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Philadelphia radio ratings: March 2015

RFF is always top 5 18-34 18-49 and 25-54, yet they don't make any money? I don't understand this outdated silly mentality that this is some hipster station where the listeners don't drive cars, grow their own food, and only wear cloths from small dealers on ebay.

This is a mass appeal radio station, outside of morning drive they should be getting comparable dollars for spots that mmr gets, no reason not to.
 
This is a mass appeal radio station, outside of morning drive they should be getting comparable dollars for spots that mmr gets, no reason not to.

Who would you suggest advertise? And would additional advertising alienate the audience?
 
rff has the niche for non-meathead current rock music in Philly so I don't think that they would not be able to run just as many spots per hour as everyone else does. The rates should reflect the demos that this station brings in, there are lot's of young people with disposable income listening to this station so if I ran a car dealership this would be a must by. The hipster occupy wallstreet image of the rff listener is completely off base. Those idiots might listen to a little npr but if their favorite band was played on a commercial radio station well then they would no longer be their favorite band, they would've "sold out" and said hipster granola freak would burn their posters and t-shirts, and delete their music from their streaming service and itnues playlists. Real people are listening to rff, it is a mass appeal radio station and as such with some of the best demos in the city, they should be making just as much money as the top tier players.
 
rff has the niche for non-meathead current rock music in Philly so I don't think that they would not be able to run just as many spots per hour as everyone else does. The rates should reflect the demos that this station brings in, there are lot's of young people with disposable income listening to this station so if I ran a car dealership this would be a must by. The hipster occupy wallstreet image of the rff listener is completely off base. Those idiots might listen to a little npr but if their favorite band was played on a commercial radio station well then they would no longer be their favorite band, they would've "sold out" and said hipster granola freak would burn their posters and t-shirts, and delete their music from their streaming service and itnues playlists. Real people are listening to rff, it is a mass appeal radio station and as such with some of the best demos in the city, they should be making just as much money as the top tier players.

Whatever the reasons, WRFF's billing has declined over the last two years. It has the worst major-rated station power ratio (0.32) in the market and fulfills the non-heritage alternative rock station image of being where bail bonds companies flock to advertise.

In contrast, WBEB which has much better demos has a power ratio of nearly 1.1 and out bills WRFF by a factor of nearly 6.

Direct accounts obviously don't like the kind of response or the kind of customer that a campaign on WRFF brings in. Agency accounts, when looking for primarily males audiences, go to sports first and classic rock second. That is why WMMR has a power ratio of 1.3 and bills almost as much as WBEB... again, about six times more than WRFF.
 
At some point, the revenue situation will make the station vulnerable within the cluster, regardless of the ratings.

Except for heritage stations like KROQ, it seems that alternative is not an easy format to sell. iHeart's Atlanta alternative seems to be in the same dire billing straits with a dreadful power ratio.
 
Compared to a lot of talk stations, WPHT is very well programmed. It has a little bit of everything, and has the local talk that people here claim to want. Plus, as has been pointed out, they make tones of money.

I disagree. The station is poorly programmed and poorly run. Its not a general talk station like WABC, WLS, KFI, WBZ, KDKA, etc. Which we desperately need in Philly, not conservative republican political talk that's on 1210 WPHT right now. The Phillies, other sports and the paid programs are carrying the station in revenue and ratings, not the talk shows, period. That's not good when your local talk shows are not doing great in the ratings. You need your local talk programs and sports to carry a news/talk radio station. That's why I've been saying for over a year now, change the format on 1210 AM to a format that will better fit with the Phillies and Temple football and basketball games, like sports for example, or move KYW to 1210 AM or sell it. I know you guys will disagree with me on this, but I'm standing my ground about this topic. I just want 1210 AM to be successful and relevant again.
 
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The more we beat the hell out of the KYW, WPHT, WOGL, and WRFF discussions, one thing is becoming apparent. All of these stations seem likely to sound the most different in three to five years for various reasons.

1) KYW and WOGL, though highly billing stations, are watching their core audience get older as they continue to avoid gradually changing with the times. I wish I knew what the answer was with KYW, but it's clear with WOGL, much of the 60s music, regardless of genre, has to be phased out over time, and the station needs to sound more like WCBS-FM, WOMC, and KRTH.

2) WPHT is likely to change without any change of format. Again, to remain with conservative talk, it needs to remain relevant to a wide audience. That would indicate at least the possibility of new syndicated voices.

3) WRFF is doing all the right things with the current format, especially avoiding the niche, alt-rock fanatic approach to the playlist. The "occupy" comment doesn't represent this audience at all. It may be an audience that needs to be less male and younger for the format to survive. The tattoo parlor/DUI lawyer/paternity test/bail bondsman advertiser list isn't quite fair here either, and frankly seems more applicable to active rock. But who should want to reach the alt-rock audience, and how do you make success more likely? Whatever it is probably has little to do with what Y100 once was.
 
Christ.

This is probably as good/relevant as it is going to be. It is successful enough, it is making money. Stop living in the 80s/early 90s.
 
Are we still counting how many times Jul says "This is the last time I'll talk about WPHT" and a minute starts complaining about WPHT?
 
Why Mix 106 continues failing? It seems to be a nice station with decent power but looking at the arbitron numbers it's way behind other competitors...
 
Why Mix 106 continues failing? It seems to be a nice station with decent power but looking at the arbitron numbers it's way behind other competitors...

Based on sales numbers, Mix 106 is hardly failing. Plus with middays voicetracked and afternoons satellite fed, it's run fairly cheaply. But Mix 106 makes a nice buck.
 
Are we still counting how many times Jul says "This is the last time I'll talk about WPHT" and a minute starts complaining about WPHT?

You guys are right. Time for me to stop talking about and listening to this radio station.
 
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