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Paying: The Other Side Of The "Coin"

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I know how much some of you are against paying. I never sell airchecks either.

Last night, I needed something recorded from an internet stream and I could not do it. I sent an email to someone who is banned from this board offering to pay for an aircheck. He recorded the show for me and had me pay through Paypal in advance. I did not like having to pay, but I knew I would get my aircheck if I paid the price and he did record for me.

Sometimes if one of us wants an aircheck recorded badly enough, we just have to go to the guys who demand money for them, but we know that we will have the aircheck for the right price.

I am a Capitalist and it is nice to get the "system" working for me, even if I have to pay too much for it. I guess it was not too much, since I was willing to pay, but I will only pay if I really want a recording badly enough.<P ID="signature">______________
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I agree with you 100%. When I was a new trader, I was very much against charging for an aircheck. Then I got laid off, money was tight, and I knew that I wasn't going to be able to afford doing it for free. So, I was left with 2 choices, no trading, or asking for some money. For those who really, really wanted my airchecks, they paid a nominal fee.

This had a second, non-intended effect. Up until then, I was getting hit with up to 6 requests per week (of at least 4 tapes per) = 24 tapes per week. I truly was feeling overwhelmed, but didn't want just stop trading, I know that I have airchecks that others really wanted. Doing this severely reduced the number of requests that I were getting. --- And it freed up time for the people who REALLY wanted my airchecks.

I'm pretty sure I know who you got this aircheck from and if so, I know that money is tight for him. So, I can sympathize with him looking to make a few extra dollars to put some food on his table. [ps. I don't believe he was banned for selling airchecks, but banned for spamming/advertising].

Yes, it would be nice if everything were free. But so would be free meals, free housing, free vacations... If you don't like it, no one is forcing anyone to pay.
 
> I agree with you 100%. When I was a new trader, I was very
> much against charging for an aircheck. Then I got laid off,
> money was tight, and I knew that I wasn't going to be able
> to afford doing it for free. So, I was left with 2 choices,
> no trading, or asking for some money. For those who really,
> really wanted my airchecks, they paid a nominal fee.
>
> This had a second, non-intended effect. Up until then, I
> was getting hit with up to 6 requests per week (of at least
> 4 tapes per) = 24 tapes per week. I truly was feeling
> overwhelmed, but didn't want just stop trading, I know that
> I have airchecks that others really wanted. Doing this
> severely reduced the number of requests that I were getting.
> --- And it freed up time for the people who REALLY wanted
> my airchecks.
>
> I'm pretty sure I know who you got this aircheck from and if
> so, I know that money is tight for him. So, I can
> sympathize with him looking to make a few extra dollars to
> put some food on his table. [ps. I don't believe he was
> banned for selling airchecks, but banned for
> spamming/advertising].
>
> Yes, it would be nice if everything were free. But so would
> be free meals, free housing, free vacations... If you don't
> like it, no one is forcing anyone to pay.
>

I don't have a problem paying for airchecks if I can't get them anywhere else.
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Ok, my two cents worth...I too am sure who Steven bought the airchecks from, and I did one trade with him, and would never do one again. I am not such a stickler for time, but he wanted to do minute for minute. Plus, I asked him to do me a favor and record something because I wasn't going to be home, he wanted to charge me, even after I offered to send tapes.

I sell airchecks to people who have nothing to trade, and have no interest in recording some of their local stations for me. I rarely sell airchecks to other traders/collectors, as they usually have something I want. By selling airchecks, it pays for my site, tapes, CD's and postage. It allows me to continue trading with everyone else. As I've stated before I will NEVER charge a jock for his own aircheck. For example, Mike Wade, formerly of 99X contacted me and asked for all the airchecks I had of him. I had them all stored on my computer already, so I used YSI and my server and had him download them. It cost me nothing, and I did a favor for someone.

Before anyone trys to buy an aircheck, contact someone on this board; I guarantee someone will have it, or will do it for you, and you can repay the favor at a later time. (off the pedestal now)<P ID="signature">______________

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I do agree with you here Matt... I have had a couple of jocks, and even the granddaughter of Ed Stokes (WMGM 1959) contact me, and they get the airchecks for free.

BTW, off topic, she asked if I had any info on Ed, but I didn't. Do you or anyone else? I'm sure she'd love any info.

It's sort of weird that you had that situation with "D" because I've traded with him for almost 10 years without issue. But, I started long before he decided to sell them, so maybe that has something to do with it. I had a lot of stuff he wanted -- but there's no question that you have a lot that he would want too. Once he did start selling them, I was approached once and told him that I wasn't interested in buying them, and he never asked again.

But yes, if they are willing to look, they will find that most of the airchecks we have are shared and that someone else will be willing to do the aircheck for free. In fact, I suggested that to people back in my "dark days". But... you'd be surprised of how many of them don't want to.

As for Steven's request specifically. If I were home and asked, I would have gladly recorded the stream for you Steven. For free.
 
I have a note below about a video I was offering to everyone.
Is it wrong for me to ask a few dollars for it?

Mostly -- it goes to buying blank DVDs and postage.
Some of it will go back to the amount I had to pay to
get it.
 
> I have a note below about a video I was offering to
> everyone.
> Is it wrong for me to ask a few dollars for it?
>
> Mostly -- it goes to buying blank DVDs and postage.
> Some of it will go back to the amount I had to pay to
> get it.
>
Pat, there is a big difference between what you are doing and the person Steven was talking about. You paid for your video, and blank DVD's are not as cheap as blank CD's, and they do take longer to copy. You didn't mention how much you were going to charge for it...I think a fair price is $5 a copy, unless you want to make a trade with someone for other stuff you may want. You are being upfront about wanting to sell it just to recoup some of your expenses, which is certainly fair, and you know I want a copy. Thanks! Matt<P ID="signature">______________

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> >
> Pat, there is a big difference between what you are doing
> and the person Steven was talking about. You paid for your
> video, and blank DVD's are not as cheap as blank CD's, and
> they do take longer to copy. You didn't mention how much you
> were going to charge for it...I think a fair price is $5 a
> copy, unless you want to make a trade with someone for other
> stuff you may want. You are being upfront about wanting to
> sell it just to recoup some of your expenses, which is
> certainly fair, and you know I want a copy. Thanks! Matt
>

Okay -- didn't want to be out of line here.
Hey -- check your e-mail, I sent you a note.
 
A Few Thoughts Against Selling

Before I was an airchecker, I was first a huge fan of bootleg music: concerts and studio outtakes, particularly of the Beatles. Within the bootlegging community, selling is a little more frowned upon.

Probably the main reason this is so is because any profiting on these recordings inevitably draws the attention of the RIAA, which often leads to "professional bootleggers," ie sources of the material being closed down. I don't think thats an issue with airchecks. But even trader-to-trader selling is strongly discouraged. Why? Well, bootleggers see themselves as part of a unique, relatively small community and enjoy the chance to share what they have with others. Also - and this varies between people - but I think there's a sense that its really not fair to profit off of others work. If I'm selling beatles bootlegs, presumably I'm not sending royalties to Apple Corp, and that doesn't seem right. (Yes, I know Paul and Ringo are very well off without doing so.)

TECHNICALLY, is it not against the law to sell recordings of music for profit when you're not liscensed to and not paying royalties? Its illegal to download copies of songs, but okay to charge money for those same songs, as long as they are part of an aircheck?

Note, I've bought a few airchecks myself, to get my collection up and going, and then through ebay when the price was right. I'm sure everyone does it, and its not the end of the world. Whatever you want to do is fine with me, and if someone is selling and you don't want to buy, don't buy. That's what I do. (Or, rather, don't do.)

Just wanted to present an arguement against the practice.

PS Charging $2 per disc to cover blanks and postage, while probably in the same category of legality, bothers my sense of fairness much less than selling for $15 per disc. (And yes, I understand that you may value the time it takes to burn a cd at $13.)
 
Thanks Matt.

Steven


> Before anyone trys to buy an aircheck, contact someone on
> this board; I guarantee someone will have it, or will do it
> for you, and you can repay the favor at a later time. (off
> the pedestal now)
>
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