Philadelphia now 7th biggest Arby Market

[fred flintstone]

There is a thread currently underway on the New York board on this site, Allan Sniffen is cracking up. As irrational and arbitrary as "Dr." Sniffen's moderating may be over on "The Mecca of all radio message boards (his use of the capital of theocratic monarchy to describe his board is appropriate), it is mild compared to the iron-fisted, politically-motivated command practices of McCleary/Tilde and Gary/Surf.

Not only does Gary "chop" things, so does McCleary/Tilde and apparently all the others in their right-wing circle who have been designated as "moderators." The self-righteous members of this club post vicious insults and personal attacks themselves but "chop" even the mildest statements of disagreement from others.

I notice very little activity over on that board lately, far less even than Lance's board. And it looks like some of the inner circle a skulking back over here.

I can see why you would accept Gary's offer originally but your program suffers from its association with with that board and its moderators.

 

[Kyle D]

I disagree Fred. Our forums over there are pretty much left to us.

I also don't think that our show forum being over there hurts the show in the least. Just because you don't like how the board is moderated, and I don't mean any offense, doesn't really amount to a hill of beans. It also has nothing to do with our show. It's just a place for listeners to go and post their thoughts about the show, guests we have, etc.

All of the area boards are important to our show, which is why we have a presence on all of them.

 

[fred flintstone]

Hill of Beans

I disagree Fred. Our forums over there are pretty much left to us.

I also don't think that our show forum being over there hurts the show in the least. Just because you don't like how the board is moderated, and I don't mean any offense, doesn't really amount to a hill of beans. It also has nothing to do with our show. It's just a place for listeners to go and post their thoughts about the show, guests we have, etc.

All of the area boards are important to our show, which is why we have a presence on all of them.

Sorry, Kyle. McCleary/Tilde is listed on your website (apart from the board) as part of the show's production team. McCleary/Tilde is listed as a "moderator" on the portion of Surf's site dedicated to your show. Listeners posting their thoughts are subject to McCleary/Tilde's deletions and attacks. McCleary/Tilde was a guest-host on the show (and got drunk on the air). The board seems to have a great deal to do with your show.

But in this business, perception is reality. To the extent the show is seen (rightly or wrongly) as associated with Tilde/McCleary and a dogmatic board with high-handed moderators and personal attacks on those with whom the moderators disagree, the show is seen as having the same qualities. And given the amount of air-time devoted to Brusstar's feuds with various people, that perception may not be completely off the mark.

You guys could set up an independent forum on EZ Board or another, similar site and be completely divorced from Surf's board and from McCleary/Tilde and his venom if that's what you wanted to do. There is no need and no reason to continue an association with them - unless Brusstar supports and condones what they do.

 

[odomski]

Fred: the EZBoard suggestion is a good idea. Perhaps they should no longer associate themselves with the Fillie Tawk board...if Surf wishes to gain contributors again, without fear of being viciously attacked by Tilde and the Cronies, deleted, and/or banned. However, do we really need another EZBoard version of the old Kylefree and Red & Nater boards, which featured slanderous posts from the people in question anyway...posts/libel/slander directed towards you and I? I feel we can do without another puke-filled slander fest, operated by the likes of Tilde and his Bitch Boys.

I used to read the Fillie Tawk board quite often before the Radio Bucket came along. Comments I made on there got deleted quite often (because Tilde disagreed with what I would say). This happened way before the unmoderated boards came along as well. I stopped contributing, because they kept bashing me and saying I was "a problem contributor and an annoyance." Screw 'em. They all deserve each other. I feel bad for Kyle for being associated with such childish activity, because he seems to be the only level headed one in the whole bunch.

 

[Kyle D]

To the extent the show is seen (rightly or wrongly) as associated with Tilde/McCleary and a dogmatic board with high-handed moderators and personal attacks on those with whom the moderators disagree, the show is seen as having the same qualities.

This is where I feel you're incorrect Fred. The above statement is the way YOU perceive things, because you don't like Tilde. I don't think a vast majority of our listeners even know who he is. He was only a part of two different shows, one in studio and another he called in to.

Scott has chosen to no longer be associated with the show (his decision, nor ours), so I think your claims are even less viable. I happen to like Scott, and I wish him the best.

As for Scott still being on our website, that's George's department, and he hasn't gotten around to removing him yet.

There is no need and no reason to continue an association with them - unless Brusstar supports and condones what they do.

Gary offered us room on his server to host our forums. Our forums are totally separate from the one's that existed there before our show did. George isn't condoning anything, he's thankful that Gary thinks enough of us to give us some space for people to chat about the show. Again Fred, I think this is your biased outlook because of your problems with Gary & Scott in the past.

However, do we really need another EZBoard version of the old Kylefree and Red & Nater boards, which featured slanderous posts from the people in question anyway...posts/libel/slander directed towards you and I?

I'd really like to see your proof on the above statement Shawn.

Why do you continuously bring up those boards? They haven't been around for a long time now. People would probably forget about those posts if you would stop talking about them...

the Radio Bucket

You couldn't come up with a better name than that??? We're disappointed in you Shawn.

I feel bad for Kyle for being associated with such childish activity, because he seems to be the only level headed one in the whole bunch.

While I appreciate your sentiments Shawn, they're really not necessary.

I'm very proud to be a part of The Radio Racket, and I think the show is getting better every week. Listenership is going up all the time, so we must be doing somethings right.

We really do appreciate all of the comments, because it's always good to know what people are thinking. If everyone agreed with us and loved everything about us, it would mean that something wasn't right. Much has happened since we started this thing 21 weeks ago (or whatever the number is), and the great thing is that we don't know what's going to happen next.

 

[fred flintstone]

Bias is in the Eye of the Beholder

Kyle,

Of course, you guys should make decision about your show and message board as you think best.

However, you say....

I happen to like Scott, and I wish him the best.

And....

Again Fred, I think this is your biased outlook because of your problems with Gary & Scott in the past.

With all due respect, everyone's opinions are shaped by their experiences. I've had "problems" with Tilde/McCleary and you say I am "biased." You "like" him but you apparently believe you are not biased. Either we are both "biased" or we are both drawing conclusions based (among other things) on our respective experiences.

You have not disputed or tried to refute my comments about Tilde/McCleary's moderating, his posts and his conduct on various boards, or the general operation of the PhillyTalk board. You like the guy personally and maybe you overlook or condone his abuses. Gary/Surf likes him, and maybe has other things to do these days, and lets him have free reign to continue his abusive behavior (as poster and moderator) on that board.

And your show has, in various ways, associated itself with PhillyTalk and with Tilde/McCleary. Both have been mentioned frequently on your broadcast. Even an occasional listener to the program would have to be aware of them. However, if these listeners don't attempt to post on that board - or don't post anything Tilde/McCleary doesn't like - they may not experience his nasty personal attacks or heavy-handed censorship tactics.

And part of the similarity between the board and the show is Radio Racket also has its insiders and outsiders. Friends of George receive praise, flattery and approval (warranted or not), and are allowed to call in and talk at length about nothing. However, some not in the club are subject to extended campaigns of personal attack and ridicule (based on some past disagreement or perceived slight). A pronounced double standard is present in both venues.

 

[Kyle D]

You like the guy personally and maybe you overlook or condone his abuses.

Again Fred, no one on our show is condoning anything. Just because I like somebody doesn't mean I like and support everything they do. I've known Scott for a couple of years now, and he's a good guy. That aside, I haven't spoken with him in months, and don't know if I ever will again. That's up to him.

What you call abuses, others probably don't see as such. It's immaterial anyway. I've never met Gary, but he's always been nice to me (when I worked with Rollye and now with the Radio Racket). He's been running a board for years. He graciously offered us forums on his board. We accepted. It's that simple. If you want to look further into that and draw other conclusions and say that we are aligned, then so be it. I'm not going to change your mind.

And your show has, in various ways, associated itself with PhillyTalk and with Tilde/McCleary. Both have been mentioned frequently on your broadcast. Even an occasional listener to the program would have to be aware of them.

We mention all of the various boards all the time Fred. Again, if you want to see it as an official association, that's your right. I don't see how it really matter to a majority of the folks out there listening. Message boards are a lot like talk radio. The stat you always hear is that only 1% of the audience will ever call a show to get on the air. I think message boards are the same. If someone isn't posting than they can't be subject to "heavey-handed moderating/deletions", and therefore, probably don't agree with you, and more than likely, don't really care. It's not going to effect the show one way or another, in my opionion.

And part of the similarity between the board and the show is Radio Racket also has its insiders and outsiders. Friends of George receive praise, flattery and approval (warranted or not), and are allowed to call in and talk at length about nothing. However, some not in the club are subject to extended campaigns of personal attack and ridicule (based on some past disagreement or perceived slight). A pronounced double standard is present in both venues.

That Fred, is entertainment. That's how talk radio works. Most shows have friends, or regulars. Most shows also have folks they don't get along with. All that are part of that later group on our show are always welcome to call in to refute anything, or apologize, possbily again becoming a part of the "friends" list.

 

[fred flintstone]

Kyle, I appreciate your willingness to interact on this topic.

Merriam-Webster:

Condone: (transitive verb) To regard or treat (something bad or blameworthy) as acceptable, forgivable, or harmless.

"Silence implies consent."

Or to paraphrase Martin Niemoller's famous poem:
First he abused someone who posted a different viewpoint.
I remained silent;
He did not abuse me.

That Fred, is entertainment. That's how talk radio works.

Not all talk radio works this way. And a good many people do not find abuse, attack and arguments entertaining. I don't enjoy listening when George continues to rag on RJ, Rob or anyone else for weeks at a time following a disagreement, or to play highly edited sound bites intended to embarrass or humiliate a past caller. I am not comfortable hearing (admittedly clever) song parodies (from a member of the PhillyTalk moderating circle), the purpose of which appears to be to subject someone outside the club to gratuitous humiliation. Neither does such treatment to others encourage me to call in and subject myself to the possibility of such treatment.

Of course, that's me. Others may differ (or may not).

 

[jeffryan]

...you will openly say something "sucks" when it's totally against your opinon...You dislike anyone that has an opinion that's the total opposite of yours. :

I do? I didn't realize that Arby's was such a hot button issue. Pardon me.

 

[Frasier]

What you call abuses, others probably don't see as such. It's immaterial anyway. I've never met Gary, but he's always been nice to me (when I worked with Rollye and now with the Radio Racket). He's been running a board for years. He graciously offered us forums on his board. We accepted. It's that simple. If you want to look further into that and draw other conclusions and say that we are aligned, then so be it. I'm not going to change your mind.

Oh, go watch some hockey.

 

[Kyle D]

Merriam-Webster:

Quote
Condone: (transitive verb) To regard or treat (something bad or blameworthy) as acceptable, forgivable, or harmless.

"Silence implies consent."

For it to fit the definition Fred, something bad or blameworthy needed to happen in the first place. I don't think having a post edited or deleted is heinous enough to fall under this definition. When it comes down to it Fred, just don't post there. There are millions of message boards on the internet. Find some where these things don't happen to you.

In this case, I'd say,

"Silence implies diplomacy"

I don't enjoy listening when George continues to rag on RJ, Rob or anyone else for weeks at a time following a disagreement, or to play highly edited sound bites intended to embarrass or humiliate a past caller.

We haven't talked about Rob in months, nor will we.

You're the only one not enjoying the RJ stuff. RJ is the definition of funny.

Highly edited sound bites? Come on Fred, you worked in radio news. It's a sound bite world. RJ is as much a part of this feud as we are. I think you're going a little too far saying we're trying to embarrass or humiliate anyone. We think the bites are funny. Please don't bring up the old "taken out of context" excuse. You heard the call.

I am not comfortable hearing (admittedly clever) song parodies (from a member of the PhillyTalk moderating circle), the purpose of which appears to be to subject someone outside the club to gratuitous humiliation.

Gratuitous humiliation??? Please Fred.

There is no "club". Our show talks about the radio business, and all things related to it, ie - message boards. Everyone who takes part "in the business" is subject to a mention. The songs are harmless and fun. If it makes you feel better, Steve is working on one that has the show's principle's as the subject.

Neither does such treatment to others encourage me to call in and subject myself to the possibility of such treatment.

I'm sorry you feel that way Fred. We'd love to hear from you. You're a poster that we happen to like, whether we agree with you or not. The fact that you are able to construct a sentence, let alone a coherent discussion or argument, makes you a rare breed.

I think the only sound we're using other than RJ, is Shot Stephens' famous quote from 6 or 7 years ago. Like any show, any call to the program could be used at a later time.

Kyle, I appreciate your willingness to interact on this topic.

No problem Fred. I like the banter, and it's always good to hear constructive criticism from a respected source.

Oh, go watch some hockey.

??? Please expound Frasier...

 

[fred flintstone]

Kyle...

In reading your reply I was reminded that Fatso once asked me about talk show hosts I admired. I told him Michael Jackson. I guess that's how my own taste and preference runs. I keep seeing talk radio ratings are slipping, so maybe that style will make a comeback.

mc