused of advocating "1000 song playlists". Find a reference that supports that, please. I've never advocated huge playlists, but it's painfully obvious that the 200 - 300 song rotations in use today are driving people to other entertainment media in search of some variety.

I've also advocated more freedom for local talent to perform. I'm not talking about minutes-long gabfests, but more live input over intros (ah, brevity!), tailored to the market and the moment, and fewer pre-produced liners and promos delivering the same tired positioning statements in the same tired manor 6 times an hour.

So, "David", I ask you, "If you post things that are just patently wrong, consistently, what would you have me call YOU?"

Thanks, but I have no need of YOUR approval of my "credibility".

As far as "the last word" is concerned...

Q.E.D. :D
 
Re: In the Interests of Accuracy...

SirRoxalot said:
Todd Storz invented "Top 40" in the '50s, initially as a cut-down version of the "Top 100" countdowns that were popular. The Storz presentation had long jingles, lots of production elements, fast-talking jocks, lots of bits, SFX, and all the other "classic" Top 40 elements.

Storz and his OM / PD created Top 40 out of the true and anecdotal experience of watching people play the same songs over and over on a coffee shop jukebox. The countdowns were not the inspiration... as Storz himself told me just before his death when he took the time to help a 17-year-old who was about to launch the first Top 40 station in an entire continent.

The new format, on daytimer KOWH (660, 500 watts) in Omaha debuted in August of '52 taking advantage of the fact that the AFM issues for independent music stations had been resolved with Petrillo's own internal issues at the root cause.

McLendon, Drake,

The two were separated by about a decade, you know.

and their imitators cut down the elements and simplified the Top 40 presentation with much shorter jingles, fewer elements, shorter rotations,

Actually, Drake was among the first to add gold to extend rotations.

and a lot less input from the jocks.

That is called "stationality" and gives consistency. It's a good thing. Jocks are hired to jock, not to program.

I grew up in Buffalo, where McLendon's WYSL teapot attacked Jeff Kaye's blow torch WKBW with the slogan "More Music, Less Yak" - complete with billboards depicting a yak.

That was done specifically for the Buffalo battle. KLIF was an inspiring personality station, as were KELP, KTSA, KILT. McLendon used different formats in every location, down to the famous KADS in LA, an all classifieds FM.

I saw - and heard - the same approach at other stations in other markets around the country while I was coming up in the business. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. If the competition panicked, or didn't have the promotional wherewithal to combat the "new guys", McLendon et al would win - at least temporarily. It was far from the certainty that you make it out to be.

It all came down to the mix of best music (the winners usually researched even then), tight presentation, good signal and good promotion. Same today.

I've been accused of advocating "1000 song playlists". Find a reference that supports that, please. I've never advocated huge playlists, but it's painfully obvious that the 200 - 300 song rotations in use today are driving people to other entertainment media in search of some variety.

Since only AC's use the 300 or so song lists among adult formats, your criticism is off base. Country stations are in the 600 to 650 song range, on the average. Classic rock 450 to 650, etc. CHR is in the 100 to 120 song range. Each range is determined by how many songs are broadly acceptable to those who like that particular kind or genre of music. You will find that an AC that does 500 songs is playing 200 stiffs, and dies a very band and ugly death.

I've also advocated more freedom for local talent to perform.

That's like making a movie without a director. We all should know by this time that if we see a bad movie with one of our favorite actors, it's the director to blame. Talent needs direction and feedback, not self-direction.

I'm not talking about minutes-long gabfests, but more live input over intros (ah, brevity!), tailored to the market and the moment, and fewer pre-produced liners and promos delivering the same tired positioning statements in the same tired manor 6 times an hour.

That is called "branding" and is essential in the crowded radio environment of today. And some formats do not even need announcers of jocks.

So, "David", I ask you, "If you post things that are just patently wrong, consistently, what would you have me call YOU?" Thanks, but I have no need of YOUR approval of my "credibility".

You have no credibility at all with me, as you could be a wannabee spitting out things they have learned by reading other posts.
 
SirRoxalot said:
What? You forgot to respond to the "Q.E.D." part? :D

The truth on your part is not complete, so Q. E. D. does not even apply.
 
Would Drake have syndicated KHJ to 30 markets? The likely answer is yes. Ever heard of "Hit Parade" or "Solid Gold"? Drake (and partner Gene Chenault) were heavily into broadcast syndication and automated formats. If the technology had existed then, I wouldn't have doubted at all that there would have been a satellite version of what KHJ, CKLW, etc were doing for smaller markets (the majors would still have more than likely have been programmed locally but you will notice these stations had many of the same elements.

You're aware that in much of the "ee-vil research" listeners don't even like jocks talking over intros? What about formats that never had jingles. You're going to jingle up a classic or alternative rocker?
 
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You're aware that in much of the "ee-vil research" listeners don't even like jocks talking over intros? What about formats that never had jingles. You're going to jingle up a classic or alternative rocker?

Gr8, are you purposely obtuse? If you're referring to something I've said, please reference it. I've never advocated jingles per se. In fact, I've advocated fewer pre-produced elements and more live (and flexible) input. That doesn't mean long rants, that means more opportunities to entertain with content more meaningful to the listener. In a CHR/Hot AC/AC format, that would be over intros. In classic/alt rockers, not likely (although there are some stations who do that successfully).

Listeners don't like jocks saying the same liners over and over. If they're adding something of value, enhancing the listening experience, people actually listen longer, and listen to songs that they're less familiar with because they've been set up well by the jock.

Not everything is "all or nothing". Several of you take an idea and marginalize it by carrying the idea to some absurd extreme, then denigrate the original thought as "wrong" because you could find a way to make it wrong (i.e. "thousand song playlist").

The bottom line is that many people - listeners, stockholders, people in the business, people outside the business - perceive radio as "broken". The only people who think that radio is "great" are the people raking in big salaries trying to sell that idea to stockholders, directors, ad agencies, and potential customers. The continued decline in revenue and stock prices shows that they ain't buyin' what you're sellin', and that radio needs to change. What worked in the past was a personal - if one way - relationship with the listener. As that relationship has faded, so has interest in radio.

OK, I believe that puts a coda on my thoughts. Rant away. Depersonalize radio even further. The sooner that you blow up your own companies, the sooner that radio stations will become affordable for broadcasters who "get it".
 
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